ImperialChaos
President
Oh I know, which is why I said it doesn't mean anything. Although, an awesome idea for a horse UU would be the ability to mount/dismount. Dismounting would make the unit no longer vulnerable to pikemen, etc.
Axeman Speculation
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Oh I know, which is why I said it doesn't mean anything. Although, an awesome idea for a horse UU would be the ability to mount/dismount. Dismounting would make the unit no longer vulnerable to pikemen, etc.
cybrxkhan
Asian Xwedodah
That would actually be really cool. I dunno why it's never been used before - there's plenty of UUs in the game that could've used an ability like that, such as the samurai (which would be way better than their generally ahistorical, stereotypical portrayal as foot soldiers).
Irkalla
ENTP POWWWEEEEEER
I personally think that we're looking at barbarians being expanded upon. No more barbarians in the renaissance or modern eras!
Probably fleshed out barbarians into themes, like Barbarians, "Injuns," Terrorists, Raiders, Bandits, Brigands, Partisans, Marauders, Outlaws, Pirates; that sort of thing.
"Your tile has been pillaged by a marauding Marauder!"
Perhaps barbarians change depending on the continent, too? Maybe the barbarian unit seen here was spawned from a camp in an American map area? Maybe if they spawn on an island or coast, we get Pirates?
Barbarian pass would be amazing for immersion.
Probably fleshed out barbarians into themes, like Barbarians, "Injuns," Terrorists, Raiders, Bandits, Brigands, Partisans, Marauders, Outlaws, Pirates; that sort of thing.
"Your tile has been pillaged by a marauding Marauder!"
Perhaps barbarians change depending on the continent, too? Maybe the barbarian unit seen here was spawned from a camp in an American map area? Maybe if they spawn on an island or coast, we get Pirates?
Barbarian pass would be amazing for immersion.
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This may just be a dumb idea, but...
Are we sure that the Tomahawk's colors are black and red? I just had an Ethiopian Caravel buzz by one of my cities and had a heart attack. Ethiopia's colors are really close to a Barbarian. Maybe someone who knows that color comparison method that figured out the wikivenetian purple could take a look?
I was just thinking that maybe the civ's colors are as close to a barbarian's as Ethiopia's are, or that the Tomahawk is in Ethiopia's colors as if it came from a militaristic city-state or something.
Are we sure that the Tomahawk's colors are black and red? I just had an Ethiopian Caravel buzz by one of my cities and had a heart attack. Ethiopia's colors are really close to a Barbarian. Maybe someone who knows that color comparison method that figured out the wikivenetian purple could take a look?
I was just thinking that maybe the civ's colors are as close to a barbarian's as Ethiopia's are, or that the Tomahawk is in Ethiopia's colors as if it came from a militaristic city-state or something.
God of Kings
Ruler of all heads of state
Menzies, can you help us determine how close Ethiopia's colours are to the barbarians' colour.
It's not even close.
The data is in HSB format (Hue, Saturation, Brightness) rather than RGB, but you can clearly see that the red is different and the barbarian secondary color is black, whereas the Ethiopian secondary color is green.
The data is in HSB format (Hue, Saturation, Brightness) rather than RGB, but you can clearly see that the red is different and the barbarian secondary color is black, whereas the Ethiopian secondary color is green.
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A civ that can disguise units as barb as an UA ain t stupid.
1. You know it s this civ....then what ? you can declare war but then you get the warmonger penalty as well as the consecquences of any defensive pacts.
2. If you are the barbciv , you can go the AI pillage n stuff without diplo modifiers
3. In MP , well you can be subtle and only send warriors , pikes , plausible units that can pass for barbs, enter territory from right angle , etc ....Even if it turns out to be not so good in MP,you just won t play the civ (I guess sweeden s UA about GP is not much used in MP for instance, same with dutch UA). MP is a territory were balance is always different.
1. You know it s this civ....then what ? you can declare war but then you get the warmonger penalty as well as the consecquences of any defensive pacts.
2. If you are the barbciv , you can go the AI pillage n stuff without diplo modifiers
3. In MP , well you can be subtle and only send warriors , pikes , plausible units that can pass for barbs, enter territory from right angle , etc ....Even if it turns out to be not so good in MP,you just won t play the civ (I guess sweeden s UA about GP is not much used in MP for instance, same with dutch UA). MP is a territory were balance is always different.
So in other words... horrible, and I don't even play MP. The AI would never figure out who is who and will attack indiscriminately . And even if you don't want to declare war against the suspecting AI of this civ, attacking with barbs would be so inefficient when the rest of the world is also targeting those units. For pillaging, it's just another mechanic the human player will abuse.
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I prefer a theory where a civ's units can create barbarian copies of itself rather than appear as barbarians.
stealth_nsk
Deity
Or you could just sell units to barbarians. This looks the most logical. And it really adds some funny strategies.
King William I
King
It could be a civ with the ability to disguise its units to where they look like they come from anywhere. That would be a whole nother hypercube
Bakspatel
Prince
Oh no, that would be madness. Imagine armies of Naresaun elephants pillaging your lands.
Hakan-i Cihan
Emperor
I was thinking of a promotion called something like "Raider" which shows the unit as a barbarian to other civs. If such a unit is killed inside a civs border that civ has 50% chance to uncover to which civ this units belong. Or if the unit attacks another civs unit and get killed that civ has 50% chance to uncover to which civ this units belong. If uncovered that civ declares immediate war without penalty. This would be especially fun with the new trade route mechanic.
But now that I think about it, what should the reaction of real barbs be against that unit. Hmm.... So this will not work for UU's as they are very noticable.
And such a concept could explain the barb axeman... Another possible explanation which can be added to the others, highly unlikely though...
But now that I think about it, what should the reaction of real barbs be against that unit. Hmm.... So this will not work for UU's as they are very noticable.
And such a concept could explain the barb axeman... Another possible explanation which can be added to the others, highly unlikely though...
Good. Barbarians should be relevant through most of the early game. Barbarian uprisings baby. I would like to see their "camps" upgrade through the ages.
CivilianSam
Chieftain
Yeah, I'd really like to see some depth given to the barbarians.
Turn them into mercenaries starting in the medieval era, make it to where you can sign contracts with them and hire their armies to do stuff (instead of the current system where we purchase units out of thin air with gold)
Turn them into organized crime, drug traffickers, terrorists, arms dealers in late game. Until now I thought this was a pipe dream, this thread's giving me a little hope that they might have really done something cool with barbs
