BTS Roleplaying Challenge: Tokugawa

Sorry for being off topic, but I was wondering how you add notes to the map like that? Is it an in game feature? I mean the tags you have labelled as 'city'.

Thanks! I like these threads, I'm learning lots!
 
Sorry for being off topic, but I was wondering how you add notes to the map like that? Is it an in game feature? I mean the tags you have labelled as 'city'.

Thanks! I like these threads, I'm learning lots!

If you use the mouse wheel down, the map will zoom out and the little buttons above the minimap will change. These buttons allow you to view large-scale things like borders, religion, etc. The second button from the left lets you put signs and lines on the map. When you scroll back in, the signs/lines remain.
 
Was Kondo 'deleted' for 'maintenance reasons' or simply because I spoke a desire... :cry: Though that would make me the power behind the throne.... :mischief: Interesting.

Onto the game though...

The great lighthouse in Beijing would really help to bolster your economy. the +2 trade routes would basically make all your cities trade with all your cities. Yay for taxes!!!

That's about all I have to say... and to ask how you have ethnic units other than the UU. Is that a BtS addition, or some mods? Keep up the good work! :goodjob:

Kondo actually bought it from a barb archer. Hence the "piercing wound" in the falcon's wing.

The ethnic units come with BtS.

I would love to get the Great Lighthouse but I may be too late. The price you pay for early conquest.
 
Most impressive Master Tokugawa. Ridding the mainland island of the Chinese invaders was the appropriate thing to do.

I still suggest making a run at the great Lighthouse. If you miss it, the gold will help you keep the economy afloat a bit longer.
 
I could use some help with the economics at this point.

Toku has no economic/tech advantages. And it appears that we are isolated from the rest of the world until we discover Optics.

My preliminary plan is get scientist specialists going in most of the cities, settle the dye city and the gold island city, and cottage those cities that can't support specialists. I was thinking of making Kyoto a production city with Heroic Epic and Moai Statues, Beijing a science city, and the Dye city a wealth city.

I will need to get currency, code of laws, and monarchy up and running ASAP. I will also want Civil Service, Machinery, and Feudalism for military and civics. With nobody to trade with and my open borders restrictions, Compass/harbors won't be too helpful except for health, but it does lead to Optics/caravels.

Am I thinking straight here? Seems to me the RP rules require that I create all wealth/research the hard way -- by myself.
 
Caste System would help, let you run some Merchants. As will Mercantilism once you get there. I would leave Compass until you are ready to grab optics since Harbors won't help you a whole lot. See what religions you can found and spam to your own cities. It might also be a good game to build the Spiral Minaret. Confucianism and Taoism are most likely gettable, as is Islam.

Of course that is if any of it falls within the RP rules.
 
Round 3: Rising Sun: 395 BC to 1440 BC

frogs sing
sisters dance with dolls;
father gone

The boy regarded his haiku and frowned. When it dried, he carefully hid it under his sleeping mat.

Eleven-year-old Hiro Kondo picked up his wooden bokken and went to practice swordplay.


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The round was long and peaceful. The majority of our turns were spent trying to expand while simultaneously improving our beaker and commerce output. As you will see at the end, the frightful economic prospects improved and we are in a decent position to expand militarily.

The only way to kickstart the research was to put scientists in Kyoto, Tokyo, and Beijing: the cities with a good food surplus. I then determined to settle new cities with an eye towards commerce resources. All of the classical age civic/economic techs would need to be discovered quickly: Monarchy, Currency, Code of Laws, Calendar.

First, we settled Kagoshima to get the three dye tiles:



Next, we built a galley and settled the gold city:



A few more workers were built to improve the jungle areas of our main island. We still hadn't finished Calendar yet, and the slider was down to 10%. We were essentially researching on scientists alone.



You can also see we settled the northeastern island to grab the deer and have a presence there.

Things eventually got better. We learned Monarchy and Code of Laws and were able to have bigger cities with Hereditary Rule and Caste System for the SE. Beijing was soon able to run several scientists.

Currency was going to be online soon too. In the meantime, we settled another city on the home isle to get the spices:



Years passed, and one of the technological crown jewels was ours:



Tokugawa paced. His chamberlain nervously bowed.

"Lord, adding to your staff will allow us to specialize. Ministers of agriculture, of fishing, of trade. Each will focus. Kyoto will become efficient and productive."

The Shogun raised an eyebrow. "If you are incorrect, I will find a replacement."

"Hai!" the chamberlain uttered, bowing quicly and leaving.


Yes! Bureaucracy immediately became a hit, as Kyoto, already a nice production city, was able to make some serious hammers. And the chamberlain kept his head on his shoulders, for now anyway.

We pressed on to Machinery to enable Samurais and Crossbows. We also settled another island city, to get bronze and crabs:



My thinking here was to establish a presence in the islands and get new resources. I decided to leave the barbarian cities alone for now, as they are generally not worth capturing. When I razed one, it reappeared in a few turns.

Finally, we finished Machinery and were able to nab Optics. Exploration!

It was then that we met our closest neighbor to the west:



Now I know what you're thinking: we don't trade with gaijin. Under the RP rules, we don't have open borders with non-vassals. So while economic trades are off, tech trades are fine. Frankly, we really needed that one, too. It really helped us catch up.

There was another neighbor close, to our northwest:



On the other side of the world, on the northern end, was Shaka, who had little to offer us. To his south, from what I can tell, was Charlemagne:



I believe he will be our biggest threat.

Great person update: as you can imagine, quite a few Great Scientists appeared. We settled most of them in Kyoto and Beijing. While lightbulbing is powerful for certain strategies, I was terrified of falling behind on beaker output.

Wonder-wise, we missed most of the classical/early Medieval wonders. However, in Beijing we had completed the Mausoleum of Massallos, which improbably garnered us a Great Artist amongst all of the scientists there.

Mausoleum + Great Artist = Golden Age!



Turns out Charlemagne had expanded onto other islands and formed a new colony, headed by Friendly Freddie, who had some techs to trade:



I got a lot of mileage out of trading Philosophy. Since I wasn't beelining Liberalism or trying for Angkhor Wat, I decided to use it as trade bait.

Our island expansion was paying off too, in other ways:



The round was nearly ended when we landed this gem:



And we were the first one there, too:



For the capper, we picked up circumnavigation while sailing to the far side of the world.



Situation update to follow.
 
Round 3: Rising Sun: Part 2

It was time to ramp up our military. I started building samurai, crossbows, galleons, and catapults. We were researching Engineering for trebuchets and pikes.

Here's a map of Sumeria, our closest neighbor and the possessor of 2nd place in score:



Notice he does not have horses. I can't determine whether he has any other colonies away from his home island. At the worst, I'm facing longbows, crossbows, and macemen.

I am leaning heavily towards conquering Gilgamesh first.

Here's a partial map of Mongolia, to our northwest. I just passed by it with a caravel, but will swing by later for more thorough exploration:



Shaka's lands:



And here's an overview map of Japan and the neighbors to the west:



Here's the powergraph at the end of the round. Notice Japan is spiking: the samurai are starting to complete.



War: Taking out Gilgamesh (and grabbing a holy city) makes the most sense to me, but I'm open to suggestions. I currently have about 12 troops and 3 galleons. I want to hit Gilgamesh with about 30 troops and 5 galleons.

Exploration: I need to finish mapping the world and locate the last unknown civilization.

Research: I'm open to suggestions here. Shooting for Chemistry for Frigates is attractive.

Trade: should I try to trade Astronomy, even though I have a monopoly on it? We could grab a few more techs and be at the top by trading it, but I'm afraid that once I trade it, foreign cities will start appearing on my islands.

*EDIT* Freddie will give me this for Astronomy ...

 

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Between this game, my current game, and my last game I have realized how much a crutch the GL and Pyramids can be when it comes to research. Wtih Rep you get beakers from all of your Specialists meaning you can farm whatever points you want to farm. With the GL you get those 2 free scientists which pop you Great Scientists for Academies, Lightbulbing good techs, or to settle. That is a whole mess-o'-beakers to keep on teching.

I went up to Prince and got the GL but not the pyramids (Great Engineer) and got myself handed to me on a platter because I made some stupid decisions and was bass ackwards. Went back down to Noble with goldmonger Mansa and got neither wonders and I am not the tech leader, and have jsut now turned the tide in a war with Rome. Ah well, lesson learned... Caste System is there for a reason!!!

Now that I read your SotW post, I'd say hold onto Astronomy. Shaka looks like he can be left until later and if you give it to your potential targets they might jump to distant islands and be difficult to take all the way out. Or you could give it to them and Vassalize after taking their mainland. But I'd hold onto it for a while. That also means you won't have nasty navies to fight.
 
On Monarch difficulty, if you have a civ with no inherent economic advantages, you have got to get your economy going ASAP, even while your empire is small. If you don't watch it, you can conquer/expand yourself back into the Stone Age.

I like a SE for non-Financial civs, especially if I can find a few cities with a 2+ food resources. The SE gives you a measure of freedom from the tech slider, allowing you to conquer or settle more than you could comfortably do so while running a CE.

But even in Caste System, I only use an SE in certain cities. If I don't have the bonus food, I will cottage up and grow the city as large as possible.

As a recovering buildaholic, I feel your pain. Had Toku had some stone or marble, I would have built more wonders. As it was, I felt lucky just to chop out the Mausoleum in Beijing.
 
"I can't determine whether he has any other colonies away from his home island. At the worst, I'm facing longbows, crossbows, and macemen."

yes you can. talk to him and see how many cities he says you'll have to take from his cold, dead hands *giggle*. i really miss that in OCC, you can't see their list since you're not allowed to take their cities.

i loaded the save to check his wonders. he doesn't have SoZ. there's only one guy we haven't met, i guess the mystery man (or woman) built SoZ.

shaka and kublai both HEOOHRN. we don't have all of the map explored, but from what i can fog-gaze, it looks like the only person shaka can reach is kublai, and he's friendly towards KK, so i don't know what the heck he's up to. maybe he can reach somebody in a way we can't see, or maybe he's gonna go after barbs, i heard a rumor that if they're planning to capture a barb city they say WHEOOHRN. or maybe he decided to attack KK before they became friendly. whatever.

but kublai can reach you from old serai by going around that barb city. you're actually in that situation i showed you in that other thread :lol:. if you didn't know astro, you wouldn't be able to reach KK even tho he can reach you with galleys, so unfair! he's lower than you on power, but looks like you refused a demand from him. of course you refused, who is he to made demands of us? i'm thinking that might just put him in a tizzy so much that he overestimates his power. i'm certainly not worried, we'd beat him. "we" meaning that you're the one playing and i'm just sitting here typing, that is. if i ever have to fight a war for you, you're in for trouble.

"I decided to leave the barbarian cities alone for now, as they are generally not worth capturing. When I razed one, it reappeared in a few turns."

if you don't want Kublai moving into Anasazi, you probably do want to go raze it yourself. why give him even the exp? if you have the time of course. he might still settle there, even tho it's a lousy spot (one crab and that's it for resources), but if you raze it he'd have to make a settler and start at pop 1, not get 5 free pop to whip away.

"Trade: should I try to trade Astronomy, even though I have a monopoly on it? We could grab a few more techs and be at the top by trading it, but I'm afraid that once I trade it, foreign cities will start appearing on my islands."

*EDIT* Freddie will give me this for Astronomy ..."

fred loves charlie, so trading it to fred is probably trading it to them both. speaking of which, darn good thing we're not allowed to win diplomatically, seeing as how we have "-4 you traded with our worst enemies" with everybody except the one person who doesn't always get free will to pick who to vote for! :rotfl: oh this is a fun week to tease you and S *giggle*

i loaded the save because #2 i'm not a fan of blue marble, i can't tell what's jungle and what's trees, but mostly #1 i wanted to get rid of the clouds. here's how you can take screenshots without them if you want to bother. i'm copy/pasting what i wrote to somebody who doesn't use blue marble, i'm not sure whether it would work there or not. so, ummm, if you try this and it makes you lose your marble, i claim no responsibility!
Spoiler :
you can take screenshots without the cloud cover in the way. it's not an ingame option, your Civilization4.ini file has to include the lines

; Allow Camera Flying
AllowFlying = 1

the ; line is just a comment saying what it does, they all have that, you don't really need it. do a "find" for flying, the line may already be in there with "= 0", if so change it, if not just paste it in (i think i had to paste it but never trust me on computer stuff). then in game, you hit alt+ctrl+f and you can zoom out but the clouds don't show up. caution: the camera REALLY flies, and the angles change really fast. it actually makes me quite dizzy, so i adjust the angle to where i want it before i hit alt-ctrl-f and then i don't move the mouse, i just hit printscreen *giggle*. if you hate it don't worry about it, but if you do like it, it can lead to clearer pictures.
 
Round 4: to 1620 AD

rain falls
dark clouds forming
lightning

Tokugawa Ieyasu was tormented by his choices. He could attack the brash Sumerian to the west, or the backwards Mongols to the northwest. The ships were ready. The siege engines were carefully packed for travel. The samurai of the noble houses had assembled and were ready for battle. They awaited only his order.

It was clear that the world was changing. New discoveries seemed to happen daily. Tokugawa knew that soon, the power of his samurai would be eclipsed by some new discovery. It was also true that concerns about coin seemed more important than concerns of warfare. He shook his head in disgust. For Japan to prosper, he must balance these interests.

A war with Mongolia would be quick and decisive. He gave the order.


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To start the round, we met the last civ. Yes, it's Captain Facelift!



He seemed agreeable for now. I'm sure he's been REXing like a madman on the islands. This map is perfect for Joao.

In other news, during the round we did produce a Great Merchant, who is being stashed in Kyoto to build Sid's Sushi when we research Medicine. We also teched up to Feudalism / Guilds / Banking and picked up Mercantilism.

It was time to attack the inferior Mongol gaijin. The ships ferried our troops to Old Sarai, the Khan's island waypoint:



And after a brief, three-city campaign:



Kublai Khan had capitulated! Fortunately, his remaining cities are fairly far from his former capital, so I'm hoping to avoid a lot of revolts. Here's a overview of the new additions:



And look, we captured the Great Lighthouse at Karakorum!



I decided to stop here. I am concerned about going forward due to my economy.

Here are some of the key screens:









I am frankly unsure on the best manner of proceeding here, and could use some assistance. I see my choices as:

1. consolidating and teching up, taking out the barb cities and settling all the islands near me while I have a monopoly on Astronomy.

2. attack Shaka. He's the lowest in score and has the hindu holy city.

3. attack Joao. If left unmolested, he'll own half the world. But I will have to make a major investment in a killer navy to get that done. It would be impossible to decisively defeat him in one war.

4. attack Gilgamesh. He still appears to be confined to his home island but is teching nicely. It would take a major devotion of units (50+) to take him out quickly, plus naval power.
 

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I would take out Gilgamesh (he has no horse right?) right away while you ar ebuilding your nice UU Samuri, and befor ehe gets gunpoweder forcing you into dropping your samuri. The devotion of troop is OK as they will be fairly well promoted. I forget, can you upgrade Samuri or must they be disbanded?

Joao is going to be expnding anyway, so worry about getting him later.

I would keep the monopoly on Atronomy as long as you can, don't trade it.

Shaka appears week now, and will only get worse as time goes. Go after him with you blooded and well promoted units from the Summerian war.
 
did you get bored with this one? i was out of town for a bit so i couldn't ramble endlessly, and it seems to have just stopped. if you've found other things to do that interest you more, stick with those for now of course. this isn't a whine, just a wonder.
 
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