I'm helping Leoreth with Dynamic Civ Names while he focuses on more crucial aspects of the game that actually affect game balance. He has approved most of these changes but we have decided to release a trial version here first to garner more feedback from the player community.
Guess it's time to post this now before people get too sad.
BenZL43 and I have been exchanging some PMs and we will try to keep this project going. It has a good objective and would be nice to eventually have in the mod. Here is what I need:
1. Current files from somebody using this. I need "DynamicCivs.py" and any file that fits "DynamicNames_[Civilization].xml" The former should be found in Assets\Python and the latter ones in Assets\XML\Text. Preferably after the Indonesia addition but before works also.
2. Support. If you truly want this give a yes vote and some encouraging remark. (Do not post these in this thread. Do not post in older one either after there are 10 votes). I do not want to put time into this if it is only going to be used by a few. If I get 7 votes of yes I will do this and with 10 I will give updates more often.
3. Suggestions. I can code for this and that is about it. If I really need a name I will go after it but other than that it will be completely up to you.
Scheduling:
With 7 votes I give an update every fortnight, with 10 every week.
My first update will likely be as soon as possible, which could be a week and could be three, depending on how much time I have and if I get the most recent Indonesia update or not. My Python is a bit rusty after a couple months off.
All updates will be zip folders posted on this thread. The most recent update that I have will also be available on this post or the next.
Leoreth, if you could put a link in the opening post of this thread to this post or the next, it would be much appreciated. (Old.)
If this falls through for any reason and you would like to continue it, PM me or if that will not work send an e-mail to the address in an included credits page (Probably won't see this).
Thank you all.
This is compatible with 1.12 and SVN.
The following post has lists of changes which includes features and the current version zip folder. The third post has instructions on how to change specific dynamic names.
This should be compatible with any modmod to DoC, and is a companion of City Name Manager Extra.
Credits to Leoreth and anybody listed in the overall DoC credits for making the mod what it is today, along with iOnlySignIn for originally creating this. Shame it seems he will not be returning. Also a thank you to yurisusuki for keeping and providing the files after iOnlySignIn left.
For any extra information feel free to PM me or BenZL43.
Here is where I will be posting my changelog, keeping track of what is to be added in the latest version, and the most recent version. Maybe also some instructions, but who needs those ?
Changelog:
Spoiler:
04.05.15 - Updated to SVN 965
04.10.14 - Updated to include Canada
Added 1.12 version
16.01.14 - Updated to SVN 661 (no real changes, but if it merged there was something weird in the code)
Tracked Moors vassal names better
03.01.14 - Korean name when capital is in Manchuria (really anything north of the row of tiles directly north of the coastline) before medieval era now Kingdom of Balhae
Modern Korea as a vassal to China now Yanbian Autonomous Prefecture
Default vassal name for Indonesia now Negara ___
Indonesia as an Arabian vassal now Sultanate of Zabag
Egypt as vassal of China now Tributary Haixi State
Reborn Egypt as a vassal of China now Tributary Aiji State
Babylon as a vassal of China now Tributary Haibei State
Default vassal name for Japan after 1900 now Co-Prosperity ___
Specific vassal names for Japan during WWII now only appear after 1900
26.12.13 - Made consistent with SVN 622 (default Iran vassal name now Protectorate of ___)
20.10.13 - Default vassal name for Japan now Prefecture of ___
Reformatted some Chinese vassal names to be more consistent
Default Indonesia vassal name now Kedatuan of ___
Default Thailand vassal name now Mueang of ___
Korea in City-States now called Samhan Confederacies
Fixed some laziness by me that was breaking games
29.09.13 - Default vassal name for Poland now Voivodeship of ___
Default vassal name for Russia now ___ Krai (Vikings is Scandinavia Krai)
Indonesia as a Chinese vassal now Tributary Yindunixiya State
Reformatted some Chinese vassal names to be more consistent
Changed Kingdom of Brazil to Independent Kingdom of Brazil
Changed Yamato Kingdom to Yamato Royal State
22.09.13 - Fascist now only Totalitarianism without Central Planning
Added Chinese vassal names for Europeans to make them more in line with rest (thank you Tommorow's Dawn)
Added Belgian names for Dutch when capital is either Antwerpen or Brussel
Default vassal name for Egypt now Land of ___
Default vassal Name for Moors now Emirate of ___
Default vassal name for Holy Rome now Habsburg ___
Default vassal name for Mughals now Kewab of ___
Default vassal name for Prussia now German ___
Added code where with the deletion of a # will give Russia a generic vassal name of ___ Oblast
Added code where with the deletion of a # will give a Viking vassal of Russia a name of Scandinavia Oblast
08.09.13 - Ma'bar Sultanate now appears for Tamils from medieval era until 1850
Added Azad Hind as name for India when a vassal of Japan
Default vassal name for India now Janapada of ___
Added city state name slot for America
Added Small definition for number of cities
Italy now appears as Kingdom of Italy when at or above 4 cities and Italian Empire when at or above 6 when not running city states, democratic, fascist, or communist civics
01.09.13 - Default democratic England now United Republic of Great Britain
British Empire no longer appears in modern era unless running autocracy or Fascist
Commonwealth of England now appears for democratic in Renaissance era
Added Syrian names for Phoenicia and Sri Lankan names for Tamils (sort of bad right now as directly ripped off from others)
Separated Roman and Italian names.
New Communist name for Rome Plebeian Republic.
Default and Empire Italy name (something is going to be done about this) Kingdom of Italy starts at 4 cities
Reorganized some stuff in the XML files
25.08.13 - Medieval and Renaissance Muslim Ethiopia called Adal Sultanate
From iOnlySignIn:
Spoiler:
== List of Features (pre-600 CE civs and general changes, as of 21-08-2013) ==
- Fascist names cannot appear before discovery of Fascism.
- Adjusted Empire thresholds of all civs for more realistic DCNs.
For example, Rome does not switch to Roman Empire until 7 cities, but Carthage becomes Carthaginian Empire at 3 cities. This allows Roman Republic and Carthaginian Empire to coexist in game as they did historically.
- Dynamic Vassal names: Some Vassal names will change depending on the year.
- Egypt's Middle Kingdom and New Kingdom names are triggered by appropriate techs.
- Fixed a bug where Egypt's medieval Islamic names (Fatimid, Ayyubid, Mamluk) do not appear properly. Mamluk name now appears at historical times.
- Ptolemaic Kingdom appears after 350 BCE with the discovery of Aesthetics (Great Library UHV).
- Coptic Kingdom name appears if Egypt is Medieval without Islam as state religion.
- China's Zhou, Qin, Sui, Tang, and Song names are triggered by appropriate techs and eras. Han and Ming names are triggered by appropriate years.
- China's Zhou name is now Zhou Kingdom instead of Zhou Empire to reflect Qin Shihuang being the First Emperor.
- New Chinese name: Shang Kingdom. Triggered by tech.
- Updated Chinese Vassal names including:
Lelang Commandery (Korea, early)
Protectorate General to Pacify the East (Korea, Medieval/Renaissance)
Jiaozhi Commandery (Khmer)
Outer Mongolia (Mongolia)
Xizang District (Tibet)
- Babylonia starts as Mesopotamian City States. Babylonian Empire names (Neo-Babylonian Empire included) are triggered by techs/eras. Assyrian Empire name is triggered by expansion.
- Babylonia and Persia's modern (democratic, communist, or Fascist) names refer in name to Iraq and Iran respectively.
- Persia's Parthian Empire and Sassanid Empire names are triggered at appropriate years/eras.
- Persia becomes Seleucid Empire if it's running Pantheon during the early Hellenistic period.
- New Persian DCN:
Median Empire. Triggered when early Persia does not have Zoroastrianism as state religion.
- India's Gupta, Mauryan, Pala names are triggered by appropriate techs in addition to religion so that Gupta/Pala don't appear too early and Mauryan has a better chance to appear.
- New Indian DCNs:
Bharata Khanda: Triggered by tech.
Nanda Empire: Triggered by year.
Bahmani Sultanate, Deccan Sultanates: Triggered by Islam state religion.
- Vijayanagara Empire is a Tamil name instead of Indian name now. India's Renaissance+ name is Maratha Empire like it should be.
- New Greek DCN:
Mycenean Kingdoms: Triggered by year.
- Greece no longer appear as Greek City States or Greek League during the Hellenistic Period or later.
- New Greek Vassal name for Rome:
Magna Graecia
- New Generic Greek Vassal name:
Colony of
- Rome is now Roman Kingdom before the discovery of Agriculture.
- New Tamil names:
Tamil Kingdoms: new default name. Chola Empire is now triggered by tech, expansion, and era.
Vijayanagara Empire: Triggered by year.
Pandyan Empire: Triggered by tech and expansion.
- New Korean DCN:
Unified Silla: Triggered by era/tech
- Japan's Empire name is triggered by Autocracy instead of Absolutism.
- New Japanese DCNs:
Yamato Kingdom, Fujiwara Regency: Triggered by tech
Kamakura Shogunate, Ashikaga Shogunate: Triggered by whether Mongolia is dead or not
Tokugawa Shogunate: Triggered by Era
- Byzantium becomes Byzantine Empire only if they adopt Orthodoxy and Rome is dead. If Rome is not dead Byzantium is Eastern Roman Empire.
If Rome is dead but Byzantium does not adopt Orthodoxy, Byzantium is named Roman Empire.
- New democratic name for Byzantium: New Roman Republic
- New DCN for Byzantium: Sultanate of Rum
Triggered by Islam state religion
== List of Features (post-600 CE civs, as of 21-08-2013) ==
- New Fascist names, including
Argentina - Tacuara Nationalist Movement
Brazil - Integralist Brazil
Inca/Peru - Revolutionary Union of Peru
Colombia - Falangist Colombia
Mexico - National Synarchist Union of Mexico
Persia/Iran - National-Socialist Workers' Iran
Byzantium/Greece - Patriotic Alliance of Greece
- Arabia remains Rashidun Caliphate for a while if the capital does not move from Mecca (this is mostly for the Human player).
- Arabia becomes Umayyad Caliphate if their capital is in the Levant. Fixed a misspelling of Umayyad.
- If their capital is in Egypt and Egypt (the civ) is dead, Arabia becomes Fatimid Caliphate if it's before the year 1300 and Mamluk Caliphate if it's after year 1300.
- If one of Arabia and the Moors vassalize the other, the master becomes Umayyad Caliphate.
- Moorish Vassal names. The Moors now share most Vassal names with Arabia, and have 3 unique Vassal names:
Emirate of Al Garb (Portugal)
Pashalik of Timbuktu (Mali)
East Umayyad Caliphate (Arabia)
- The short description of the Moors is now Morocco
- Indonesia now has 5 unique dynastic names:
- Sultante of Mataram: triggered by Islam
- Kingdom of Srivijaya, Medang Kingdom: triggered by capital location
- Singhasari Kingdom, Majapahit Empire: triggered by era and expansion
- Cleanup of Spanish DCN conditions. Fixed a misspelling of Castile.
- New Spanish DCNs:
Kingdom of Leon: Triggered by year
Iberian Union: Triggered when Spain kills or vassalizes Portugal
Crown of Castile: Triggered when Spain controls 5 or more cities without conquering Cordoba
- New Spanish Vassal names:
Council of Portugal
Spanish Louisiana (America)
- France becomes Frankish Empire if it vassalizes at least one of its neighbors during the Medieval Era
- New French Vassal names:
Colony of Peru (Inca)
Second Mexican Empire (Aztecs)
Bourbon Spain (Spain, middle)
Duchy of Milan (Italy, early)
East Francia (Holy Rome, early)
- HRE/Austria becomes Habsburg Empire when it has at least 1 European vassal, instead of 2. This will make Habsburg Empire appear more often.
- New HRE/Austrian vassal names:
Habsburg Spain
Habsburg Netherlands
Duchy of Milan (Italy, early)
Kingdom of Lombardy (Italy, late)
Free County of Burgundy (France)
Duchy of Poland (Poland, early)
Republic of Krakau (Poland, late)
- New English DCNs:
Kingdom of Wessex: Triggered by tech
Kingdom of Scotland: Triggered by capital location
- New English Vassal name:
Federated Malay States (Indonesia)
- England will be British Empire instead of Commonwealth of England in the Industrial Era unless it has fewer than 7 cities and is running Republic.
- New Russian Peoples Description:
Rus' Peoples. The original "Slavic Peoples" is no longer appropriate after the addition of Poland.
- New Russian DCN:
Kievan Rus: Triggered by capital location, City States, and era
- More general and accurate conditions for Italy to become Papal States.
- Portugal now can become Portuguese Empire at Renaissance Era instead of needing to wait till Industrial Era.
- New Portuguese Vassal Names, including
State of Brazil (Brazil)
Portuguese Golden Coast (Mali)
- New Dutch Vassal Names, including
New Netherlands (America)
New Holland (Brazil)
Dutch Golden Coast (Mali)
- More lenient and accurate conditions for Mongolia's Yuan Empire, Timurid Empire, and Chagatai Khanate DCNs to appear.
- Mongolia can no longer be Khamag Mongol after 1400 AD.
- New Mongolian Vassal name for China:
Southern Provinces (was Yuan Khanate, which is redundant with Mongolia's Yuan Empire name)
- Increased Empire threshold for Mughals, Ottomans, and Prussia to 7, 6, and 5 respectively.
- Fixed a bug where modern Islamic democratic names do not appear correctly.
- New Ottoman Fascist Name
Pan-Turkic Empire
- Ottoman default name is now Sublime Ottoman State
- Ottomans become Ottoman Empire when they destroy Byzantium and reach Empire threshold (6 cities).
- Ottomans become Ottoman Caliphate when they destroy/vassalize Arabia, Egypt, Byzantium, and Seljuks, reach Empire threshold, and have Islam as state religion.
- New Turkish Vassal name for Indonesia:
Eyalet of Aceh
- New Unique Vassal names for Congo:
Congo Free State
Portuguese West Africa
French Equatorial Africa
- Prussia/Germany does not become German Empire until the Industrial Era.
- Prussia/Germany now has 2 democratic names:
German Reich (official name of the Weimar Republic) and Federal Republic of Germany. Transition is decided by the discovery of Mass Media.
- Prussia/Germany now becomes Greater German Empire if it vassalizes any European civ (instead of specifically Austria/HRE) during the Industrial Era.
- New Prussian Vassal name for Poland:
Grand Duchy of Posen
- New American DCN:
State of Deseret: Triggered by Theocracy
- New American Generic Vassal Name:
Free Associated State of
- New American Vassal Name for Maya/Colombia:
Panama Canal Zone
- Brazil now has 2 democratic names:
Republic of the United States of Brazil and Federative Republic of Brazil. The transition is decided by the discovery of Mass Media.
To be included in next version(s):
- More Generic Vassal Names
- Add more religion specific names
- Some organizational stuff that nobody should worry about due to my OCD
- Keep this list better updated
- Keep the modmod better updated
Most recent version attached. SVN only. Instructions included.
If you see a name that you don't like or want to change, proceed. If you see a name that is offensive in any way or makes absolutely no sense, post below or contact either of us. We will then do some research and if it is a good claim it will be changed.
Go to Assets\XML\Text\DynamicNames_ .xml for the civilization you wish to change.
Find the name you wish to change (usually you can tell the conditions), delete it, and put in a different one.
Adding a name can be done through Python and a bit of XML. You can look for tutorials on how to do this (I think I wrote something up in the main RFC forum), though Python is fairly intuitive and if you are ambitious enough I think you can probably figure it out.
How about maybe changing Babylon's name with its capital at Jerusalem to something related to Kingdom of Israel or something? It's just that I've got them in that position in my current game, they also lost every other city and it's weird seeing them as Babylonian Empire still.
It should be if and only if the era is Classical or Ancient, not bEmpire:
Kingdom of Judah: Capital at Jerusalem, OCC.
Spoiler:
Code:
if iEra <= iClassical:
if capital.getName() == "Jerusalem":
if not bEmpire:
self.setCivDesc(iPlayer, "TXT_KEY_CIV_BABYLONIA_JUDAH")
[COLOR="Blue"]return[/COLOR]
Kingdom of Israel: Capital at Jerusalem, Not bEmpire (maximum city = 2 then) and city.getX=73 and city.getY<42
Coordinates of Sur is afaik (73,40) and Jerusalem is afaik (73,38), but city.getY<42 makes sure all the cities are in Levants.
Spoiler:
Code:
I have no idea actually, but I hope this one works... :p
if iEra <= iClassical:
for city in lCities:
if capital.getName() == "Jerusalem" and city.getX() = 73 and city.getY() < 42:
if not bEmpire:
self.setCivDesc(iPlayer, "TXT_KEY_CIV_BABYLONIA_ISRAEL")
[COLOR="Blue"]return[/COLOR]
3. Suggestions. I can code for this and that is about it. If I really need a name I will go after it but other than that it will be completely up to you.
First stage: go through all of the names and try to come up with replacements for ones that are not historical. This shouldn't take too long as there are very few of these.
Second stage: vassals. Ideally I will be able to find something specific for each civilization which they used to name their vassals. Think Satrapy for Persia or Viceroyalty for Spain. Hopefully also more specific ones.
Third stage: more creative naming for certain religions. Adal Sultanate is an example of this. Currently it is mostly Islamic names, but I hope to expand it to others as well.
What do you think about some of the suggestions that were refused in the other thread, such as Assyrian names for modern Christian Babylonia/Iraq and Taiping Heavenly Kingdom for Christian China?
Assyria for modern Babylon/Iraq: no. Specific religious names stop between 1700 and 1800, depending on the civilization as an approximation of nationalism. I do not want to use the actual nationalism tech in case someone gets extremely far behind tech-wise.
China: probably not. I don't really want to mess with China after what iOnlySignIn did, as it is a beautiful mechanic. I think in some cases the civilization will take precedence over the religion if there was never truly that state religion, especially if it was post 1800 and only lasted 15 years.
First stage: go through all of the names and try to come up with replacements for ones that are not historical. This shouldn't take too long as there are very few of these.
I mentioned it in the other thread, but I'll echo it again in case anyone else missed it. For a Spain or Portugal which controls the entire Iberian Peninsula, the name Iberian Union is not actually historical. It was created by modern historians. The name that was actually used at the time (and even centuries prior to the union being formed) was the Empire of All Hispania.
Wikipedia is actually an amazing source for the historical names of civilizations and empires that no longer exist today. For example, you can see the links below the map on that page lead to potential names for vassals of the Spanish Empire.
It also includes important geographical information and a timeline. For example, the Duchy of Milan was a constituent of the Holy Roman Empire from 1395 to 1797. Later, it was named the Transpadane Republic and then the Cisalpine Republic (with a few geographic differences) while it was controlled by the French Republic. From 1815 to 1866, it went back under the control of the Austrians as the Kingdom of Lombardy–Venetia. From 1861 to 1946 it was part of the Kingdom of Italy, and now it's part of the Italian Republic.
So, if you want to go in-depth on this stuff, you really can. I found the naming detail to be one of the most enjoyable aspects of the Europa Universalis games. I like the gameplay in Civ much more though, so it's a great combination.
What do you think about some of the suggestions that were refused in the other thread, such as Assyrian names for modern Christian Babylonia/Iraq and Taiping Heavenly Kingdom for Christian China?
There is no precedent for an Assyrian nation-state in the modern day.
Therefore, we cannot make up one based on that rationale alone.
The Taiping Heavenly Kingdom is not Christian as well, nor is it a state worth including from its tenuous and short-lived regional rule.
On the religion side, it was more similar in vein to Eastern Lightning and Aum Shinrikyo, two modern day millenarian cults.
On the state side, if we include it, we may as well justify including the individual entities of the Three Kingdoms Era or even the Shun Dynasty.
I mentioned it in the other thread, but I'll echo it again in case anyone else missed it. For a Spain or Portugal which controls the entire Iberian Peninsula, the name Iberian Union is not actually historical. It was created by modern historians. The name that was actually used at the time (and even centuries prior to the union being formed) was the Empire of All Hispania.
Okay, I've gone through and will release the next version about 48 hours from now. As one can see from above posts, I have a list of
- Make United Kingdom name for England more likely in modern era
- Less generic fascist names
- Less generic communist names
- Add Sri Lanka names for Tamils
United Kingdom: Will make "United Kingdom of Great Britain" the democratic name, though you will see Commonwealth in the Renaissance and maybe early Industrial. No British Empire for modern era except with Fascism, may do this for other European Empires as well.
Fascist and Communist names: will start this this time and probably finish it by next. Suggestions preferred, can also be for regions (People's Republic for most of Asia already exists). List of civs to do this for:
Fascist: Phoenicia (Lebanon, not Carthage), Ethiopia, France, Mali, Maya, Mongolia, Moors, Spain, Thailand, Tibet
Communist: Argentina, Brazil, Phoenicia (Lebanon, not Carthage), Colombia, Congo, Ethiopia, Austria, India, Indonesia, Japan, Mali, Maya, Mongolia, Moors, Mughals, Netherlands, Iran, Poland, Rome, Spain, Tamils, Thailand, Tibet, Vikings
Sri Lanka: Pretty Obvious. Question is should it be Industrial / Modern or only Modern
If so, then use "United Republic of Great Britain" if Britain is running Republic. It would use "United Kingdom of Great Britain" if the country is running Dynasticism, even (especially?) if it is also running Representation or Universal Suffrage (or whatever the corresponding civics are with the overhaul).
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