anarres
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Thanks alexman! At last somewhere to point people to.
Originally posted by alexman
This is true only if you enforce the additional restriction of constant city density. ...
Originally posted by alexman
The Forbidden Palace acts as a second Palace for distance corruption calculations, but not for rank calculations. The Forbidden Palace itself will have low corruption, but if there are many cities closer to the Palace than the Forbidden Palace, the cities around the Forbidden Palace will have high rank corruption.
Originally posted by Pook
Alexman, just had someone show me this thread today. Great work! I had it backward on which one (rank or distance) got affected by building the FP. Thanx for setting me straight on this.
Originally posted by Roland Johansen
Huh? If I've understood the formulas correctly, then both rank and distance corruption get affected by building the forbidden palace. The distance corruption of the cities closer to the forbidden palace then the original palace gets lower and the rank corruption of all cities gets lower as the optimal city number (Nopt) increases.
Originally posted by Pook
Looking back at Alexman's first post:
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The rank corruption component depends on the rank (R) and optimal city number (Nopt) of each city.
In a non-communal type of government all cities of an empire are ranked in order of distance to the capital, starting at zero for the capital itself. If several cities have the same distance to the capital, they are ranked in order of founding, and if they also have the same date of founding, they are ranked by their order in the database. In a communal form of government, all cities have the same rank, which is half the total number of cities in the empire, rounded down.
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If I read this correctly, the rank corruption only depends on distance from the capital, not the (capital or FP). I'm learning, if anyone can help me understand this better please do.
Thanx, I think I understand it better now, and also, the implications for where to put the FP. I followed your suggestion in the Rise of Rome scenario by putting the FP in southern Gaul. It's working well, reducing corruption significantly in nearby cities.Originally posted by Roland Johansen
You are right that the rank corruption of a city is independant from the distance to the forbidden palace. But the mere existance of the forbidden palace will reduce rank corruption in all not totally corrupt cities.
If you look closely at the formula:
Nopt = max(OCN * (L/100 + c + Gr + Gp*Nwe + 0.25*Ni), 1)
you'll notice the factor Gp*Nwe of the OCN in this formula. This factor is added when you build the forbidden palace (or secret police station). So when you've build the FP, the Nopt of every city increases and thus the rank corruption of every city decreases.
It doesn't decrease the rank corruption of cities build close to the forbidden palace more than others, so if you build the forbidden palace far from the original palace, then its benefits of decreasing distance corruption locally are lost because rank corruption is already too high (above 100%). So build it among moderately corrupted cities to have the largest benefit.
Originally posted by Roland Johansen
You are right that the rank corruption of a city is independant from the distance to the forbidden palace. But the mere existance of the forbidden palace will reduce rank corruption in all not totally corrupt cities.
If you look closely at the formula:
Nopt = max(OCN * (L/100 + c + Gr + Gp*Nwe + 0.25*Ni), 1)
you'll notice the factor Gp*Nwe of the OCN in this formula. This factor is added when you build the forbidden palace (or secret police station). So when you've build the FP, the Nopt of every city increases and thus the rank corruption of every city decreases.
It doesn't decrease the rank corruption of cities build close to the forbidden palace more than others, so if you build the forbidden palace far from the original palace, then its benefits of decreasing distance corruption locally are lost because rank corruption is already too high (above 100%). So build it among moderately corrupted cities to have the largest benefit.
Originally posted by Roland Johansen
You're welcome, but it is just very carefully reading the great work of alexman et al. Although some feeling for what effects mathematical formulas have is usefull.