Judge rules 4-year-old can be sued

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For negligence, apparently:

Citing cases dating back as far as 1928, a judge has ruled that a young girl accused of running down an elderly woman while racing a bicycle with training wheels on a Manhattan sidewalk two years ago can be sued for negligence.
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The ruling by the judge, Justice Paul Wooten of State Supreme Court in Manhattan, did not find that the girl was liable, but merely permitted a lawsuit brought against her, another boy and their parents to move forward.

The suit that Justice Wooten allowed to proceed claims that in April 2009, Juliet Breitman and Jacob Kohn, who were both 4, were racing their bicycles, under the supervision of their mothers, Dana Breitman and Rachel Kohn, on the sidewalk of a building on East 52nd Street. At some point in the race, they struck an 87-year-old woman named Claire Menagh, who was walking in front of the building and, according to the complaint, was “seriously and severely injured,” suffering a hip fracture that required surgery. She died three months later.

Her estate sued the children and their mothers, claiming they had acted negligently during the accident. In a response, Juliet’s lawyer, James P. Tyrie, argued that the girl was not “engaged in an adult activity” at the time of the accident — “She was riding her bicycle with training wheels under the supervision of her mother” — and was too young to be held liable for negligence.

In legal papers, Mr. Tyrie added, “Courts have held that an infant under the age of 4 is conclusively presumed to be incapable of negligence.” (Rachel and Jacob Kohn did not seek to dismiss the case against them.)

But Justice Wooten declined to stretch that rule to children over 4. On Oct. 1, he rejected a motion to dismiss the case because of Juliet’s age, noting that she was three months shy of turning 5 when Ms. Menagh was struck, and thus old enough to be sued.

Mr. Tyrie “correctly notes that infants under the age of 4 are conclusively presumed incapable of negligence,” Justice Wooten wrote in his decision, referring to the 1928 case. “Juliet Breitman, however, was over the age of 4 at the time of the subject incident. For infants above the age of 4, there is no bright-line rule.”

The New York Law Journal reported the decision on Thursday.

Mr. Tyrie had also argued that Juliet should not be held liable because her mother was present; Justice Wooten disagreed.

“A parent’s presence alone does not give a reasonable child carte blanche to engage in risky behavior such as running across a street,” the judge wrote. He added that any “reasonably prudent child,” who presumably has been told to look both ways before crossing a street, should know that dashing out without looking is dangerous, with or without a parent there. The crucial factor is whether the parent encourages the risky behavior; if so, the child should not be held accountable.

In Ms. Menagh’s case, however, there was nothing to indicate that Juliet’s mother “had any active role in the alleged incident, only that the mother was ‘supervising,’ a term that is too vague to hold meaning here,” he wrote. He concluded that there was no evidence of Juliet’s “lack of intelligence or maturity” or anything to “indicate that another child of similar age and capacity under the circumstances could not have reasonably appreciated the danger of riding a bicycle into an elderly woman.”

Mr. Tyrie, Dana Breitman and Rachel Kohn did not respond to messages seeking comment.

This article has been revised to reflect the following correction:

Correction: October 29, 2010


An earlier version of this article incorrectly stated that Claire Menagh died three weeks after the accident. She died three months later.

This is from NY Times.

I wonder what the point of suing a 4-year-old is if they can't actually pay the settlement. Why not just sue the parents? I don't know much about law, so some one fill me in on why this may not be profoundly stupid.
 
She's suing for the Piggy Bank. Also that dollhouse looks nice! :goodjob:
 
Holding parents financially accountable for the acts of their children, especially when they are under direct supervision?
 
They are suing the child on a slightly different legal theory than the parents and would likely be able to enforce a judgment against the parents if they prevailed against the kid. Looks like we need to have mandatory liability insurance for bikes.
 
Because they are four years old and have no idea what a lawsuit is.
 
The parent can not be sued directly because the parent didn't run the lady over, however the parent is liable for the child so in effect you are suing the parents.

Had a similar thing happen to me a few years ago about suing my grand parents. (Never actually sued we reach a settlement.) But to get my grand parents insurance to pay, I might of had to sue them first.
 
I hope the kid gets JollyRoger to defend her.
 
“A parent’s presence alone does not give a reasonable child carte blanche to engage in risky behavior such as running across a street,” the judge wrote. He added that any “reasonably prudent child,” who presumably has been told to look both ways before crossing a street, should know that dashing out without looking is dangerous, with or without a parent there. The crucial factor is whether the parent encourages the risky behavior; if so, the child should not be held accountable.
What a <curse words emitted> idiot. Clearly he has never had children or even interacted with them for more than 5 minutes in his life. If he did, he'd never write something so patently at odds with reality.

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What a <curse words emitted> idiot. Clearly he has never had children or even interacted with them for more than 5 minutes in his life. If he did, he'd never write something so patently at odds with reality.

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He concluded that there was no evidence of Juliet’s “lack of intelligence or maturity” or anything to “indicate that another child of similar age and capacity under the circumstances could not have reasonably appreciated the danger of riding a bicycle into an elderly woman.”
I think this is the relevant quote under circumstances and I quite agree with him...
 
I think this is the relevant quote under circumstances and I quite agree with him...
Agree w/ him all you want. Anyone who has kids gets what I'm saying. The idea that a 5 year old can exercise the kind of reason and restraint that the judge is talking about is beyond idiotic.
 
What a <curse words emitted> idiot. Clearly he has never had children or even interacted with them for more than 5 minutes in his life. If he did, he'd never write something so patently at odds with reality.

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Forget about having children. This judge can hardly every have been a kid himself!
 
I think a 4 year old can know not to run a bicycle into an elderly woman, but a lawsuit? It's just a little kid!
 
I think its really silly.
 
Holding parents financially accountable for the acts of their children, especially when they are under direct supervision?

Yeah, the stupid part of this case is just whatever legalese required the lawsuit to be "against the kid" rather than against the parent.
 
Its really sad about the lady dying though. Is it directly due to the accident though? That would be an important question.
 
Anyone who has kids gets what I'm saying. The idea that a 5 year old can exercise the kind of reason and restraint that the judge is talking about is beyond idiotic.
Not running people over with a bicycle is called "restraint" now? :rolleyes: That is a bit different than just running out to street without looking both ways first. And, btw, I have a kid.
 
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