pomthom
Drive & Reverb
I'm a bit busy at the moment
K-mod Deity Fun -- Collaboration of SGOTM teams
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Looks good, You can't force everyone to say something, especially some are still away and busy.
3 archers in the city is too dangerours.
Just counting the strength and bonus, we can find that 3 archers are far from enough to deal with the attacking force: (5*1.12+4*4*1.1).
4 will be fine, but there're still some risks, and the 4-1 combination just lures Sury to pillage the gold.
5-0 is my choice, but I don't know whether the AI in Kmod is smart enough to change mind and pillage the gold.
Just counting the strength and bonus, we can find that 3 archers are far from enough to deal with the attacking force: (5*1.12+4*4*1.1).
4 will be fine, but there're still some risks, and the 4-1 combination just lures Sury to pillage the gold.
5-0 is my choice, but I don't know whether the AI in Kmod is smart enough to change mind and pillage the gold.
I am curious whether we can salvage this game
Were you waving the white flag already.
Don't be panic, I have been DOWed by deity AIs probably more than anyone else.
soundjata
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main topic to discuss: gorilla warfare
Near Shanghai we have 5 archers, against a stack of 1 axe, 2 spears and 2 chariots.
We'd like our archers to defend on hills against those dudes to have winning odds. On flatland we get murdered.
Sury's courage pattern showed he's not willing to attack a couple of archers on a hill (gold mine)
Assume we leave our 2 stacks of archers in place, Sury should move towards Beijing.
in 2 turns (T81)
Sury's SOD will be half way Between Beijing and Shanghai, either on the plains hill mine or on the desert tile.
They could attack Beijing on T83, when 3 archers shall be ready for defense. (I suppose with proper settler-whip-overflow)
Nevertheless on T81 we want to trick the Sury SOD into coming back south by taking out the Shanghai garrison. Is this expected to work?
Near Shanghai we have 5 archers, against a stack of 1 axe, 2 spears and 2 chariots.
We'd like our archers to defend on hills against those dudes to have winning odds. On flatland we get murdered.
Sury's courage pattern showed he's not willing to attack a couple of archers on a hill (gold mine)
Assume we leave our 2 stacks of archers in place, Sury should move towards Beijing.
in 2 turns (T81)
Sury's SOD will be half way Between Beijing and Shanghai, either on the plains hill mine or on the desert tile.
They could attack Beijing on T83, when 3 archers shall be ready for defense. (I suppose with proper settler-whip-overflow)
Nevertheless on T81 we want to trick the Sury SOD into coming back south by taking out the Shanghai garrison. Is this expected to work?
drewisfat
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No. On T81 you won't have enough archers in the capital to deter him from charging the city. Even if you would have enough built on T82 he would have already moved up, and will probably just pillage and carry on to your northern unguarded city.
In general it might be too late to get him to turn around when he's 2S of your capital, unless you impeded his pillage path forward.
In general it might be too late to get him to turn around when he's 2S of your capital, unless you impeded his pillage path forward.
The way I know working is to block his SOD behind the mountain. We could send the current archer in capital to 2S in this turn. Next turn, since we whip the settler in capital, we can free the warrior and let him go to 2S as well. Therefore the only tile that Sury's SOD can pillage is the farm tile north of gold city.
soundjata
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5 units stack wouldn't attack 1 archer on the hill?
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpost.php?p=13061348&postcount=291
It's RNG dependent, sometime they will, sometime not. However, there's a warrior to be with the archer in time. I'm not very sure about the inner mechanics. My guess is that AI prefer to move the SOD in whole, 2 units defending on the hill means that there will be at least 1 unit of their SOD left in place after wining the battle.
It's RNG dependent, sometime they will, sometime not. However, there's a warrior to be with the archer in time. I'm not very sure about the inner mechanics. My guess is that AI prefer to move the SOD in whole, 2 units defending on the hill means that there will be at least 1 unit of their SOD left in place after wining the battle.
drewisfat
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That could work. I'm not sure what the stack will do once you block it off, if it will pillage the farm and stay put or wander north around the mountain. If it wanders around the mountain it might cause lots of problems, you can't really defend it from pillaging at that point. Eventually his reinforcements will come and you have to decide if you want to split his armies up or not. You can even use that galley you're building (for some reason ^^) to ferry troops around.
I was going to recommend moving two archers from the city to the tile NE (leave the strong one for the chariot). I know it's flatlands but I think KMOD AI still is going to jump at the chance of getting the city, not risk a fight, and move SW, and then you can go back and forth for a while. I've been in virtually the same position, (but with a forest instead of a gold hill), and it worked for me.
I was going to recommend moving two archers from the city to the tile NE (leave the strong one for the chariot). I know it's flatlands but I think KMOD AI still is going to jump at the chance of getting the city, not risk a fight, and move SW, and then you can go back and forth for a while. I've been in virtually the same position, (but with a forest instead of a gold hill), and it worked for me.
