Narz
keeping it real
For some reason this made me think of this girl I met in Mexico who I become pen/e-mail pals with who often ended her e-mails with "I love you more than never".
Kim Jong Il Has Died
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Apparently, South Korea is wondering the same thing--their army is on alert.
So's Mao's and Ho Chi Minh's. Seems a bit of a communist tradition.
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Nothing happening yet... It's possible KJI himself was a figurehead. If that's true it wont change much. They just need to ease the people into accepting the new dummy and everything will be dandy.
Or its calm before the storm. Or I'm wrong about everything and his son will have no problem being the new dictator. Nobody knows what the F happens inside that country.
Or its calm before the storm. Or I'm wrong about everything and his son will have no problem being the new dictator. Nobody knows what the F happens inside that country.
North Korea is Best Korea 
GoodSarmatian
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I think he is a pretty cool guy. He has a big cucumber and doesn't afraid of anything.
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Pangur Bán;11131915 said:
Given how crap the average North Korean's life is, I imagine they view the dictatorship as a necessary evil. After all, without a strong government, there is nothing to keep the west from conquering, enslaving and exploiting them.
Or, at least, that's probably what the government likely poses itself as. I imagine most people in dictatorships know their government's not free, but tolerate it because they think the alternatives are worse and/or are too afraid to fight back. All you need to do is break those, and tyranny is history.
He at least had a happy childhood.
Such a small child, dressed up like another rank and file soldier...
It's sad that Kim Il Sung ruined everyone in North Korea's lives, even that of his own family. They may have had all the money they could ever want, but some things are more important than wealth...
To my knowledge, most dictatorships aren't really dictatorships, but oligarchies with a prominent leader. Mubarak, for instance, was never really in control of Egypt - the military was. He was just the frontman, and with enough pressure, the military deposed him to preserve its power.
Stalin is one of the few individuals I can think of who had a genuine dictatorship, and that's likely because he regularly butchered his inner circle every few years. (Ergo, no one could amass enough power and influence to challenge him)
I imagine North Korea is just the same - the Kim family is their equivalent of a monarchy, with all the prestige that's been built around it. So, regardless of how intelligent and capable, or fat, lazy and incompetent the current head of the family is, it so far pays off to keep them.
The average North Korean is also exposed to tons of propaganda on a daily basis, and has little knowledge of the world outside their borders. Low consciousness--they may tolerate the dictatorship because they don't know there is anything better.
You are right, there are examples of both, but I'm not sure which one North Korea falls under. I'm not sure if anyone else really knows the inner workings of North Korean politics either, we just have suspicions and intuition.
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Oh they "know" what is beyond their borders. Or at least, what they were fed. If you observe the cartoons and media for all age groups, they all seem to have a recurring theme: the United States is evil and will attack some day.
For example, one involved a child not doing his homework, and the USA promptly invaded. It's telling the moral to do one's homework through an insane connection, but is also demonising the West.
But, I am convinced that between a mixture of fear, belief the government is actually protecting them, and ignorance of the many benefits of freer societies have all helped keep the dictatorship stable. How we can burst that bubble, I do not know...
Well, short of a massive invasion, but that's not only costly, but insane. Plus, it would just make the dictatorship's propaganda seem accurate.
Indeed. All we know is their government has perhaps the greatest grip on information in the modern world.
anandus
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It'll be thrilling to see what happens in N-Korea behind the cutrains.
More often than not in these situations there are some people who'd want to grab the power, maybe a 'rogue' general or something.
We'll see who comes out on top.
Also the new person in power (be Kim Yong-Un or a general) will need to 'prove' itself and test the loyalty of it's army, so I'm afraid (although I hope I'm wrong) there might me something like another Yeonpyeong attack, or a South-Korea or American ship being attacked.
Of course, I hope I'm completely wrong, but those things (A. someone else trying to get the power from the son and B. the need to prove and test loyalty) has happened very often in the past, all times, all over the world.
More often than not in these situations there are some people who'd want to grab the power, maybe a 'rogue' general or something.
We'll see who comes out on top.
Also the new person in power (be Kim Yong-Un or a general) will need to 'prove' itself and test the loyalty of it's army, so I'm afraid (although I hope I'm wrong) there might me something like another Yeonpyeong attack, or a South-Korea or American ship being attacked.
Of course, I hope I'm completely wrong, but those things (A. someone else trying to get the power from the son and B. the need to prove and test loyalty) has happened very often in the past, all times, all over the world.
AL_DA_GREAT
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I thought Kim jong il already was dead and his son had power.
I have always hoped that the country collapses upon itself. Hopefully they will get weaker leaders and the collapse will be more possible. time for #occupyPyongyang
I have always hoped that the country collapses upon itself. Hopefully they will get weaker leaders and the collapse will be more possible. time for #occupyPyongyang
I share this feeling but I don't believe myself to be terrible for wanting this man dead.
Tommy Vercetti
The Don
Another evil doer is dead. May he burn in hell.
Rest in as much peace as you're going to get in whichever level of hell you get sent to, Comrade.
RE: everyone hoping for the collapse of the country: no, no, that's a terrible thing to hope for. The best thing would be a gradual and peaceful transition to democracy and transfer of power, paving the way for talks with the South. Collapse is a more dangerous prospect.
RE: everyone hoping for the collapse of the country: no, no, that's a terrible thing to hope for. The best thing would be a gradual and peaceful transition to democracy and transfer of power, paving the way for talks with the South. Collapse is a more dangerous prospect.
Tycho Brahe
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Kim Jong Il and Václav Havel. The contrast is overwhelming.
RIP Václav Havel.
RIP Václav Havel.
