not meant to mean that the Left gave up the idea . Had it here already at least twice : my uncles on the mother's side are "fast" union guys , one of them staying under custody for a month and a half after the 1980 coup . Well , it's 2000s and all the TVs share the image . Some obviously Kurdish looking guy hugging some generic looking guy during a strike in Ankara . It's really hardcoded into the Left that Right ruins the country and no way to challenge that except winning the vote ; which can not happen without Kurds . And industrial action , especially for those who have taken part in strikes before the 1980s ... It is a stirring sight for Leftists . This uncle of mine , who would offer advice to a younger generation of unionists that they should wake up because the "pro-market" adjustments to the laws would one day make Labour action all but impossible and was naturally and completely ignored , as thousands of his times were regarded as "dynosaurs" , while the leadership of 1990s were - you know- brilliantly smart . ı could see he was moved , the outrageously scandalous management of the country could be taught a lesson , Civil War (which is a possibility since 1984 the year) averted , maybe whole damned world would be improved and all that . Simply because the trend has always been downward and all the TV stations talking that this is a Turkish-Kurdish-Leftist thing . Has run for weeks and can not be broken . We are watching the news after dinner in this large scale family gathering and ı say ı knew this would happen for a month . Because it was discussed on the State Channel a month previously that some labour action could unite Turks and Kurds and this would help New Turkey's claims to Middle Eastern oil . A moment of shock perhaps and he didn't make a single comment again . Especially about the two guys hugging for 10 or 15 minutes and how much "gay" it looked like . It's in the DNA of the smarties , ı believe , to studiously study in the US of A on symbolisms and yet be unable to do anything without making it an insult .
aw , the exact moment to re-introduce the so called national intelligence service of the country . So called because they would be shot if they were doing the same in any other country . Or maybe not , me not "experienced" how it's done in places like South America . The hugging brothers thing was mentioned as "a possibility" by the father of the Voice of the Counter-Revolution , right before it either started or given prominence . Nothing confusing , this is a guy working in Intelligence , outed in court as a witness against a Baath type Leftist coup attempt in the 1970s . Used as a media outlet of the service later on . Combines talent and reputation with a well known Kemalist academician to suggest if Democracy comes to Turkey all the Kurds will flock to us , you know , with oil . Why , no problemo . Does he need some more rep ? He is implicated in the arrest of a mole for the Americans in the intelligence service in 1979 or so . Just don't ever discuss why the CIA did not visit him before he ended up dead in a ditch or something . After all the very same intelligence service , under the auspieces of the very same CIA , established the seperatist organization ; it is actually official position of the Goverment and stuff (that traitorous Kemalists did it as Crypto Zionists) . With bloodshed the seperatists would cause making it impossible for the masses to unite and vote Left to power . He would disappear allright , when the Goverment would be unhappy about the lack of response his proposals led to and would distance themselves and the guy wouldn't be on TV for a couple of years . His daughter was more of the same as old age slowed him down , she was actually the head of the Marmara section of "Hülya Koçyiğit and just a few are not traitors" committee . This is also simple to grasp , after like 40 years of effort , Americans thought the time was right and started the ball rolling . Like bringing Peace to Turkey and telling us that the Kurds had been wronged and they would forgive us if we embraced them through the destruction of the Republic of 1923 . Koçyiğit is a movie star ı grew up watching films of ; you won't see me describing her or a few (like Orhan Gencebay) as traitors , even if she raises tempers on the Opposition ranks whenever she gives an interview . Even when her granddaughter's husband stars in the TV series the New Turkey loves most ... But those were like 70 people , teaching us fools that a brilliant future awaited the country , about in 2014 or so . Being a Turk was practically wrong , hurt our Kurdish and Arab brothers . Being a blonde with no headscarve she couldn't support ISIL on the TV debate show her father had started and the Voice of the Counter-Revolution is nowhere to be seen . Nor there was any more news of that strike ...
where are we ? Oh , Washington has got Ankara to establish a Marxist Leninist rebellion in Turkey to rig the vote if ordinary vote rigging fails to do it . Guess what , the opressed masses of Kurds , who can't speak their language in Turkey , nor even name their babies in the way they might like , fail to rise up ! The territory is ideal for an insurgency , right ? They are oppressed , right ? The commoner has no issues that should get him to die . True , he might get shot at on the borders if he is noticed while smuggling but it's what happens in smuggling . Or the proper American way to rebel : Taxes too high now that he practically gets nothing while working honestly , but so what ? The Republic does not stop his sons and daughters to become a "man" , making something of themselves . He couldn't be one , because his own father failed to provide the means for him , but maybe he will do allright for his family , right ? If he is poor , well , everybody is . This is exactly why all the leading Leftists of Kurds were handpicked after the 1980s and like "appropriately" tortured . You know , them traitors [B had refused[/B] to rise against Turkey ... Despite the best efforts of Ankara of post 1974 to make them so . Of course there was a Radical fringe , no doubt at the same percentage that there have been Radical Turks . The radicals had no following amongst ordinary people . That's exactly why the Leftists were forced to eat human excrement , so that they were forced to go up in the mountains or support those who did . There is honour and "honour" ; you can retain your honour no matter what but losing face , the "honour" thing , is dangerous ; it makes you weak , a prey for those who think you are ready to part with anything they might demand you to give . Vendetta feeling soon asserted its power as well , nobody who is sane or something can be expected to feel 100% content when some cousin ends up killed in a firefight . Let alone his riddled body thrown out of some helicopter , because American experts assured our brilliantest that it works , totally proven in Vietnam since the 1960s . And firefights happen , if they are firing at you (some Turkish soldier or something) you fire back , not sing Hare Krishna back . The world would be saved if this happened , ı know . And ı look forward to see the day when (say) Americans manage this feat against the El Kaide .
and a thing to remember , the fighting did not begin against the Military Rule , the Junta . Those who banned talking Kurdish again , who replaced Kurdish village names again , who beat up people on the bus for lack of an ID card . It began after ANAP took over , with extensive Civilian influence already in place so that some traitorous Kemalist officer traitorously could not manage to corner all the leading lights of the seperatists in some cave and kill them all . Santa Turgut , the Prime Minister of the time , inspected troops in flip flops and shorts , to encourage what was to come . If the Military Brass was so angry as the legends of the time implied , one of them would slap Santa Turgut and he would brown his heroic shorts , but as the history shows , Santa Turgut was an hero of Democracy and instigator of economic reforms that made this country a better market . Meaning America's man on the spot . Santa Turgut never wore the shorts again , to inspect people , because of the obvious need to look like the father figure that led the Turkish Armed Forces against Evil . While making it impossible for the small scale animal husbandry to be viable , in such a tiny slice of the economic reforms to make this country the "Little America" . Turkey getting a million tiny cuts and people unable to care for the family , and wouldn't be better if the eldest son joined the seperatists ? With him over "there" , maybe the seperatists wouldn't be "taxing" that much ? It's practically impossible to make this pass , with a gazillion photos of heroic girls against the beardies of ISIL post 2014 , but the first eldest daughters were taken at gunpoint , in addition to a sack of flour or some loaves of bread , and generally found shot dead a week later . Because the willing female seperatists wouldn't like getting raped by the heroic freedom fighters and the boys had it tough , those first years . Ankara could not assign free-zones to them yet . While useful as a hotbody , she could have no doubt ratted on them as soon as she could escape . In like the first of such cases , like all the boys were shot like dogs and it was much approved in her village and while "honour" and obvious revenge attacks made it impossible that she could return home . She was unqualified to live in Istanbul and the like ; so Düsseldorff . Germans are Crypto Nazis and stuff but whole streets do not prey on single women , right ? While Istanbul would still do ? What did this lead to ? American experts , contrary to previous "orders" of theirs , flooded the figthing zones with Turkish Army patrols to deny "individuality" to troops and seperatists went into an "use and shoot" mode . While Santa Turgut's Ministers would be giving interviews to foreign newspapers that "patrols" were using captured or state issue horses and donkeys ; 'cause it was much useful a lie , much whispered in Kurdish villages where ever appropriate . If the Turk was a man , you know , he would grab a girl and get rid off her later . The screaming was reserved for locations that had not "heard" ; where the seperatist propaganda was Turkish soldiers were abducting and raping and killing while they were fending such evil attacks and defending the honour and "honour" of Kurds . The Goverment Minister , if alive 30 years on , will naturally claim he was deflecting "sided" allegations of Western journalists .
if you think the awesome feminist values and all that Green awareness of the seperatist movement is a splendid proof of how they deserve all the friendship of the West , yeah , it's the fault of Kemalists . They have started to respect women and love pandas and hug trees and this is like an improvement that can not be denied , like obviously .
now that nothing happens in isolation , let's just remember Saddam's basical programme was first creating a sense of "National Unity" with an easy victory over the distracted Iranians . To follow that with a massive victory up north . He is supposed to unite Arabs under his leadership , do you think he would try that with Israel of nukes ? Iranians being updisputed masters of buying people and all this ending up with Halepçe of 1986 . ı think it's spelled Halabja in English . Then the pants on fire period of 1990-91 . Santa Turgut to wholly destroy the Republic , bragging that he has a big part to play in this scenario , tanks to roll into Kerkük . This he is telling to people he takes as Kemalists , but he intends to roll into Baghdad to bring more in Arabs . Kerkük is Turkoman , and we may not know it at the time but all those Turkomans are Shia ! Such a big thing , now that Qatar has no gas at the time and the same exact thing is happening by the glittering dreams of the Saudi petrodollar . Under the unfailing guidance and brotherhood of the Saudi King . While at it , why not Basra ? So that damned Iraqi Shia will be denied all sorts oilwells and will not allowed to cause a ruckus in the new glorious land of Santa Turgut . Plus they should be denied entry to Najaf and Karbala (as they are in English) and perhaps they will give up being Shia under pressure . This will happen , because you know Americans are Christians and Iraqis will fight them to death , but Arabs are our brothers and they will welcome us with flowers . As them Americans are lost in the desert , because they don't know how to ride camels -as the top aide of Saddam or the Iraqi Foreign Minister once said . Meanwhile we Turks will do everything Santa Turgut asks of us , because he needs to be a conqueror to get a rep that's required to demolish Anıtkabir and feed the bones of Kemal to the dogs , in case they remain . The head of Army had to resign as America needed to explain what was happening . Nothing remains still ; the Republic spent decades to convince the West that this country is not of camels ; as a museum guide ı once had some minutes of verbal wrestling with a British tourist that what he would love to think is wrong . That we are a synthesis of so many things and not just white skin "Arabs" which is "obviously" inferior to being Arabs which is still "obviously" beneath being British . All of which simply boils down to whether people ride camels in Turkey or not . The official translator of the museum was there as well , she contributed an equal amount of minutes . Trust New Turkey , the latest tourism ads naturally stress that you can ride camels in Turkey ...
this is the 1980s and am like 30 years away from joining some weird Turkish language only forum and just a student in the Anatolian High and the school principal has issued some new rules that ban the girls in the school dormitory from being outside after 21.00 and so on and this is like the end of the world and all the students will go and talk some sense to him that this is Atatürk's Turkey . ı trailed the column after it became ever hotter when the principal dude declared he was so great a man and the students so little that each day he produced excrement that was longer than the height of students . "Muslims" are awesome , man , so confident of themselves . And he wasn't much taller than me , too , now that ı actually checked him to decide where he was storing that much . As repeatedly mentioned a couple times already , the dormitory no longer stands ; not only the number of "quality" schools have increased over time to decrease the need for kids from other towns to come here , but "Muslims" deny every possible state controlled venue , so that they can brainwash the kids more throughly . The guy who gave me exam papers (in the installments above) came a couple of years later . Was also an Islamist , looked "excessively" Eastern compared to this guy's outright European lines , had far less flashy ties and all that . You know , all the caricatures of the period had Westerners as good people and Easterners as the scheming agents of backwardness . But ı can't seriously imagine the latter would bring excrement to a discussion that involved charged opinions on why student girls had to be indoors after a given hour , because say drug dealers might target them with kinda more money and no immediate parental guidance and so on .
has relevance to a discussion on Kurds' referandum vote for Independence because the "Muslims" and seperatists reinforced each other , non stop and most effectively . Should have led to howls of protest but let's keep on ... With all the footage of non-stoppable ISIL stopped and defeated by the heroic struggle of the Kurds . ı seriously can not understand why am not getting a dozen LOLs for each post ı make here , so have started checking the off topic section of a different gaming forum . No predatory actions , too . Just to get a view of places where ı could have been "challenged" . Anyhow 5 guys ı think to be from Turkey , from what they say in their posts . The only one with a "modern" Turkish name is the seperatist activist as far as he implies . The Leftist has an Ottoman type nick . The pro-Kemalist dude doesn't appear much lately but he and the remaining two are undecipherable ; theirs might be Latin versions of names from the nomadic era . The modern type name lolled the pro-Kemalist dude much , because the latter's worldview can never compete with A-K-P and he too should join the seperatists or something . The remaining two are regular linkers , many websites referred in defence or offence of whatever the topic might be ; and in regular combat against the Greeks , who are much more active when compared to the Greeks of this site , ı should say . The Leftist seems kinda stung over the referandum ; especially since the modern name type , contrary what one would rightly expect , unflinchingly supports the feodals' bid to power . You know , preferring having oil wells to equal presence of all classes and the like .
oh , the class thing . A former number 2 of the seperatists is in jail in Turkey , turned over by Barzani for a bag of dollars . This number 2 guy is of course a classic case . The "abduction" of a girl in Turkey is not clear cut ; she might have eloped or it might be a case of rape and keeping her by force . Apparently the number 2 guy was a result of the latter option . His father an oppressive feodal , repeatedly beating him and his mother , keeping them in the stables , out of the proper house . No doubt with constant reminders that he should never fail in keeping the animals , because they were more valuable than him . Suffering at the hands of the "legitimite" brothers as well , with their mother legally married . He escapes as soon as he can , joining the dear seperatist leader to start the "armed struggle" . Oh , you expect the family drama , don't you , he raiding the house , slapping the "legitimate" brothers just as they had beaten him for years or at least dignifiedly telling them this is what they deserve and all that ? No sir , the "legitimate" brothers are active in the political branch of the seperatists , being no doubt more valuable in the eyes of the feodal father ; while the number 2 could well be shot as a "dog" . Number 2 was actually the bargaining chip for the more valuable brothers , allowing to demand this or that or their unwanted brother might come one night .
ı actually don't blame the Kurds for 125 is what ı use for the number of the tribes in the East . If one tribe does the right thing and gets the neighbouring pinned as an enemy of the state , the state might wipe out the neighbouring tribe and all the villages and pastures will belong to the loyal one on the principle of any vacuum will be filled . As much as a Neutron bomb clears out cities from human vermin or something . On the other hand , those people do not live on the moon and follow world the world as much as ı and you do . Like in 1975 America abandons Kurds in Iraq , while their victory was , you know , so much assured or something . If America will favour a 'stan , stupid Ankara can not keep anything . Hence any tribe which doesn't join the Righteous fight will be wiped out . Kemalists would spare kids , the new Kurdish state would not . What seperatists sell as Kurdish intellectuals refusing assimilation at the hands of oppressive Turks and organizing a Liberation movement while studying at Turkish schools , is one long period of bargaining . The tribes ask for the best . Some are convinced , some aren't . Still it takes Santa Turgut , with so many Kurds in his bloodline , to come to power , with promises of turning the other cheek to the very biggest feodals if their sons are caught collecting the eldest daughters of commoners for a week's use . And the Kurdish PR will never tell you that the average seperatist is the very "demographic" that would support the Republic most if there had been any serious thing to uproot the feodals for good . Tribes naturally have malcontents , losers who are much more profitable if used as cannon fodder and funeral processions to bring more of the "demographic" into action . Keeping the valuable sons from fire and death with their "sacrifice" .
when ı was 17 or something ı would be collecting weeklies and in one there was the case of the Anatolian High of Diyarbakır . ı knew of the cost of winning the exams to Anatolian Highs , practically impossible if you didn't take extra lessons , study centers and all that . Once , years before ı was 17 , the school was selling all the textbooks of the year as a package and it must have been the very first time for me to go such "shopping" . Alone , with money in the pocket . 500 liras , it must be , so much money for me , right ? Checking the pocket to see that it's safely tucked inside . The cost ? 5 000 liras and more , actually cheap as the school would have a massive discount and all . ı walk all the way back home , telling mother that it's too much and ı could have them photocopied and stuff . She gave me money , ı saved money by walking back to the school and walking back . ı knew a little bit about the "sacrifices" of education . So , people from the Diyarbakır Anatolian go to the mountains , the weekly tells me . They had a birthday party in the class , in absentia , for a boy that has joined . The whole class would be in tears when the bodies began to arrive . This confused yours idiotly . For the weekly is a "liberal" one , they print breasts on the cover and espouse Leftist ideology inside and are never shy a single moment after any lenghty tirades on Capitalism exploiting women . Hammering that it's unjustices of the economic order that drive the poor Kurds to the mountains . If poor , how did the birthday boy get into the Anatolian High ? If sparkingly good a student and that's how , what a sadness as he has managed to find a rapport with the rich kids , for ı obviously could have never done that ! And if himself rich , why does he go up ? How am ı to know that the feodal father has 10 sons and early 1980s look like it will crumble so soon , either Iraq or Iran throwing the towel and 'stan established and it's a race against time and some 15 year old kid should join to prove the family was always loyal to a Kurdish nation state .
what passes as evil Turks killing innocents and Kurds forced to take up arms to defend themselves is a tribal fight . People fighting for who will become the governors and owners of companies as oil wealth starts flowing in . people never doubting as 30 , 40 years of American foreign policy solely directed to create a Kurdish nation state . Americans themselves find it most unbelievable , ı have myself seen , but anyhow . And "Muslims" wholeheartedly agreeing . The inability to defeat the seperatists hurts . Cannon fodder gets mown down , it's the last cave with the feodals' valuable sons cornered . Santa Turgut intervenes and stops operations in the area , because that would hurt , you know , "Democracy" . Next year , the cannon fodder is replaced all ready and the feodals' sons are touring the villages to show they are well nigh impossible to defeat . While "Muslims" prove Islam is the only bond that can keep the country and more people should be made school principals so that more people can tell students that tha cr_p of a "Muslim" is more imposing than the student's silly ideas . The Army is visibly failing to kill the seperatists , right ? Santa Turgut is out of the game altogether as he dies in '93 but who cares ? America is protecting Northern Iraq without the slightest care in the world , the new Goverment still needs the feodal vote and everybody knows while the female Prime Minister talks so tough and lets death squads free , it's all about who will control the drug traffic , not anything related to impose the borders of Lausanne to stay . A-K-P comes right before the American invasion of Iraq as window dressing . An Islamist moderate thing , that supports gays and stuff , does not smash windows of alcohol shops , whatever . America orders the Turkish Army to Ambar , the Sunni Triangle , away from 'stan , with no possibility of protection of routes of communications from seperatist and US Special Forces dressed as seperatists , into an hell where we will bear the whole brunt of Baathist revenge , non stop seperatist attacks that creates ever bigger carnages and the godless secular Kemalists will dare to oppose and blame moderate Muslims , the very people the world needs just as Bin Ladin has brought down the Towers but handily missed the so called American President , reading Billy the Goat to the kids . You know , after the Moroccans proved the links of at least 10 of the attackers to Bin Ladin and most recent orders to "do something together" in the US .
even in this , America gets cold feet in the very last moment and like every single Kurdish MP of the A-K-P votes NO to a Parliamentary decision that allows the basing of US troops in country for the invasion and sends ours abroad . We , traitorous Turks , look like have learned the American way of war with people reported to bein Iraq , with luggages of US bills , with one guy reputedly really seeing the lights of Basra on the horizon . We might buy Arabs , you know , to hit US troops as they are covering Kurds attacking ours . Last minute drastic change . Not enough votes to pass the resolution and the then Speaker of the Parliament is long taken to be a member of the Congregation for this treason . In case you don't know , there was a quick second attempt which silently passed , because America needed our bases . For the invasion of Iraq . Let's just avoid how much the Iraqis were out of steam and how ı might have taken Baghdad by Day 2 with a dumb , down to Earth , gravity parachute regiment , you know , without involving Galactica's space Marine Detachment at all . No sir , it's the fault of Turkey , because our back stabbing at the Parliament was what stopped the 4th Infantry of US from joining the fight in time and Saddam's finest escaped the Righteous Destruction at the hands of American troops and started the bloody fighting of Sunnis , which in time evolved into ISIL . Nobody will be much reporting on this , ı know , but that parliamentary vote was like for 4 or 5 years was the single reason Arabs were supposed to love us and welcome us with flowers as we abolished the Republic and went beyond borders to embrace our brothers as "Ottomans" . Currently it's treason that denied a presence in Iraq that might have deterred Barzani bunch . 1984 ? Nothing on par with the movie , 'cause we are not fighting one or two thirds of the world yet .
