Kurdish Independence Referendum

so this is how it works :


there's a limit to the length of posts ; nobody likes walls of texts and so on . The spoiler below contains two posts from the Qatar thread , a crisis which started as a sword of Damocles thing to scare us to accept the referandum with out stuff . If not , economic crisis and civil war ... If accepted , civil war deferred a couple of years . We will see what happenz and stuff . The one at the bottom will point to the one on top , no need to follow them on that page .



and of course Xenforo being idiotic to say the least it doesn't lead to the posts but to the page . Look for posts numbered 282 and 298 ...


this second spoiler points to the edit of my first post in this thread , space issues and all

and post number 27 . Death to Xenforo .




part 4 , might see edits to add more

Spoiler :


it has been a non-stop event . Europe was behind the A-K-P as individual rights were improved . Not that ı have any single right to oppose that but let's just remember South Cyprus was taken into the EU as the public here was awash with rights and more rights . Rauf Denktaş has been kinda over ambitious many many times , and he nearly blew up the landings in Cyprus . Not , as the Greeks already knew we were coming . So ? Denktaş is like bona fide a hero of the country in the 20th Century . He was declared a traitor in Ankara , and every body was like in applause . Because the Kemalists hate the Greeks , that's why they invented the Cyprus issue . Ankara would give up the island and the island would join the EU . All the human rights was in that direction and we would get in , too . There was an Annan plan that surrendered the island and Turkish Cypriots accepted with great pleasure , thinking of the Euros that would rain down from Bruxelles . greek Cypriots rejected with great pleasure as the "veto" powers had been "removed" . Human rights were still floodingthe country though . Kemalists had killed the Armenians . Which naturally led to this Armenian journalist shot dead . As repeatedly said , some rather different kind of "Turkish patriot" he was . His death was the fault of Kemalists , even if there are so many Congregation members who will get life sentences for the murder and it's fully justified , too . "Muslims" were never at fault . They decided Kemalists had bragged far too much with the 10 000 kilometers of track they had laid back in the day ; so they brought fast trains to the country . You know , by ordering trains to run faster on rails that wouldn't support the speed . Naturally one derailed , 40 killed . The manager sacked , too . Do you know what happens ? Some journalist goes to football match and the "Muslim" watches the same game and explains what had actually happened , shouting over the din ... In 1989 , Bulgarians force thousands of Turks out . Naturally some are the agents of the Communist intelligence like this train driver . He remains hiding for 20 years and when ordered , he derails the train to sabotage the matchless advance of "Muslims" . The same "Muslims" surrendered the whole country to the Congregation and the Southeast to the seperatists . Congregation was too smart , they were so close to the US and long sidelined by the followers of Said-i Nursi , you know , some Kurd , so they basically were jealous of the seperatists and kept arresting their politicos . The start of cracks in the blissful alliance of the Party and the Congregation . Europe and America never cared . The Republic of 1923 has been the enemy of the West , however funny it might be ; no such opposition to the New Turkey .


this is why nobody is fighting for the country , in effect .

you can say anything about human rights and stuff . If a Kurd , you are entitled to them by birth right ; except you will lose them all when there is a Kurdish nation state and the rising oligarchy needs to suck the entire treasury dry . If you are a Turk , nobody cares for you ; as an enemy of mankind . There was this Armenian journalist , the guy who originated the slogan "Not enough, but yes" signifying Liberals should support the A-K-P despite all the apparent failings , as the Kemalists would never do . Unlike good Armenians , those two card carrying members of the A-K-P , he has fallen afoul of the New times and he is a refugee of sorts in Germany . He complains he hasn't been able to find a school for his child for 8 months and once thrown out of an official building for disruptive behaviour . Contrast that with the love Germany shows to the members of the Congregation , those smart ones that will return home to rule us when the need passes . Or the make believe crisis Germany conducts against New Turkey .

the fighting against the seperatists flared when there was a need to embrass the now extinct Turkish Army . Some relative of an arrested coup plotter commands a "base area" that gets attacked , 20 killed and do you know why ? He should have let it happen , to hurt the political standing of the Party to get his uncle released . The PM visits America and there is an attack that kills 7 soldiers on December 7th of some year , It happens in a province where an arrested coup plotting Colonel was born . The Colonel must have arranged it , significant because where he was born and the date , which must be some subliminal message to America . The Party and the seperatists made peace when there was no discernible opposition . It wasn't plain sailing though , the seperatists were creating liberated zones and in some demonstration some guy took down a Turkish flag from some corner of an airbase in Diyarbakır . The soldiers had been ordered to stand down . Only because it made to the TV , there was a storm ; if soldiers were patriots or something they would have shoot the guy down ... The seperatists (seeing a danger in this) surrendered a guy , whose nickname was "Arab" , for his skin colour . See, it wasn't a seperatist who took the flag down . Arabs did it . Then Party practically lost the June elections . The fighting restarted again . The Party won the November elections . Why the seperatists fell for it ? Because America promised making up any losses they suffered . The losses of the Army of Petrol and the Police ? Why , it was a brotherhood school where new kind of "imams" were indoctrinating people in "baby steps" . Also a much useful PR coup as the losses were caused by Congregation generals . Which is actually true , too .

this country actually turned a blind eye to oil smugglers who would arrive on the border with flowing beards and 200 , 500 horsemen and 2000 foot . You know , this was before ISIL rose and started propaganda that we were the Romans and they would beat us in Armageddon . Hark back to 1979 and you will see the occupiers of Kabe had transistor radios on them to listen to the progress of an Army from the North , you know the only one that has actually defended Islam over centuries , then supposedly Kemalist , march all the way through Syria and Iraq to save God's House . Saudis got bored , so they hired French as advisors and Pakistanis as boots . ISIL actually folded for the benefit of New Turkey when the Army of Petrol did stage this kinda odd coup attempt and got defeated . If they have 50 000 traitors in , why only 6 000 rise ? Because America created the system to get them in , so that they could stab the Kemalists in the back , but it became a cancer and the now extinct Turkish Armed Forces was thus killed on the cheap . But nobody cares for the Army of Petrol ? On the 500th anniversary of Mercidabık , a battle in which the Ottomans had defeated the Egyptian Memluks , they marched out to the tune of Mehter . Which would never happen had Mursi still been in charge in Cairo . He was a brother , New Turkey respects brothers as long as they are not Turkish . They heroically set out for 5000 square kilometers , but unfortunately ask for significant places on the map ; the staff kinda feeling there might still be court martials for them in some undisclosed future . America doesn't like it at all , finally allowing 2000 . So , the Army of Petrol ends up fighting beardies , you know with thousands marching from seperatist checkpoints and stuff . Though nothing to complain much about ; in Syria it happens everyday , to all sides ... And wow , everybody blows up ex-Turkish tanks . Guided anti-tank missiles exist since the Second World War , Germans used hundreds of rounds in 1945 . The Hungarians started their own programme because the Germans were so jealous and refused to share their invention . Them seperatists are Marxist Leninists , crypto Armenians and servants of Moscow , according to the narrative of the 1980s while Russians have a gazillion of ATGMs in inventory ? Or Hizbullah practically routed the Israelis in 2006 with the same and Iran supports the seperatists because they hate all the Sunnis ? Why nobody ever fired one against Turkish / ex-Turkish until 2016 ? It certainly can't be because back in the days when Turks were all cowards and today not a single New Turkey dude is a coward . Who can ever believe that it would be taken seriously back in the mists of time , if the words ATGM and rectum were used in the same sentence , the resulting threat would be considered viable ? Is being a delivery terminal for Qatari Saudi CIA TOWs a reason for the Syrians and the like to dare to take the plunge ?




If the world or me and stuff survive until Monday , the truth or something behind the darkest intelligence service of Star Trek , the bane of Klingons and Kirk alike ... You know , it becomes amazingly stupid to see all this happening only because the very fundemantalist parts of the Western Mind can not bring it self to force Ankara to give away stuff and it would be over in minutes ; they have to trick us and all that jazz .
 
oh hell , ı took the wrong USB memory , missing today's part . Anyhow , it's real easy to be funny when like everybody claims it's not a threat while the single question of referendum practically says even the lands they don't control now will join in some undefined future . With the help of a little paraphrasing . But if ı add a ton of stuff it might be "unfair" to have it liked by a guy who hadn't read the added stuff and the intention was only for what was there previously . ı have only two likes here , but Civ III related and don't know whether they can be removed . So , if the like was removed ı certainly will not be offended .
 
two posts ı have "liked" , not my posts have been "liked" by others .

[one when a modder created a scenario screen for me and the other is the download link for the Atomicgamer stuff . Otherwise am a "rabbit" , scared of all and stuff . Imagine a slightly darker future when people are oppressed and stuff because r16 liked their posts ? ]

edit on Wednesday , 4th of October , 2017

monday passes . BSS , the owner of the Whitey Homey , the very Orange Messiah , has not blown up Havana for the sonic attacks carried out by people (according to American declarations) are unlikely be Cubans . Despite those Commie losers' worldwide fame for specialising in Medicine . Which is obviously some D.C. trick to cut the number of people who travel to Cuba , so that American Right can succeed in propaganda that it is an hellhole where people await American Liberators with flowers . Not going to say it's an heaven on earth but narratives require more restrictions as dumber they become .

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and the promise : ı actually checked the relevant wiki pages of Star Trek and ı see that Section thing originates in the 1990s or something . Only TOS , some DS9 and equally limited amounts of TNG and most of the movies on TV are what ı have seen . Voyager and Enterprise , never , not a single episode . As such ı thought it was a thing with the "fakeKhan" movie , the secret service betraying the Federation at will and stuff . See , the 1990s immediately wreck my theory of how it got started as a joke . It must have been based on the Deuxime Bureu or however you write that in French , with 3-1 equals 2 . And not a play on words , by the help of a dictionary , not an insider joke . ı for one do not know if the late 1990s English used such notions . About losers who can't find sexual partners . Because , let me see , the section can spot cloaked Romulan ships , before the Federation knows cloaking exists . The surprise in the novel or story ı read indicates the Feds might not even know Romulans exist . (Although later padding up supposedly states the Vulcans and Romulans fought a war in 1944 .) Oh they have plotted and organized the Khitomer thing , which ı trust to be the case where some superior beings make weapons too hot to touch , and war impossible to fight between the Klingons and Humans and like keeping the game up for a decade , and Scotty never able to figure it out . Allow me spare the tirade on how American exceptionalism makes a joke most unaccaptable and bad people of the Federation of the 23th Century must be godlike so that the good people can be ever more godlike . This despite very passable premise of the Gorbachev movie where Kirk gets framed in the murder of the Klingon head of state and the Shakespeare quoting Klingon guy .

yes , this is exactly how all the "reforms" in Turkey have ever felt like . Just like any Trekkie worthy of the moniker would be interested there's a "declaration of intent" , rising of "expectations" , cheerful descriptions of what lays ahead . Then "qualifications" , explanations , straight evasions and not a little amount of rants , even conspiracies and the never ending charges of treason . Meanwhile the Trekkies are limited in scope and nobody cares . Yet the authors of the PR come think more and more of themselves . ı don't imagine anybody lost a single moment of sleep at the awesomest prospect of learning whatever there is to learn about some mysterious aspect of Star Trek lore , but in the finest traditions of New Turkey ı can't let this to be noticed . This post is going to be read 10 000 000 times because it's like totally the most important thing ever posted online . Everyone who denies "that" is a traitor to whatever ı defend at the moment . If the subject ı defend changes tomorrow to what everyone says , well they are traitors , accusations to be made up as required . But whatever ı say is the utmost !

is it ? Of course , not . Am not idiotic enough to believe my own BS , but it happens in disconcerting regularity in this country , "geography" and century ...

although being schooled by the best of the West readily helps . When semi-cornered , there's always a new "reform" and it becomes a different debate , a different talk with the New always right and unfailing while the rest is always wrong . Which is a good thing , because the New will send you to jail on charges of treason if you look like wrecking any narrative of theirs for good .

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yeah , this is how it works and you have to read the spoiler below ...


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this guy is the father of the current Barzani . It originates with a newspaper serial that rants on how he has betrayed Turkey , ı scanned it myself ; you can see it as evidence that ı can't scan either , with tilted to the side and all . The year is 1968 and ı will come to the lady in the end . This guy's father , as far as ı remember the serial , is a sheep thief with a tribe , but considering civilization starts with cow thiefs , this is hardly a thing to dwell on . Lives in North Iraq or thereabouts , raids and steals , opposes the Constitutional Regime of 1908 because it cuts funding from Istanbul that practically amounts to tribute so that he will behave and kill anyone that rebels or something under guidance from Western Missionaries . Missionaries are all over the place in those times and Barzani guy also expresses much love to the missionaries . Ottomans can't catch him or avoid trouble in general and give him a medal . Finally 1914 or something and the Governor of Baghdad , of Kurdish extraction himself , hangs the Barzani , with no British missionaires left in the area . Wait , instead of waging an eternal war of vengeance against the Ottomans , some relatives of the guys are most "loyal" subjects of the Porte and try to arrest or kill Mustafa Kemal on his way to the Congress of Sivas , the last step before the opening of the Parliament in Ankara . One of them will end up in Paris as the local "ambrassador" or something as this Turkish journalist of the 1960s wants to meet the Barzani of the picture .


who was the Chief of Staff of Mahabad's Army . Not knowing no foreign languages except my so so English , ı can't see anything Kurdish in that , despite it being established by the Russians who conquered Hitlerite Berlin and currently demanding some land in the East and the Straits . Goes to Russia , returns to Iraq to become number 2 or whatever in the post Hashemite Goverment . To give it up in 1961 to start an armed struggle . Nobody cares for him or his rebellion especially in Turkey . In 1966 the journalist in question is making a tour in the East , making random interviews . Random , because the road network practically does not exist , because tribes 'ing revolt when roads happen . It takes so much time to travel in the area and he collects whatever he chances upon and some tailor in some provincial town says he is a relative and he can arrange a meeting . Nobody cares . 1967 . A certain country in the Middle East defeats the Arabs badly in a war Nasser had welcomed to arrange a defeat of the Hashemite Jordan so that he could take over an Arab country in Asia . Yemen being such a drag with fight going on badly for Egypt . With Jordan he gets more bargaining power or even a second front against the Saudis . Equally worthless at the time and equally protected by the Americans . Such a disaster for Arab reputation and yeah , everybody assumes it's like 100% real and they too can go and grab some land . All the Western journalists are all over the place but no Turkish one can , because the guy in Paris (you know the plotter against Kemal) demands "recognition" . The journalist doesn't know , possibly until today , but the Turkish Goverment of 1967 is not as brave as the one of 2017 . To cut it short it takes some 660 days for the journalist to make it to North Iraq , 15 of them travelling from the border . He stays there for a month and obviously is interviewed as much as he interviews ; our dear Barzanists brothers want to gauge how they would be received as barely reformed sheep thives in a country that goes through the pangs of Industrial development on the Capitalist model . Nothing comes out of it , naturally . There's not the slightest objection in Ankara to the general assesment that the Barzanists want base areas inside Turkey and a "right" to conscript from their relatives this side of the border and it might take 10 years at most for them to "discover" they were betrayed by the British in 1926 and Hakkari and environs belong to them . Leaving only 21 provinces to demand . It would be even better for them if we could be embroiled in a war against Iraq , too . Actual patriots in State service are not that rare back then ; America wants adherence to Zionist ideals from all of its allies , instead of supporting secessionists in the Middle East Ankara like solemnly promises there will be even more dams on the rivers and we will kill all the Arabs through thirst . As America has been ordering . Dams not for contribution to economy , but "Alliance" . The West would have never allowed them otherwise .

the general arms race in the Middle East did not start with the Oil shocks of 1970 and 73 making too much money for the OPEC members either . America didn't want Kurds as Turkish proxies -despite all the Kemalist baggage that would have prevented that in the first place . And this left Iran . We were somehow still too big , so Iran had to "expand" in an easier direction . Success begats success , Kurds impressed and flocking to the Iranian banner , breaking Iraq . Not through the Shia Iraqis as they represented a threat to the Shah , but "total" success would negate the influence of the Mullahs . Meant possibility of war and Shah was a good boy , he would be given his price hikes so that he could buy some weapons . The stone ageism of the Saudis could not bear this nor their British mercenaries / expatriates could fly all of what Riyadh could buy . So they started supporting Egypt , buying Mirages for them , negating Kaddafi buying Mirages for Egypt and thus gaining more kudos from Washington . Israel and America are not that good friends , with Tel Aviv hating all those Mirages , despite America and France co-producing the Nesher/Kfir line for Israel in addition to all the Phantom/Skyhawk deliveries . Tel Aviv calls on Tahran to increase expenditure to pressure Riyadh to defend itself and Saudis doing so , decreasing the edge of Iranians over the Iraqis and so on . Iran in the end was to have 14s, 16s , 18Ls , an interest in the 20 and was also talking about 15E in the days USAF was totally refusing to have some . Like 1972 or so .


then the shocking October of 1973 . Then the far less noticeable July of 1974 . While the first one filled Arabs with pride and proved Western interventions could be bloodily repulsed with Russian SAMs , the latter implied we could still fight . Even the Shah gave up on the Kurds just as America turned the other cheek as Saigon fell . It was not a good time to start new wars . All those purchases were starting to drag the Iranian economy down as Khomeini was playing his game far too well . Shah was about to try his luck elsewhere , Russians were getting bitter about his full co-operation with America, already discussing Afghanistan and we looked like cracking into bits with the Left -Right bloodbaths picking up speed . Yeah , you guessed it right , liberation of Kurds , pay the tribal chieftains a couple of millions of dollars . As the "heaviest" segment of the Kurds "frees" itself , the others will follow suit and the Arab response will be a bloody repression . Because the Western Turkey will be too busy to take notice . Because the Iranians in the end will appear as saviours with their massive amounts shiny new American weapons . And guess what , the Kurdish danger will be decreased with all the casulaties they will inevitably suffer as the entire anti-Turkish equipment the two Baathist Arab countries stock are used on them . So easy . Like any worthwhile history of the Iranian upheavals will have a segment on the UFOs that now visited Tahran .

do not rush to conclusions or get excited or anything . You gotta know that at this juncture the Shah was a junkie , opium and stuff and Iranians like having Turks as neighbours . We may not be the best of people but we don't raise problems simply because we are bored . It was as harebrained as it sounds , the liberation of oppressed people and everything falling into place without a single hitch because Americans say it will be so ? The very same Americans like Ross Perot , openly robbing Iran at the time ? Oh , yeah , "Esteemed Shahinshah there was a light in the sky and we scrambled a Phantom but its radar couldn't lock on. Yes, Shahinshah, we also scrambled a Tomcat and it couldn't either , but let's keep this as deterrence. Sure, Shahinshah... Turks have no Alien allies. Nor any allies on the planet! This I can assure of you, but let's delay it for a couple of months." This would be an awesome conversation starter in a bar or a pub but America didn't laugh . There was an arson attack on a movie theater , with ı think 200 or more deaths and Humeyni (as we spell his name) thought it was time . Carter could have ended it in moments , but he threatened the Iranian generals with all sorts of stuff . People demonstrating against absolute rule ; soldiers visibly ready to fire and yet won't . This is where Revolutions succeed and thrones fall . And "Islam" as an American weapon gets into full bloom .


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important thing to note : Claiming nothing at all about nothing . Jirinovsky of Russia always claimed having a sonic gun and not even he's bragging . It's a so spectacular US trick that Americans are themselves trying hard not to laugh while reading the news . They couldn't kill Fidel in what 50 attempts , either . UFO is a straight Iranian thing that neatlly saved their country . While they still had an 8 year war with Iraq , a war against Turkey would bring isolation to both countries and Iraq and all the Sunnis opening a "Second Front" as quickly possible anyhow . They didn't think America loved "Muslims" that much either ... Enough to start the age of guys who roll towels to their heads and stuff



well , this is the place where Monday's post ends . With no "end" to the picture , as you would have seen . Me watching too much TV ; and also the basic standart of New Turkey , promised but never delivered . Even if logic dictates todays might well be the last posts in the thread ; as the Western "decision making" wants the "crisis" safely wrapped : No media hype , no nothing and ı don't think there is enough "feeling" anyhow .
 
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No, no. A referendum which represents only 7% of local population, and even those vote under the barrel of a gun, is totally absolutely galactically illegitimate!!! I am so offended by this farce that going to put some awareness ribbon to my Facebook avatar soon, just let me finish eating my cake first! And for all you haters to know this is a cisgender white totalitarian racist male north-korean cake, because no way you force me to cruelly devour a liberal freedom loving baby south-korean cake!
 
Iraq won't accept an independent Iraqi Kurdistan naturally, because it's a slap in the face of their natural sovereignty.

Syria won't accept an independent Iraqi Kurdistan because Syrian Kurdish forces control an uncomfortable amount of their own territory in an already fragile atmosphere.

Turkey likewise would fear the knock-on domino effect - its own Kurdish separatists have had a bit of an upswing in bombings and attacks in recent years.

Iran has, in previous decades, stoked the fires of an independent Iraqi Kurdistan, but right now their primary aim is cozying up with the Shia-led Iraqi parliament.

The US want to stand by Turkey and not lose Iraq to the orbit of their designated foe Iran.

Russia have been buddying up with both Iran and Turkey of recent, and they also want to keep Syria in tow.

Result: Kurdistan ain't really got no-one they can turn to.

No, look for something which Isreal.

Israel can't do much to ensure Kurdistan's physical survival should they go independent.
 
I just keep wondering about the inevitable blockade Kurdistan would be under. Unless they engage in some creative border drawing that would put the British, French, and Soviets to shame, I don't see any way to get Kurdistan sea access. Rather, they will be completely surrounded by countries, who having just lost territory to the brand-new Kurdistan, likely aren't going to be too eager to sign trade deals. What then? Kurdistan flies all their stuff in and out of the country?
 
I just keep wondering about the inevitable blockade Kurdistan would be under. Unless they engage in some creative border drawing that would put the British, French, and Soviets to shame, I don't see any way to get Kurdistan sea access. Rather, they will be completely surrounded by countries, who having just lost territory to the brand-new Kurdistan, likely aren't going to be too eager to sign trade deals. What then? Kurdistan flies all their stuff in and out of the country?

So, are you saying that Kurdistan needs a "corridor to the sea"... :mischief:
 
I just keep wondering about the inevitable blockade Kurdistan would be under. Unless they engage in some creative border drawing that would put the British, French, and Soviets to shame, I don't see any way to get Kurdistan sea access. Rather, they will be completely surrounded by countries, who having just lost territory to the brand-new Kurdistan, likely aren't going to be too eager to sign trade deals. What then? Kurdistan flies all their stuff in and out of the country?

The only country which would be losing territory to form Kurdistan is Iraq.

Outside of Iraq, there are currently no proposed plans for border re-drawing as far as Erbil is concerned.

Of course, doesn't make their lives any much easier.
 
a very short summary of my posts so far , with spoilers added to #45 on this page . There's no opposition to 'stan in New Turkey , despite the loud talk and Iran's activities are solely about ensuring Turkey is the 3rd , not the 4th in this "Liberation" of the Kurds . 1st Iraq and 2nd Syria have taken so much wind out of the sails of the US that Iranians are readily believing the 3rd will suffer a lot and the 4th will survive .



before returning to my rant ı should also the entire Syrian Civil War is being fought over "access to the sea" and those who won't let Barzani to wash his feet in the Med can also shoot down any planes going to 'stan . But then again , nobody opposes the Kurdish thing and one would have really to read the stuff . Basic idea being Barzani officially claims at least 22 provinces of Turkey apart from up to Mersin as ports and the whole world trembles at the prospect . Imagine what would have they have all done if we really had flying saucers and up ...

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the Qatar / Referandum combination has led to massively increased tax rates for auto owners , 40% , raised to 68% for higher powered vehicles . Everybody talks on it - nobody "notices" income taxes increasing . Everybody keeps harping on the 40% ; we hear it is an heroic move that aims to curb imports and creating some space for the "local and national" car brand to come . Which happens because the age of the internal combustion is to end one of these days and like every car company outta there is selling 100% Turkish designs , to New Turkey . 100% Local and National , even if no Turk ever saw them before it was presented to the officials ... ı grew up with the tale of Nasser's awesomestly great electronics achievement , the biggest vacuum tube factory of the world constructed in Egypt . You know , when transistors came to stay . We really had one of these old tabletop radios , like 1 meters long with "less" height and width . It might have crushed me to death as a toddler if it slipped or something . And many of those portables that ı could lift and move around . See , sometimes it's impossible not to see what lays ahead ; and it falls to Nationalists of the rest to underwrite the costs of industrial revolutions of the "Advanced World" ... The future will of course see a declaration in 20 years on how auto companies have deceived the Party while they went all electric and do not allow the sale of ecologically dirty Turkish cars and stuff ; while the Zİonists force Africans and the like to betray the most "Muslim" New Turkey . It's down to banks to oppose the tax hikes that has been levied on them , and working backwards , too . If raised this month , they have to pay taxes of the last month with new rates . Americans rebelled against the King for taxes , right ? ı would love to see the Wall Street dudes if this was done to them . The banks are of course the "rearguard" , their cries of the anguish prove the enemies of New Turkey are hurt and the Goverment is right . And the people who vote for the Party will not notice they are paying more . Unlike their "belief" that they will eventually live free on the backs of the rest of the country . Oh , why do we need the money for ? Party needs TV Channels , businessman buys one , gets a profitable contract back . Say a bridge over the "finger" of Marmara Sea , and let's say that is one rare project that makes actual sense . Businessman gets into a consortium of companies . Company money builds the bridge , the Goverment in returns a minimum number of users . If actual numbers of traffic falls short , it will be paid by the Goverment . Okay , seems good . The newspaper carries the debacle , 14 million plus "car equivalents" guaranteed , 6 million happens . At 65 liras that 8 millions to be paid by the State should be 520 millions ? The newspaper can not dare mentioning this , for it's half of the grab from the banks . Just one bridge and the sad thing is it was done by a Japanese company , despite bragging on the technological breakthroughs and the whole lot since the Party took over from the godless precesdessors . A steel part failed the tests and the Japanese guy responsible committed harakiri for it .


oh no , nothing on money being grabbed by the "Muslims" . It's "Defence" . Just like Arab kings have long buying weapons to influence Western / Eastern attitude towards them . Say , Qatar . Flying a top end fighter requires a combination of physical and mental abilities that's admittedly rare . With a population of 300 000 , discounting the dishwashers and houseservants , Qatar could conceivably could have 3 pilots they could have put in a 9 to 15G fight . Add some older dudes and stuff and as the "Hope of the Ummah" they can have a "national" airforce of 8 planes , which is more than enough to police their airspace and the lot . They asked for 72 F-15s ; precudural delays and Trump's reluctance combines to cut down to 36 . Then 24 Rafales from France . Then 24 Eurofighters from (basically) UK . Apparently Doha has even sounded for the "appointment" of Congregation's boys sacked after the Disgrace of July 15th , and trust me ı'd never be surprised if it happened ... This despite the recent destruction of a Typhoon over Yemen . As far as ı know the Jihadis are yet to down a Western jet ; the Jordanian pilot they burned alive was supposedly shot down by the Emirati wingman and stuff so that the pilot^s clan , readily partial to ISIL , could be turned against the King of Jordan . Weird ? Jihadis operate on the principle that the Islam will be divided into 73 parts and 72 will burn in Hell and theirs is the only one for Heaven . Nor ı ever claimed ISIL was here to stay , right ? Fracturing countries , turning one against the other , destroying calm , sowing chaos , this is how the value of the oil money increases and each 100 dollar bill kills more men and rapes and kills more women . Yet , Yemen is a slaughterhouse for Western types not only with the civilians they murder but with 6 or 7 now down . No F-15Es of USAF yet though , they avoid the area for some reason . When an American helicopter crashed in Yemen as part of the collisons in the Pasific or something , ı checked some website and saw a claim even the site owner could not believe . Remember , no hint of a connection and actually like no reference to the helicopter but the Saudis have failed to destroy the Yemeni Air Force on the ground , some 34 MiG-29s have been liberated by good Yemenis and are now flying alongside the Sunni terrorflieger and no doubt they are the ones who murder Yemeni civilians with their dumb bombs , not the good hearted Bentley driving Sunni warriors of the air .

what does this do in thread about Kurdish referandum ? Simple . Even the introduction of Hollywood into the game with the 300 Spartans slaying all the Persian ninjas , the West , with due reference to the traditions of what ı will call social networking in the interests of making this something else than a typical Dan Brown novel , fears Iran . Barack spineless jerk Obama formalized the US-Iran alliance started in the reign of Bush II , in the same timeframe of the destruction of the now extinct Turkish Armed Forces gaining speed . Spineless jerk allowed the Yemeni operation to distract Iran from full interference in Syria , after the incredible inability of A-K-P for invading and toppling Esad . Previous installments offer a glimpse of how Iran , the archenemy of Democracy created a buffer zone of horsebandits ( you now when under Islamic occupation for centuries at the time) after some hapless Roman emperor slipped on a banana or something . This is a very secular assesment you are reading and it's really rare at those circles where people "believe" in the Christian God and place us Turks directly under the influence of the Devil , the former Archangel . The West fears the existance of Persian ninjas who now throw lazer beams from their eyes . They have wasted the heydays of ISIL struggling to start a Turkish-Iranian war so that ninjas will not give SA-40s and above to us . These are magical MANPADS systems and stuff that would allow us to hit American planes providing CAS to their boots on the ground , the seperatists , as they herd us into concentration camps and gas chambers . Magical because they don't actually exist , just like Stinger TOST doesn't . A play on the words of Stinger POST which exists or existed . As part of kinda cruel mockery of endless American demands on info about the status of Iranian systems when people had not retired . It's only because the make believe air forces of the Arabs can not sustain the prolonged operations over Yemen and mistakes happen in maintenance and in flight and cause accidents . Which are then blacked over because the basic facts is Americans hate the Gulf Arabs , out of simple racism and more and just the same for Gulf Arabs against Americans , for all the models and stuff they buy for the night do not even respect them , even when they are still in the same room . Forcing a requirement for an enemy that can bind them all . Makes Iraq to be the most dangerous country in the world to be a fighter pilot , especially if you are a veteran of the 1980-88 war . Both Jihadis and America's finest want it believed secretly that evil Russians leaked and gauss autocannons to mass drivers were tested against the Iraqis . Anyone who then says "LOL, what? I was there and saw nothing. The Iranians were just people like us." is then invariably shot and Iranians are framed , because of their jealousy of the Iraqis' remarkable successes in endurance during the war . It's in vested interests of the West and the famed Sunni Bloc ...



incredible you say ? Actually explains why the A-K-P , long slated to be stabbed in the back as the as the groundwork was complete , is now allowed to be partners with Iranians in the oppression of the Kurds , you know , after America clearly indicated it would not "support" Barzani for the referandum . Wasting the glorious opportunity created by ISIL . Impossible , you say ? America elected a guy who would brag about grabbing women in the street , with full clearance to Putin to mess with the election process . There are times my jaw still drops as American "wisdom" is discussed .

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have said many times that ı download anything downloadable from the web . Some book , written by this journalist named Kinzer or something . A "valued" observer of the scene of Turkey , speaks a so so Turkish so appears on TV during the times when Democracy is coming to Turkey . Shows Democracy is good and the old has no future . Now driven out , he would be certainly returned from the border or airport if he tried to enter the country , possibly spoke too much for the Congregation . His chapter on the 1980s and on is "unbelievable" , but not to anyone in the West . Kurds suppressed long and heavily . Can't take it any more , rebel and fight the brutal Army to a standstill . Is on travel , gets stopped at a checkpoint , has tea with 3 officers . Those fools incredibly blame foreign goverments of inflaming the situation . A guy like Kinzer is not the one to write what you have seen in these instalments . He probably will even believe what he preaches . That the numerically vast Army was finally down to burning villages to fight the heroic Kurds . An hour to leave ; people can go anywhere they like but the animals and all are shot and houses burned . See , am not going to say that didn't happen . Am going to say that would not have happened , at least in that frequency , before the Desert Shield / Storm /Sword and the 36th Parallel thing . Mao says guerilla is the fish that hides in the sea of local population , catching fish is tough if the population intends to hide the fish . 1980s see no such stuff , because even with Santa Turgut in charge , it's some speck over the horizon . In the 1990s , it's an absolute "truth" , America will establish 'stan and all the tribes "must" join . Dry the sea , let the fish to carry tons of flour and all the stuff he needs to survive the winter or to fight in the summer and let's see what happens . Bigger dumps of logistics that can be discovered , more frequent columns of supply that can be ambushed . Kinzer's heroic Kurds do not make stands , they do hit and runs , they are cut to shreds and justifiably , too , when superior firepower finds them . The Turkish State fears they will be left in the lurch with 'stan happening and no compensating thing given back . Having lost much of the hearts and minds in the 1980s even with out starting , because Santa Turgut's ANAP will use that as a tool to "Muslimize" the country , power is applied . America is there , using Chinooks to supply the seperatists , wrecking a Turkish destroyer in a NATO exercise by "accident" . Bosnians are wantonly killed as a failure of secular Turkey that fails to exercise what the Serbs feared , while Jihadists are given an easy boost as Chechens rebel and bankrupt Russians fail to apply power as like only they can . Kosova gets it much lighter as full scale NATO airpower is there to justify the breaking up of borders , so unlike the treaties and stuff Reagan signed . What's the heroic seperatists doing at that time ? Defeated , their value to international actors is low , beyond belief . Syria does not opt for war in 1998 , throws the dear seperatist leader out . It happens to be only in Kinzer that Americans have poured assets to Kenya after the Embassy attacks of El Kaide and have like a hundred agents on the ground . Foolish Greeks , after the heroic Greek driver "attempted" to kill the dear seperatist leader but actually wrecked the Turkish plane sent in to collect him by ramming the wingtip , runs away to Africa ... You know , not because those 100 agents would keep the dear seperatist leader safe and put him into some C-130 as the 101th American agent in the middle of the night and whisk him away to safety . No , as usual , Washington can not know what to do for a moment . Instead stabs the Greeks in the back and makes a parcel of the greatest evah Kurd .

beware of Americans bearing gifts or what ? The Coalition Goverment stretches arms wide open to hug this World Bank official . Of Turkish extraction he willl be given the powers of some "Roman Consul" to rape the economy . To fix it . Coalition pays the price , A-K-P comes the power and reaps the benefits of the fixed economy . Despite Kinzer's piece on how Turks do not respect the courts and laws and we are just a mob to lynch the innocent , the dear seperatist leader gets his best years. Controlling his terrorist organization without a single fear of retribution , in some island prison inside Turkey . Because America loved a Robben Island situation to bring out the guy as Nelson Mandela II . Once my late father got a few days work on the seaside . We see the island and the owner of house (some minor official of the State , certainly not related to "Security" in any way) and he says that's not the one and it's like on the other side of Marmara or stuff to that effect . Oh , did ı say the World Bank guy started a rebellion in the Coalition Goverment to establish a "Republican" and "secular" Party , convinced so many Ministers that they had the support of Washington and simply vanished for 10 days so that the shame would heavily taint the center Left , demolishing everything including the awesome success of catching the dear seperatist leader ? People have betrayed their leader and yet wait their "star" to appear and take charge . Media lauding them as America's choice , respectful attitude from Governors as they organize rallies and replace Kemal's work with an humane , entirely New Left ? Like a hundred times . Did ı also say the supposed leader of that New Party died comparatively young , because of cancer ? This is the first time , maybe ... But he would have opposed the World Bank guy to re-appear in the political scene whenever the Main opposition needs a brake or something . That elections of 2002 was also awesome as the business guy who broke the Right , with "stars" giving concerts at every rally and his TV Channel doing every possible thing . 6% he took means so much in a country where you don't get seats in the Parliament if you tallied less than 10% nationwide . Center Right utterly defeated and A-K-P taking two thirds of the seats with one thirds of the vote . He has democratically been driven out of the country and guess what , ı don't care a rat's backside .


feodals also being fully in . We have seen Santa Turgut Islamizing the country through the seperatists . They are godless Armenians but somehow also utterly uncatchable . So we need to depend on other Kurds , not as equal citizens of the same country but as Jihadists . We gotta respect them not because a State serves those who serve it , but they are our only defence . "Muslim" Kurds are thus allowed to kill tribesmen they don't like and frame the seperatists . take their pick out of drug trade , take over burned villages if they like it . Their better boys are taken into State service so that they can get assigned to Western parts of the country , to assist in laundering of ever increasing amounts of dirty money . Seperatists on the other hand execute agents of TC , a belittling of the Republic , while everybody else they murder is like toally a "victim" of the State oppression . They claim agents of the state murder Kurds and frame them the seperatists . Nothing particularly bad for business . If drug trade is much too dangerous there's always the fact that leaderships of both the Party and Congregation hate smoking . As the costs of "official" tobacco is raised to astronomical levels or something to make people quit , contraband cigarettes fill the void . You know with Barzani running the factories .

ah , the ever present Congregation . Actually it must be possible to sketch a graphic of correlation between the bloodshed and the rise of the members in the military hierarchy . 1984 is the first year they are now officially accused of stealing exam questions before and winning most of the positions in military schools . That covered or something by some Center or slightly Center left journalist given unlimited access to military schools to assure the people that Kemalism was a very strong "religion" there and there was nothing to suspect this new generation . 1992 would be right about time that they graduated as Lieutenants and become instant heros . Close combat is dangerous though , liable to kill too many Lieutenants , so after some period of trial which America checks how brave they are and how crafty , a cooling period that matches the travails of the seperatists with no country in the West supporting them anymore and East not counted anymore . Then the 21st century with so many in command and staff positions where they can set up the engagements to their liking . Incredible fact about the gods of war . Them seperatists , despite being so heroic and of stern constitution , can not carry their machine guns and stuff any much further than any mortal can do . Meaning the .50 caliber Russian made guns have to be carried on mules on their way to attack outposts . With Congregation controlling the decision making process , those mules on way to a Congregation controlled military location is declared Terrorist and artillery , attack helicopters and stuff . Any mule convoy to a location controlled by an officer not in the Congregation is labelled smugglers . Life is hard there in the mountains and we must respect smugglers and 5 , 10 , 20 martyrs . Families cry and governors , politicians , commanders all give fancy speeches .

nobody ever asked me but like in 1988 or so ı bought this still impressive book , dealing with special forces and stuff : While printed before 1986 , it says Russians finally discovered it was more profitable to fight mules instead of massive search and destroy operations that inevitably ended in Russian helicopters dropping raped Afghan village women to break the will of the remaining population . With interlocking fields of fire from well defended outposts , practically impervious to insurgent level fire . To engage convoys safely with long range fire and forcing them to areas where they could be ambushed by Spetsnaz . The Mujaheddeen had it much tougher by this way and the arrival of the Stinger was a result , according to official US view . Russians went into the forts thing even more resolutely and was practically on the verge of a breakthrough , when Gorbachev opted to get out , thinking Reagan had his lesson and would behave instead of getting trounced in proxy warfare . SDI was too "impressive" , Russians feel utterly cheated .


the New Turkey of course invented the "Kalekol" , the combination of a "fort" and "police station" , only when the "Muslims" could be assured of getting all the contracts and benefit from their kinda massive cost . Oh , cries of the anguish from the seperatist media , on how a kalekol is against the human rights . And this was at a time when the Party had surrendered whole towns to the seperatists in the "Solution Process" in which the New Turkey was dissolving the State or something instead of solving the decades long hatred with brotherhood . Oh , any armchair general will tell you static defences are a waste of time and resources, even more so in a Counter Insurgency situation . Oh , ı could tell you they were building them all in case there was a blowback and Turks attempted to take the country back . Today there is not a single person in Turkey that will NOT tell you Congregation did whatever America told it to do . 2-3000 less soldiers killed , 2-3000 more seperatists killed , what an horrible thought !


the Congregation's was a particularly well oiled mechanism . Some province in the East , this time with a Turkish majority or something . This girl of 15 finally goes to the Police and says people have been sexually taking advantage of her . She has been "dirtied" as the phrase goes in Turkish at the age of 9 through incest ; she can't stop people blackmailing her . Interview begins , she gives 84 names . Normal , sorta . Soon becomes not normal . Because one of the accused is a brother of the spritiual leader of the Congregation . Another is the son of the first , nephew of the second . One would have assumed they would have followed Islamic rules regarding marriage and one of them would desist from "taking" her , but hey , this is actually assuming they care about Islam or something . The official is naturally freaked out , considering this takes place in 2007 when the rule of terror is just beginning in the West , while everybody in the East is more Rightist and fully aware of what might happen . Phones another official to ask what he should do . 5 minutes . In 5 minutes , because all the phones are tapped and Congregation doesn't want it known that they are not against what destroyed places like Gomorrah , the Governor's aide calls the official , to report to the Governor in 30 . 10 years have passed , there has been no court rulings against the brother nor the remaining 83 ; despite all sorts of abuse that gets hurled against the spiritual leader . There is a book in print suggesting this is because the Governor covered it up . The Governor has since become an MP from A-K-P , he rejects it most forcefully . It seems to be finely balanced ; almost every week there is a Goverment official making waves for declaring that women should dress modestly and avoid being harlots and a story of sexual abuse from some institution or any congregation ; sex with minors , no particulat difference between boys and girls . What's new is the devotion of almost entire air time to "equality" in the hour of the opposition on the Voice of Russia where the people seems to forgotten once again that tricky question : The programme was tailored for whom ? Even the seperatists can pitch their lies , for every 10 BS they spit out there is bound to be at least one situation that really needs to be corrected . Foremost by the State , because it's the State's fault . Because otherwise they are unlikely to be heard . For the view point of New Turkey , one can open any of the 50 or 500 TV channels .

but then it's the S-400 issue , Russia wants to break up the Sunni Bloc without incurring much damage . The West looks like insulting New Turkey , New Turkey throws a Trumpian fit and asks for a hug , talks above some purchases , Russia looks like supporting . Oh my , because it looks like cool Russia sells , hoping to crack NATO , despite the misgivings of a couple advisors Putin easily dismisses , you know because he knows the world , was a Colonel in the KGB . Such bad stares from the West , even the totally funny situation . They have been trying to throw us out of NATO , to get our stupidly coward neighbours to fight us without the fear of Article 5 that doesn't cover Turkey in absolutely in no way since 1987 or so , because we point blank refused to give land to 'stan . Here's the deal , the betrayal , the whatever you want to name it and the star of the Kurds is riding high , nobody can possibly care or cry for us ? Oh , no . The West panics , they love us so much that they will sell us stuff . It's not the referandum that creates a security risk . It's not the 520 millions that needs to be paid to a "Muslim" and his Japanese partners . It's the need to buy Western armaments that the Goverment needs 8 billion liras in taxes .
 
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^Speaking of Ocalan, ie the great kurdish leader &c, is he still under heavy medication and rotting in some turkish jail? :) Didn't he make some non-drug-induced speech of how turks and kurds should be together (a decade ago, after he was captured)? :D
 
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almost a round 100 kilobytes of stuff written about the referandum before this one . With some additions before and all over the place but not my fault , right ? Not even one can gloat about the letter that falls as Theresa May gives some heroic speech of the kind we get daily . If she wasn't a friend of New Turkey (with the BS of makin' this country a superpower with a 1994 thing scaled further down in 2007 as of now and one would have to follow that in aviation sites no one in CFC has like "totally" ever heard of or something) it would have been a typical miracle of Allah who "loves" New Turkey above all . She can't speak , some guy gives him a paper telling her she's fired and so on . If it had happened here , that some guy could enjoy the aftermath only if he was an homosexual .

and yes , everybody really knows what's happening , but it's the expectation of easy loot that holds everybody in place , truly . ddd would say those with any "power and influence" who are afraid of what might happen [to them and their families] are the true minority when compared to those who "know" the Republic has fallen and the new truth is here to stay and that they have to grab whatever they can . Because if they don't , somebody will and the future has no place for "merit" . It's the that feeling that keeps the State "functioning" , not fear of the Party . However tempting this might be for the Party to believe . The whole facade would come crumbling down , with the speed of lightning , now that practically anyone in who hasn't been runover by the Party somehow is a Congregation mole anyhow . Found to be acceptable or useful to the overall goals of the Congregation on the minimum . At least ... And it knows no particular boundaries as well . This is an epidemic of delusions ; the 'stan "should" hurt the Party politically while it won't and everybody keeps the playing field level . For the Party , despite the Party never playing fair .

take the journalist who said 'stan is the right of the Kurds . If he was of the seperatist media , a thousand aspersions would have been cast for the true identity of his father ie not the one married to his mother , a million that he was an American spy , a billion that he was of the Congregation . The deed he has done like 7 months ago , right ? When Barzani was like on every possible Western newspaper and TV Channel saying that he was going to do it . The moment whatever remained of the Turkish State should have started to act and hint that it would cost him . Barzani is a smart dude who has made great strides since the days any Turkish Jandarma Captain would make him wait at his office door in a border crossing for hours . Like the 1990s when America said it would create a 'stan and the Turkish goverment asked how high when Washington said jump . And it was all PR to lull the lullable ; you know , we Turks are all fools . That people heroically protecting the country , that there was nothing to be concerned . It would take Barzani a couple of months of steady signals to reconsider . They didn't come , because this journalist heroically said it . This is 1984 here and nothing happened to him and every heroic patriot knew if it wasn't approved by the palace he wouldn't dare saying it . Not at a time when the almost racists supposedly are a coalition member with the Party and heroic nationalism is all what comes blaring from the Party media . Nationalism of the Turkish kind , not Arabic and Kurdish as we have seen a couple of years back . Naturally he was singled out by the Opposition as an indicator of Party supporting the refereandum and the 22 provinces of the country painted in "Yellow" . Exactly why the Voice of Russia brought him to the Hour of the Opposition . Euuww , he was once a Leftist , he is heroic , he is opinionated , everybody else is wrong , and he doesn't ever shut up . ddd would have no doubts the anchor and the journalist are long time friends , but let's agree on this , it's all about ... Well , nothing . Because the Party might get hurt aaaaannnd it might loose power , even the opponents of the Party lend a hand and turn the apple cart back up . What ? A word nobody says to me these days , but it's the fact . The Republic is dead , America will do a caricature of a country instead and everybody , including the opponents , open their hands eagerly to catch the coins that will come down from the sky . To the faithful , of course . The losers will join the Turks in the dustbin of history . Nor it will be of any help when the gas chambers actually happen and they run out of all the Jews in Turkey .

oh , let's not single out the anchor ; because he has invited Party people before , but all the Media and stuff . The pinnacle of Yellow Journalism in Turkey's former editor in chief , giving himself a break between discussions of stuff , points the heroic guy of 7 months also points out the Party is wrong on imprisoning Opposition journalists . You know , without evidence . The Party wants the heroic former Leftist "saved" and the guy says Party is wrong . You know , the favourite courtroom ploy of New Turkey nowadays is exactly that . Let's have a guy to be named A for the purpose of the discussion . A is in jail as an opponent of the Goverment . The guy who long opposed Congregation when it was ruling the country with wholesome love of the Party . Opposed the Congregation still at a time when it and the Party fell out badly . A is still a traitor . As you would guess , the Congregation saw it would lose its bid to overcome "Muslims" and ordered A to be its opponent , like when A was just out of his crib , barely learning to walk and stuff . A opposed Congregation , pilloried the Party for its love towards the Congregation . So , when A also criticizes the Party , blames it for the Disgrace of July 15 , yeah , the heroic Police immediately discovers the treason and yeah , A to the jail on the flimsiest pretext . This , that people are moles talking one way but acting the other is what becomes the "rule" in Turkey and everybody rushes in . To support the heroic journalist who said 7 months ago that 'stan was the right of Barzani . People do laugh when some Turkish journalist writes it in farce that Star Wars is like inspired by Turkish history and what not . Not that the smarties in Turkey are capable of wiping snot off their noses but kinda any American strategist thinks himself better than Palpatine . ddd don't know what they would compare themselves before the 1990s .




remember this when AT-ATs march on London and May is nowhere to be seen .



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actually it's a clear and present danger . That Congregation might have moles saying one thing and doing another . Their capability to adapt can be seen in the converts to the Party . Long time #2 , the very aide to the spiritual leader , the guy who organized all the foreign schools , writes in the awesomest of Party newspapers . He knew everyone , he could have stalled the Disgrace of July 15 , but he couldn't get just one single appointment from the PM in about two years , because every aide of the PM was a mole . The Imam of South America , you know controlling an entire continent under the "Imam of the Universe" , practically appeared on TV every night for a year or two , calling his former master all sorts of names you can imagine . The very guy who ran the media of the glorious days of alliance now is a star witness against Opposition newspapers , calling them false enemies of the Congregation . The yardstick is leaving the Congregation after December 2013 , when the Congregation's steady release of illegally acquired "tapes" directly targeted the PM . And of course the Congregation's media chief was solidly against the Party , PM and whatnot on the day ... Now that they have "returned" from sin , they are everywhere , pointing fingers at anyone whereever applicable ; just like some American redneck claims finding God and becoming instantly reliable for the like minded . Some media mogul not following the party line ? Former number #2 to the fore , he wrote a very good book naming names but the bookstores of the mogul do not sell them , so the mogul should be investigated by the Police . ddd don't know why he didn't out them all those hundreds of minions he personally raised in those two years he was waiting for an appointment ...


and don't they have their matches in the ranks of those who have suffered in the conspiracies of Ergenekon and the likewise ? Some journalist is the staunchest supporter of the Party , with reputation untarnished with a year or two in jail under the belt . Appearing regularly next to the former Military attorney who was the first to investigate the Congregation influence ; he went to jail with a "proven" case of torturing witnesses after putting them into hypnosis . Or by hypnosis , the courts of Congregation was run by court jesters , became so boring to read theri heroic glories so ddd lost track somewhere . The primary occupation the guy is currently attacking the former Chief of Staff jailed - for basically joining a "terrorist organization" at the tender age of 13 . You know , some military school for teenagers . Because the jailed Chief of Staff appears on opposition channels , talking "We told the Goverment so." As part of a bid to clear "true patriots" of his liking to positions within the military . Imagine them to be "Euroasia" dudes , to share posts with the Party officers , currently less than 1% , after displacing "NATO" officers . Will it work ? Should , with him calling every single person who has not been arrested by the Congregation first and Party later as a coward ; it was probably him alone that arrested 455 million traitors or something .


and it goes on non-stop . Grinding people right and left . Some current trick . Two journalists arrested , charged to be moles . Their lawyer is a guy that gained some real repute during the Balyoz cases and he says they put in like 150 papers to the court to secure the defendants' release . All rejected . 4 days after the last , one in jail writes one single and is immediately released ; she quickly appears in Party media sugesting that they were left to rot in the interests of making Party look bad politically ... ddd will be careful about what people can take or can not ; it wasn't me in jail . But nothing actually hurts the Party politically . With palms open to the skies to grab the coins . In that majority that always votes for the Party . You know , the hazelnut producing lot , tricked and deceived every year ... May the Main Opposition keep ranting long that there's some obscure law that says the 1% of the GNP should have been distributed to farmers and any single farmer is owed 40 000 liras by the Goverment . They would prefer 40 liras of the A-K-P , because if "merit" returns to the country they would have to pay taxes . As if they are not paying now ... And certainly disregarding the level of merit the Main opposition has . They outperformed Gandhi's Salt March , the PM's photos appeared everywhere showing him "walking" , there was the signs of of a momentum and a much bigger irritation in the Party . Main Opposition went to Çanakkale , to take some advantage of the legends of 1915 and the Allied defeat , Party went to Malazgirt to clebrate the anniversary of 1071 . Who won ? Main Opposition lost , because a couple of people filmed themselves taking alcohol and dancing and stuff at night in a cemetery of martyrs , you know so that very people they have to convince not to vote for the Party could safely be expected to remain under the thumb of the Party .

so the discovery of the secret deal made with Colin Powell is merely laughable . In case it's real anyhow . Agreed to in 2003 , it supposedly stipulates the establishment of 'stan in North Iraq will be accepted unconditionally by Ankara . The now dead Turkish Armed Forces' influence will be curtailed , seperatists in the mountains will return home with a "peace deal" . Stuff , stuff . Everybody knows it's happening that way anyhow . Some former diplomat tells an anectode how his father once told the diplomat should persevere in serving the country , because the country belongs to him ; one of the 40 000 000 shares outta there ; because the population of the country was 40 millions at the time . This former member of the "Hülya Koçyiğit and just a few are not traitors" loves this father's story . He possibly doesn't like other father's stories , but let's say it is not me who is appalled by the lack of hands on leadership from the US , a resolute stance , a smugness that the roadmap is unfallible , as if hiding behind sandbags while letting all those smart people to take what ever might be coming . Smarties are extremely smart and brave , but their faces tend to become a lovely reddish hue when some accidents happen and they come to think of most unlikely stuff . What if really that there will be no Hueys on the top of the US Embassy like 1975 ?


speaking of the Embassy , the construction of a new one goes on unabated on the grounds of the former Atatürk Orman Çiftliği , a large area of woods established by Kemal in the 1930s to break up the barrenness of Ankara and stuff . The US State Department will of course say they need a secure place to keep their people safe from the hordes of savages that roam Ankara or whatever , but the symbolism is kinda clear . They replace Kemal , with their contribution to the greenicide that takes place in Ankara . Oh-kay , the higher the new Embassy rises , the better . No offense when it gets razed down . If there is a need , ddd have a field for sale that overlooks the Apollo 14 landing site . Not exactly a point of speech that makees the rounds , you know , but only when the Main opposition's TV had nothing to rant about . Like a month back and nothing to heard of lately , because the Main Opposition had a team visiting the D.C. They of course shut up , because otherwise they wouldn't be allowed to visit the hallowed Washington . The Party media would certainly take notice then , with the poor losers unable to see any American official , while the Party people can . Of course seeing American officials is treason , as long as the guilty are not Party members . After having the photo op , there will be a month or two of railing against the Americans , all sorts of insults against the Yankees , with a week of detante before the phone call the PM needs to make to the yugely succesful denizen of Whitey Homey . As usual , the Main Opposition knows really nothing . One descends from Kemal's political machine , a stuttering clunker , the other practically established by the US to demolish anything that stands in the way of new borders in the Middle East , throwing tantrums works for A-K-P , should also work for CHP , eh ?

the lack of trust in the brains for the Left is also prevalent in other Leftists as well . Take Maduro of Venezuella , giving some stirring speech on the example of Atatürk standing up againsty Imperialism , a week before coming here . And obviously neglecting to visit Atatürk's Andddtkabir because the New Turkey insists it should not be . Afterall , as they gained confidence of Qatari funding they talked some Sudanese diplomat to keep a silly hat on while signing a notebook of respect or whatever . Official state business if you will , the so called Turkish Nation to give up Mustafa Kemal in its entirity and foreigners will be ready to do business . Like Sudan of these late years and stuff . But the Voice of Russia will not be like "Hi, hi, hi" this time ... This being an imitation of the softer female laughter in the way when some American secretary (One Quarter or 1/8 White Wabbit Mattis , ddd believe) visited Ankara and similarly neglecting . Maduro is supposed to be a hero of the Left here in Turkey , much like Chavez . It's my fault , kinda , when Chavez carried out his golpe in 1994 and beliveing Leftist newspapers that nobody could carry out a coup in the Americas without CIA and he was yet another boy of America . You know under the brilliant leadership of of the two , it will be like a decade before Venezuella can be trusted to ask for higher oil prices . Like all in deference to the Saudis and the like and their Sunni brilliance .





oh-kay still pending : The Barzani and the lady . And promise ddd will be discussing the dear seperatist leader and his drugs . .


note : This was wrapped up before the recent row where America accuses , like practically , that Ankara will allow an ISIL suicide bomber inside US diplomatic facilites . Everbody kinda knows what ı write is read even before it gets posted here ( avoiding all sorts of Microsoft backdoors as well known stuff) , trusting everyone to see nothing related to me . So , while it's an irritant , allow me to say the new construction in Ankara will still be razed , even when situation is "Normal" again .


edit 16th of October . Rant follows at

Told ya America hates the guts of Turkey ? Told ya America always but always love the Party and its New Turkey ? Ever dare to imagine whether they are , you know , related ?
 
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what an embrassment for r16 , isn't it ? As nobody has been posting for like so long a time ı would have one last post , wrapping it up and doinf the tie , putting the full stop and whatever . It was to start like thus


"well , almost a week now and not one post ? On a thing that's kinda the most important thing in the world with such a drastic and even epic disaster for Western Strategy ?

photo cars

with Kurds easily abandoning their Jerusalem , their Mecca , almost without firing a single bullet ? [The city] really ain't much to look at , but as we all can guess the real attraction was the oilwells anyhow ... Why , any fears that ı would gloat that ı told you so ?

well , (A) ı told so and (B) just as everybody was wrong to assume that the New Turkey opposed to referandum , it's patently a huge defeat for Ankara of the 21st Century and whatnot . Just naturally , the smarties are bragging it was New Turkey that made it possible . Barzani betraying them , them flexing muscles and pathetic Iraqis finding heart and so on . There's no end to the capability of New Turkey to find something to be delusional about "

"photo cars" stands for a picture to be found on the web , showing those 100 thousand people leaving the most important location the world ,or something . Netanyahu is reduced to noting that the Kurds are acting maturely . So , what kept me so long ? ı have Civ III again . Like a year or two later . Started an Ottoman game all random , large map . As always ı was surprised to discover the Sipahi didn't have Blitz ; ı have long been playing mods and scenarios . Decided to play to the end of sciences in regular epic game , like never carried out Precision Bombing yet . Restarted a different game . Pangea and like at the bottom of sciences . Same map with Hittites , same result . Same map with Germans , same result ! Finally modded it , like lightly . Got 5 science leaders , feels good . Latest one for discovering Stealth . Iroquois are now fielding TOWs , but ı already have like more B-2s than USAF ... Carrier capable , too .

but this is not to be one of those "distilled" variety . Merely placing a mark that Barzani discovering the Army of Petrol [of New Turkey] is not what it's supposed to be ; hence asking Baghdad to return to good old days . No doubt returning Kerkük , too . The myth of Kurdish military prowess likewise fell down a cannonshot through the roof in this country and elsewhere . The glorious seperatists have like totally saved Rakka from the ISIL vermin and celebrate it in front of a picture of the dear seperatist leader and Washington meekly says "Bad Kurd , bad Kurd" instead of threatening us with nukes and stuff as they used to do in the heady days of ISIL conquering the world , you know , convince people to tremble in presence of the boots on the ground of America . Putin's Russia assures the radio listeners with non-stop coverage of how they can influence the seperatists and Moscow will one day oppose Iran . You know , offering to protect us from the damned Shia . So what , it's a simple fact , there's to be Stage 3 of the establishment of 'stan and either Iran or Turkey will go under , extremely bloody and stuff . Trump being an idiot or something , declared his intent Iran to be the third and Tahran responded . Kurds being peoples of Middle East , the place where backstabbing is the most notable invention . ı have no trouble with Iran , no fear of Iran and no objections to them being the third , if America dares . Now that ı will not do anything to help , as Iran rapes Uncle Sam in his nether places .

to understand the heroism and glory of New Turkey you gotta see that it has like always been oil wells they would somehow capture one way or the other . When the Shia got Kerkük after Barzani demanding protection from Ankara while Ankara was depending on Barzani for protection , it's a rather bad or something . They withstood Germany for months , Nazis and arrests of spies and whatnot . Nobody feared , Barzani had the oil wells and needed New Turkey's guidance . Nothing moved . Everybody proud and stuff . Barzani out of Kerkük and a rumour that Germany would stop credits ? Oh , yeah . Those traitorous spies immediately out of custody . Though do not expect that apply us to Turks ; the West does not want Democracy here , for we are not worthy . Take America which still keeps the threat of legal action against the PM , due some corruption and stuff case in a New York court . There's nothing wrong between Ankara and Washington , both agree on the destruction of the Republic of 1923 . The difference starts from the Arabs , the rich ones , who despise their brothers who run New Turkey in all possible ways . Though it won't stop them buying the soccer team of the Party , you know , on the cheap . If they are "friends" . If they are "enemies" it gets even "better" . Saudis are just about to press a button and become the "moderate Islam" success story , denying the very same to Ankara . Their future king already allows bikinis and stuff in 50 islands of the Red Sea , looking them to launch their officially blessed brothels .

of course you don't hear that anywhere else . Not even we hear it . Now that there is always something more . Back to football . Galatasaray is under investigation for a tribune show , a giant picture of Rocky "Italian Stallion" Balboa . Calling on unidentified people to stand up because some other unidentified people looked big only because unidentified people were on their knees . Under suspicion that there was some esoteric message underneath . Actually nothing of the sort but let's first let's hint Slyvester Stallone not to pay attention again , 'cause the Turkish courts are so heroic , they might want to arrest him , too , for tweeting that he was touched or something that they had a picture of what made him into a star . Now , the thing starts with the new stadium of the city of Bursa . The fans of Galatasaray come for their first game there and bring the picture with them kinda to mock , football games are battles , right ? Asking their opponents to secure their city , as if Galatasaray had ever secured Istanbul . The picture lays around and years on it's a game with Fenerbahçe , that has been beating them like for a decade . And the funny thing is of course there might be a Congregation link , with Bursa being the first big team of the "Torinolu Şaban" , the heroic football star of the Congregation , made a MP by the PM in the old days .


and of course you might not be suffering any more , the news is the New Turkey is once again looking into ways of making the web more "secure" , with more powers to the local authorities to stop what they don't like . As if burying the head in the sand has ever solved anything . But then ı will have told you so .

not the full size rant because my strategic campaign doesn't go good enough . ı have identified alumium as the bottleneck but just bombing the tile doesn't work . Enough workers can always re-connect it a turn so the it has to be 9 tiles , resource and its immediate neighbours . Railroad make it two succesful hits to knock it out so we are looking like at 40 sorties per resource or something .
 
I notice you replaced the cooler sounding "The New" with the more revealing and thus rather nasty "The New Turkey". Is it due to some added need for clarity, or did you stop fearing persecution? :)
 
yet another anniversary of the Republic . Nobody much bothers to comment on the idea that saving money is goooooood so they celebrate less , although it's also said there can be no money saving in proper representation . Pride and honour and stuff , as long as it's of the Party . Anyhow , your idiotly is going shopping , passing this school on Sunday . As it's a celebration , they are playing music . Possibly a modernized version of a late Ottoman march . "Forward, forward! Turkish Soldier does not retreat!" or to that effect . But , somehow it's the only tune that's played . You know , give the computer a list and it will play a million different songs and stuff . Like for 2 hours ; plays for two minutes and like 5 minutes of silence as if they are manually searching it to restart . They accidentally played the March of Izmir , actually written during the 1918 advance on Bakü and later adapted to 1922 . Much unliked because it invokes the name of Kemal ...


typically New Turkey . They never need the Old to "succeed" . When they walk on water or turn peebless into diamonds by their magic touch , the rest of the country is merely an hindrance , deadweight , enemy in disguise . When there's trouble , oh dear , we are brothers . All of us , even those who don't vote for the Party . Yeah , this is the exact moment that one gets to hear the Turkish soldier does not retreat ; because the rumour is some US court is going to fine Turkish banks to the tune of 25 billion bucks for breaking sanctons against Iran ... Washington naturally will not "now" make a distinction between the Old and the New . The failure of the New to be paid by the Old , burden to be carried by those who did nothing wrong . Because the Turkish honour is much respected when people pass the bill and expect payment . Like the only very single case ever and whatever . Guess what , 25 billions worth of antimatter ; epic mushrooms , billiard table flat locations ; suitable for re-construction .

meaning the Party claim to the whole country was stinging especially at a time being a Turk was a criminal act that forfeited this material world and Heaven at the same time . Am not particularly aware that ı stopped calling one way or the other but then it apparently suits the West , a transferability between the "states of matter" . It's a gas or liquid or solid depending what the West needs at the moment . A forceful distinction of it might have cooled the Syrians from "rebelling" , that the A-K-P was not Turkey in its entirity and the Irresuction would not be delivered . Saving hundreds of thousands of lives . Or maybe not , with America much in love with the Kurds starting a full war . Near term conjecturals can be painful .
 
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