Language translations for leader sayings
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Siriuskar
Chieftain
Someone's bound to turn up eventually. To be fair, someone already did, they just never got back to us
Two more in the meantime:
Hate Hello: What are you doing here? / أشنو كدير هنا؟ (ashnu kadir hna?)
Hate No 01: This is unreasonable! / هدشي ماشي معقول (hadshee mashee maqul!)
I wish I had more but it's becoming difficult to translate some of the darija vocab as I can't find the words anywhere on the web. I'll see if I can get my hands on a proper dictionary...
Viregel
, The Rt. Hon.
I listened to Pocatello's request, and I presume that it is along the lines of "what do you say?" (Naha *something* hakai?) Shoshone seems that it's not as written, so it could be a bit hard to translate.
Siriuskar
Chieftain
While I'm waiting on that dictionary I went back and filled in the gaps I couldn't work out in Ramesses II's speech. Turns out that after a week or two of listening to a particularly difficult spoken dialect, Standard Arabic is a heck of a lot easier to make sense of...
I've updated these in my original post as well. Underlined sections once again mean changes to the original translation, while any brackets I've added show things that aren't actually present in the Arabic/are implied in English.
Attacked: (You are) a fool who evokes pity. You have brought my hostility upon yourself and your repulsive civilization!
أحمق يثير شفقة. لقد عاديت بنفسك وبحضارتك القبيحة
(‘ahmaq yuthiru shafaqa. laqad audaytu binafsak wa bihadaaratuk al-qabeeha!)
Hate Yes 02: I think I should (agree). أعتقد أن وجب عليه (a’ataqid anna wagib alayah.)
Peaceful: You know I could have destroyed you, but I am feeling generous today. (lit. ...the feeling of generosity perfumes me today.)
تعرف أنه كان بإمكاني أن أدمرك, لكن يعطرني الشعور بالكرم اليوم
(t’arif anahu kana b’imkani an udamirak, lakin ya’atarini as-sha’aur bilkaram alyawm.)
There may still be mistakes of course, but I hope I've got them pretty much on the mark. (EDIT: 07/09/13 - There were mistakes, see my post below. =P) Otherwise, Ramesses II is complete!
I've updated these in my original post as well. Underlined sections once again mean changes to the original translation, while any brackets I've added show things that aren't actually present in the Arabic/are implied in English.
Attacked: (You are) a fool who evokes pity. You have brought my hostility upon yourself and your repulsive civilization!
أحمق يثير شفقة. لقد عاديت بنفسك وبحضارتك القبيحة
(‘ahmaq yuthiru shafaqa. laqad audaytu binafsak wa bihadaaratuk al-qabeeha!)
Hate Yes 02: I think I should (agree). أعتقد أن وجب عليه (a’ataqid anna wagib alayah.)
Peaceful: You know I could have destroyed you, but I am feeling generous today. (lit. ...the feeling of generosity perfumes me today.)
تعرف أنه كان بإمكاني أن أدمرك, لكن يعطرني الشعور بالكرم اليوم
(t’arif anahu kana b’imkani an udamirak, lakin ya’atarini as-sha’aur bilkaram alyawm.)
There may still be mistakes of course, but I hope I've got them pretty much on the mark. (EDIT: 07/09/13 - There were mistakes, see my post below. =P) Otherwise, Ramesses II is complete!
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka
Hey, Siriuskar
I would like you to transliterate Harun's lines as well.
Ahmad's ones must have a lot of Berber influence in them. I guess if Ramesses actually spoke colloquial Egyptian Arabic, it would be a lot tougher to translate. (due to Coptic influence)
I would like you to transliterate Harun's lines as well.
Ahmad's ones must have a lot of Berber influence in them. I guess if Ramesses actually spoke colloquial Egyptian Arabic, it would be a lot tougher to translate. (due to Coptic influence)
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka
Intro: beginning obviously starts with Assuraya (Assyria), so far I'm able to pick out gerkinakku "library" and amāru "to see". The xml line "I welcome you to the great kingdom of Assyria...have you come to view my library" is likely the correct translation
Attacked-beginning sounds like "appulu" which means humiliated or humble, not sure how much help that is
DeclaresWar-begins with Atta "you", rest I couldn't translate
Defeated-no luck with this one
Request-Mahīru means "trade", rest couldn't translate
Peaceful-Kīam "so, thus"....umā "today" ...nuku "we"...lītu "victory", I guess that the xml line "So shall it be written, today we are the victors!" is the meaning of this line
Hateletshearit02- Mīnu anīna!? (what now?)
Hateletshearit03-What do you want? (Mīnu tere?)
Neutraletshearit02-eeme I will hear/listen (to you)
Neutraletshearit03- Anna? (yes?)
Neutralyes03- Imagal "Agreed"
Neutralno02-starts off with lā "no"
Neutralno03- lā ! lau! (no! certainly not!)
Hateyes01- likely Abaraa "certainly"
Hateyes02-Kīam... (So, thus) and "tere" (not sure what it means)
Hateno01- has lā (no)
Hateno2-has Kīam (so, thus)
Hateno03-not sure, but sakātu means "to be silent, keep quiet" it'll be funny if he's telling you to "shut up"
I hope this helps. Maybe someone with a better knowledge of Akkadian (particularly the Assyrian dialect) can provide better translations.
Attacked-beginning sounds like "appulu" which means humiliated or humble, not sure how much help that is
DeclaresWar-begins with Atta "you", rest I couldn't translate
Defeated-no luck with this one
Request-Mahīru means "trade", rest couldn't translate
Peaceful-Kīam "so, thus"....umā "today" ...nuku "we"...lītu "victory", I guess that the xml line "So shall it be written, today we are the victors!" is the meaning of this line
Hateletshearit02- Mīnu anīna!? (what now?)
Hateletshearit03-What do you want? (Mīnu tere?)
Neutraletshearit02-eeme I will hear/listen (to you)
Neutraletshearit03- Anna? (yes?)
Neutralyes03- Imagal "Agreed"
Neutralno02-starts off with lā "no"
Neutralno03- lā ! lau! (no! certainly not!)
Hateyes01- likely Abaraa "certainly"
Hateyes02-Kīam... (So, thus) and "tere" (not sure what it means)
Hateno01- has lā (no)
Hateno2-has Kīam (so, thus)
Hateno03-not sure, but sakātu means "to be silent, keep quiet" it'll be funny if he's telling you to "shut up"
I hope this helps. Maybe someone with a better knowledge of Akkadian (particularly the Assyrian dialect) can provide better translations.
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka
Maria Theresa's peaceful is still not corrected yet
it's 'Ich hoffe, ihr seid nun zufrieden. All das Getue, und nichts dahinter wie es scheint.' (I hope you are now content. All that fuss, and it seems nothing (came of it).
And the last part of Napoleon defeated02 is "Fais de moi ce que tu veux"
it's 'Ich hoffe, ihr seid nun zufrieden. All das Getue, und nichts dahinter wie es scheint.' (I hope you are now content. All that fuss, and it seems nothing (came of it).
And the last part of Napoleon defeated02 is "Fais de moi ce que tu veux"
Some translations for Haile Selassie were done in this reddit thread:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Ethiopia/comments/1lc17q/can_anybody_translate_this/
They're based off YouTube vids rather than files unfortunately.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Ethiopia/comments/1lc17q/can_anybody_translate_this/
They're based off YouTube vids rather than files unfortunately.
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka
good find
I wonder if there is any for Zulu, Songhai, Mohawk, Yucatec, Nahuatl, Shoshone...
Attacked:
Version 1: It's better to be silent and let big people (people of high profile) fall on their own. We are not going to simply allow you to get whatever you want without doing any work for it.
Or
Version 2: Throughout history, it has been the inaction of those who could have acted; the indifference of those who should have known better; the silence of the voice of justice when it mattered most; that has made it possible for evil to triumph. And we shall not allow it! (found this in youtube)
or
Version 3: silence helps those bad guys to win, and you! we can't let you see in silence while you do everything you wish
All three are very similar to a xml line "It is silence that allows evil to triumph. We will not stand mute and allow you to continue on this mad quest unchecked"
Declarewar: "You have tried many ways and many times. Do not be mad when you fail, keep trying. At the end, you'll get what you want."....
xml line "I have tried all other avenues, but yet you persist in this madness. I hope, for your sake, your end is swift. " is similar
Defeated: "We will remember the history of the Lord!"..."To correct or to be the judge of someone else's and their wrongdoings?? correct yourself first!"
compare with xml lines "God and history will remember your actions this day. I hope you are ready for your impending judgment." and
"In general, a man who is governed by his conscience will co-operate with his fellow human beings. He knows from whence he comes and where he goes. Do you?"
Hateno02: "Not sure" or "you may not be sure"
Intro: "Welcome, I am Haile Selassie, rastafari grandfather
. I'll be your (good) servant today....or "our dear just people, welcome, I, Hailesilassie, ras teferi mekonnen the king of ethiopia, I AM your devoted servant."compare with xml line "A thousand welcomes to our fair nation. I am Haile Selassie, the Ras Tafari Makonnen and Emperor of Ethiopia, your humble servant. "
NeutralLet'shearit01: "continue" or "go on"
NeutralLet'shearit02: "I'm listening"
NeutralNo02: "I disagree" or "We have opposed"
NeutralYes01: "Without suspicion" or "without a doubt"
I wished they translated the request or peaceful line.
The combined effort put into this thread is very impressive. I think many of us wonder why Firaxis didn't just include accurate translations of leader sayings instead of the generic diplomacy.
I have found several translations of Harun al-Rashid's speech, here's my version complete with Arabic script, Arabic pronunciation, and the corresponding English translation to the best of my ability.
And here are Rameses'
I have found several translations of Harun al-Rashid's speech, here's my version complete with Arabic script, Arabic pronunciation, and the corresponding English translation to the best of my ability.
Spoiler :
And here are Rameses'
Spoiler :
My guess here is that "Kīam tereš" is [thus you want], as in [as you wish].
tilalilalou
Chieftain
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Hi,
This line in French translations (2nd post) is very wrong :
"Je me suis battu" means "I've fought"
"Je suis battu" means "I'm beaten"
"J'ai battu (quelqu'un)" means "I beat (someone)" - past simple : for present it is "Je bats" - and yes, our conjugation is a pain.
So here is how I would translate it : "I've fought... Do what you will with me.". It feels strange, like something is missing.
By the way, when I hear Napoleon speaking in French in the game, it always feels very strange... and not French at all ! Do not take it as examples, it's poorly designed.
This line in French translations (2nd post) is very wrong :
"Je me suis battu" means "I've fought"
"Je suis battu" means "I'm beaten"
"J'ai battu (quelqu'un)" means "I beat (someone)" - past simple : for present it is "Je bats" - and yes, our conjugation is a pain.
So here is how I would translate it : "I've fought... Do what you will with me.". It feels strange, like something is missing.
By the way, when I hear Napoleon speaking in French in the game, it always feels very strange... and not French at all ! Do not take it as examples, it's poorly designed.
Viregel
, The Rt. Hon.
Just out of interest, how does most of this work? I would think that "J'ai battu" would mean "I have beat", but I'd guess that it may be somewhat different with the tense systems. I'd go with your translations anyway, as je ne parle pas français.
ales_
Heir
Suis translates as Am, Ai translates as have, but these verbs don't mean the same in English and French.
Siriuskar
Chieftain
Hey, Siriuskar
I would like you to transliterate Harun's lines as well.
Looks like this fantastic person's already beaten me to it.
Besides, I thought there were already transliterations for Harun Al-Rashid on the parent post last I looked. I couldn't see any for Ramesses II so I just did him instead.
True, though I don't believe the Egyptian dialect of Arabic differs as much from Modern Standard as much as the Moroccan/Darija dialect, so hopefully it wouldn't be that tough.
It is interesting how Ramesses doesn't speak Arabic with a regional dialect though (or at least none that I can notice), whereas Ahmad very much does. Maybe it's down to the fact that Ramesses wouldn't have spoken Arabic at all? Or possibly because there's a fair bit of French/Ottoman Turkish influence in the modern Egyptian dialect that they wanted to avoid. (Though then again, I can't hear any French/Spanish influence in the Moroccan dialect that Ahmad's speaking...)
And here are Rameses'
Spoiler :
It's really interesting to compare translations.
(And get a second opinion...)Looks like I had a few mishearings so I'll put down the bits I got wrong here, for the sake of easier correction on the parent post (corrections in red). There are some bits I disagree with though, and others I'm not sure about...
Declares War: You are nothing but a pest on the face of this Earth, prepare for your death!
ما أنت إلا آفة على ظهر هذه الأرض, إستعد لحتفك
(ma anta ila aafa alla dahr hadhihil-ard, ista’id ilhatfik!)
- CORRECTED: First part, couldn't make it out properly last time. Also corrected spelling error leading to mistranslation in last word, which could also be 'Prepare for your doom!' ('death' is more literal, I believe).
Peaceful: You know I could have destroyed you, but I'm overcome by a feeling of generosity today.
تعرف أنه كان بإمكاني أن أدمرك, لكن يعتريني شعور بالكرم اليوم
(t’arif anahu kana b’imkani an udamirak, lakin ya’atarini sha’aur bilkaram alyawm.)
- CORRECTED: 'ya'atarini' ( يعتريني ) , not the word I thought it was. I can't find a proper translation for it ( يعتري )? myself anywhere though...Nahraini's put 'overcome' so I'm going with that for now. Also got rid of definite article on 'sha'aur'.
Attacked: (You are) a fool who evokes pity. You have brought my hostility(?) upon yourself and your depressing civilization!
أحمق يثير الشفقة. لقد عاديت بنفسك وبحضارتك الكئيبة
(‘ahmaq yuthiru sh-shafaqa. laqad audaytu binafsak wa bihadaaratuk al-ka’eeba!)
- CORRECTED: 'Al-ka'eeba' is definitely correct, I misheard and mistranslated. Also put a definite article on 'ash-shafaqa'.
- DISAGREE: I'm hearing 'yuthiru' rather than 'tuthiru' for the verb? I thought 'yuthiru' agreed with 'ahmaq' anyway...
- UNSURE: I can't find a translation for 'aw daytu' (أوديت
in any form...is it some kind of expression?HateYes01
- DISAGREE: I'm hearing 'aawwh' (أوه
rather than 'hhuuaaw' (هو at the start? The original translation by GenericPlayer seems to agree it's a kind of exasperated 'Oh,' anyway.HateYes02
- DISAGREE/UNSURE: I hear 'wagib' (وجب
rather than 'yagib' (يجب? Not too sure though, I wasn't sure about 'wagib' from the start...(Updated the corrections I'm sure about in my original complete post for Ramesses as well.)
Great job, thanks! But it will be better if you post it as text, not as picture.
P.S. Siriuskar was faster.
Siriuskar
Chieftain
P.S. Siriuskar was faster.
Heh, probably took me longer to do the actual transcriptions and translations though.
Like I said I've only been studying Arabic for a year...so Nahraini, if you know more than me/are a native speaker, please comment and let me know where I'm going wrong! 
'Hatf' literally means doom, you're very correct.
"Ya'tari" is not commonly used in everyday speech. It's used to describe being affected by a feeling:
Ya'tarini al-khajal [I'm feeling embarassed]
Ya'tarini al-maradh [I'm overcome by sickness]
Ya'tarini al-karam [I'm feeling generous]/[I'm overcome by a feeling of generosity]
Of course as with any translation, it's open to flavouring by the translator, so it's very much open to interpretation
You're correct, I mistyped it. It's definitely "YUtheiru ash-shafaqa" [speaking in 3rd person about the player]. TUtheiru would be talking to the player in 1st person.Attacked: (You are) a fool who evokes pity. You have brought my hostility(?) upon yourself and your depressing civilization!
أحمق يثير الشفقة. لقد عاديت بنفسك وبحضارتك الكئيبة
(ahmaq yuthiru sh-shafaqa. laqad audaytu binafsak wa bihadaaratuk al-kaeeba!)
- CORRECTED: 'Al-ka'eeba' is definitely correct, I misheard and mistranslated. Also put a definite article on 'ash-shafaqa'.
- DISAGREE: I'm hearing 'yuthiru' rather than 'tuthiru' for the verb? I thought 'yuthiru' agreed with 'ahmaq' anyway...
- UNSURE: I can't find a translation for 'aw daytu' (أوديت
"Audaytu" is inaccurately pronounced, mostly because the endings of the words aren't articulated with the exact grammatical diacritic [as is common in the vernacular]. If we want to be technical, he should say
"laqad awdayta [2nd person] benafseka wa behatharateka al-ka'eiba"
Again, this is open to interpretation.
Agreed, I think an expression of surprise is more correct.HateYes01
- DISAGREE: I'm hearing 'aawwh' (أوه
As with "audayt" before, the word ending pronunciation isn't grammatically maintained by the speaker. Techically it should be:HateYes02
- DISAGREE/UNSURE: I hear 'wagib' (وجب
"A'taqid annahu yajibu 'alayya,"
I'm very certain it's "yagib," not "wagib," mostly because it's the more common expression
I've had a listen of Morocco's speech, the majority of it could be made out, although a few expressions would be better ironed out by a North African native.
I posted it as a picture because I found out that I'd lose the table format which I had used initially, I'll format it into a post soon
As a native speaker let me tell you I'm very impressed by your language skills, way to goHeh, probably took me longer to do the actual transcriptions and translations though.
Guandao
Rajah of Minyue and Langkasuka
Well his speaker is probably French Canadian...
ales_
Heir
His speaker is 2KGreg, if I'm not mistaken.
