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I would count China among 1).
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h-38wsWDlg6gksgnaXzkrOZQ0tGA
And India... And Japan...
And I'd remove Spain.
I would count China among 1).
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5h-38wsWDlg6gksgnaXzkrOZQ0tGA
All civ introductions close with: "Can you build a civilization that will stand the test of time". I take that as the criteria.
Ones that did not stand the test of time (correct me if I am wrong):
Babylon - well known for their code of laws and mathematics but other civs developed these concurrently and independently. I don't see anything about them that is unique and still affecting us today. To me, they do not stand the test of time.
Egypt - well known for their religious culture but the nation-state Egypt today speaks Arabic and practices Islam. I don't see traces of ancient Egyptian culture existing in an Egyptian's daily life distinct from the rest of the Middle East. Buildings and artifacts in museums tell us what they once were, but again, did not stand the test of time.
Inca - after the Spanish occupation, the ethnic peoples that were once Incans are in scattered villages and their old culture is lost. Even the Mayans are distinct and still have resistance movements for independence, unaware of anything similar for Incans. I am actually undecided for this one.
With Polynesia, I put it in category 2). Clearly deserving a place: that little triangle diagram missed Taiwan and Okinawa.
Unique units should be judged by how well they did against other civs. I am not aware that the Maori were very successful against the English, even relative to other "indigenous" populations, but I could be wrong.
Also, I think a category 2) Central Asian culture is missing. Not the nomadic ones covered by Mongolia, but around Armenia, Azerbaijan, Georgia. I am not sure what the country or leader will be though.
That's only a case of scaled up science, not better science; They have more money being poured into it, at the cost of their people.
Eventually, yes, it will put them ahead of us unless something changes (Damn politicians need to start investing MORE into space! Only government program to have ever paid for itself in spinoffs, several times over!), but as of now, they are still imitating the work of others.
Not just the USA btw; Japan and Europe as well. IIRC their older fighters were based on Russian designs.
Yeah, Timur was from the Mongol tradition. Still a very interesting character in history, though. Not sure I'd say that if I were alive during that time, though.
I'm pretty sure that they used a different method, but I don't remember.
(Also I have given up on the Federal Government as far as space travel is concerned I'm placing my bet's on private industry)
Same here, actually, since NASA is always the first thing to be cut.
One of my pet peeves is people saying "Oh, we should invest in other countries before investing in space!" Really? Space has paid for itself several times over, creating MORE money that could be used to help others; It has led to many advancements that are invaluable in that same aid; And it has the potential for limitless (nearly free) energy. If there is ANYTHING that would remove the gap between First and Third World nations, that's it.
Same here, actually, since NASA is always the first thing to be cut.
One of my pet peeves is people saying "Oh, we should invest in other countries before investing in space!" Really? Space has paid for itself several times over, creating MORE money that could be used to help others; It has led to many advancements that are invaluable in that same aid; And it has the potential for limitless (nearly free) energy. If there is ANYTHING that would remove the gap between First and Third World nations, that's it.
If there is ANYTHING that would remove the gap between First and Third World nations, that's it.
This has to be one of the most free-ranging threads I have ever seen.
in a hundred years, perhaps.
meanwhile, children are starving.
in a hundred years, perhaps.
meanwhile, children are starving.
What is Polynesia's UU, UA, and UB or whatever it gets? It must be in this thread somewhere, but not on the first page, and I don't feel like searching through 17 pages off all the arguements and crap I can imagine its filled with.
I can't manage to read the picture on source article either..
Sure they celts were split up into many different tribes, but the amount of influence they have is more than that of the Polynesians. Most northern european cultures have some Celtic reference. Also the celts kind of played a role in world history. I do think that one day the polynesians should of made their way into Civ, but not before more influential or powerful civs.how are the celts, that spanned a number of civs from France to Ireland and Spain, any different than the polynesians?
west-centric much?
And without space, we will all eventually starve. The planet cannot support our numbers. Flat out.
I think it better to pursue a future in which noone has to starve, in which Humanity safeguards itself against catastrophe by spreading across the stars, than to provide for the welfare of everyone in the short term and doom the race long term.
But that's just me.
Also the celts kind of played a role in world history.
I'd say settling every island in the Pacific ocean is part of world history. Unless you mean played a role in European history, in which case the role was very minimal.