Regulated diplomacy

civhelp121

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In my current game, I'm in the middle of the Modern age with one of my rivals running Regulated, while I'm running Free Market. Now it is one thing for the bonuses because its very subjective so I don't care even if I think Free Market is a big overpowered.

What does bother me, however, is the implication in two ways that Regulated is not Capitalism. The two ways is the name of a civilization that adopts Regulated "People's Republic of .....," and, in the diplomactic bonus, when you are running Free Market and the other Regulated, it says "-5 Capitalism is corrupt!". First of all, the name "People's Republic of....," is commonly seen as the name of a communist country, and the diplomatic bonus implies that the other person is not running capitalism.

To make things clear, Regulated is the economic option that represents Keynesian economics in real life. Both being able to run after researching Applied Economics and the fact that it has a picture of Keynes in the civic graphic and since I've seen here times when Regulated has been regarded as Keynesian economics. Keynesian economics, in turn, is the idea that during a recession or depression, the government should spend money to employ people so the recession is not as deep, and during booms it should save money for the next bust cycle, thereby reducing the boom. Basically it does not affect long run growth, but simply means to smooth out the bumps along the ride. What affects long run growth, like population growth and technological increase is not challenged by Keynesian economics. If you add in monetarist policies like raising and lowering the interest rates and money supply, and you basically get New Keynesian economics, but thats not important.

As you can see from that definition, Keynesian is actually pro-capitalism and wants the private sector to decide mostly how to distribute goods. It is more like a slight move to the left on the spectrum of Communism on the left and complete Free Markets on the right. The slight move the left is not nearly enough to be considered anything but Capitalism.

Although it may infer in the name that it also represents the economic policy to regulate corporations, I don't think anyone would consider regulation communism or Socialism. After all, we don't want lead in toys made here too.

In terms of the negative diplomatic bonus, I'd agree with that considering how Europe, which would fall further to the left than America although both would be defined as running Regulated, was angry at the US for not regulating its Capital Markets enough. I wouldn't put that large a negative bonus, but like I said, since its subjective and I'm not the one coding I'm not going to complain.

So basically my request is for the next update that Regulated not be infered as some sort of communist/socialist system :)
 
I second the OP. Although I feel this error was just an error, a typo without any theorical or political opinion.
 
Some people see Keynesian economics as corrupting the free market. I think the "Capitalism is corrupt!" should be something like the free market vs corporatist one "You've corrupted free market ideals!"
 
I think the plus one unhappiness you get from hospitals with the "Socialism" civic, is completely unrealistic, and a little insulting.
We Canadians are proud socialists, and our health care system is one of the best in the world (and I speak from my own experience). The idea that socialist hospitals are dirty, inefficient, and make people unhappy is a by-product of the crazy American political scene they have. If anything Free Market should cause unhappy hospitals, those hospital commercials we get up here are creepy...
 
I think the plus one unhappiness you get from hospitals with the "Socialism" civic, is completely unrealistic, and a little insulting.
We Canadians are proud socialists, and our health care system is one of the best in the world (and I speak from my own experience). The idea that socialist hospitals are dirty, inefficient, and make people unhappy is a by-product of the crazy American political scene they have. If anything Free Market should cause unhappy hospitals, those hospital commercials we get up here are creepy...

"social democracy" is not equal "socialism". just to point that out. socialism can be best understood as an economy civic that disallows private property... which is probably called "regulated" here in RoM.

nevertheless your argument is valid and even true for socialist/communist states (i lived in one and i can confirm it. nothing to complain about). after all there is no way you can be rejected from a hospital because you can't pay... which is different in certain other countries.
 
Oh, they can't reject you from the emergency room here in the US - they just bill you for everything. Something like half of all bankruptcies in the US are due to medical bills.

The whole "our X is the best in the world because of capitalism!" is dumb (I'm looking at you Fox News), because if it was you wouldn't need to say it every day. Everyone would just accept it as common knowledge and ask why you're even mentioning it.
 
socialism can be best understood as an economy civic that disallows private property... which is probably called "regulated" here in RoM.

No. Even in RoM, Regulated has nothing to do with Socialism or private property's prohibition, I can tell that for sure.

Regulated is called this way not to oppose free market, but to denote the government's function of regulate it, via regulatory agencies or bureaus. These agencies' goal is to assure that free-market works perfectly.
 
No. Even in RoM, Regulated has nothing to do with Socialism or private property's prohibition, I can tell that for sure.

Regulated is called this way not to oppose free market, but to denote the government's function of regulate it, via regulatory agencies or bureaus. These agencies' goal is to assure that free-market works perfectly.

This is pretty much spot on.

So in conclusion, for in the next update, can whoever codes the dynamic name/diplomatic bonuses change the wording to reflect the fact that Regulated is simply a different but very non-socialistic form of capitalism?
 
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