SGOTM 15 - One Short Straw

ZPV · May 19, 2012

I've played through to 1575AD. Liz is dead, and we are free to revolt to Repr+Caste.

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We have 944 tiles, out of 1071 required - we need 127 more. I'll try and put a quick count of the "automatic" ones together.

LowtherCastle · May 19, 2012

ZPV said:
38 attackers died. 2 Cuirassiers retreated. One of our units died.

Keep that save! I want to watch that carnage too... :cool:

ZPV · May 19, 2012

LowtherCastle said:
Keep that save! I want to watch that carnage too...

It was very satisfying - especially after the early Ancient stuff vs Redcoat battles where our units struggled to make a scratch.
It's this save - just press enter (but after we've submitted our final save)

LowtherCastle · May 19, 2012

ZPV said:
We have 944 tiles, out of 1071 required - we need 127 more. I'll

I did a quick count including our Lizzie and other odnut expansions and I only get about 810 tiles. What am I missing?

ZPV · May 19, 2012

LowtherCastle said:
I did a quick count including our Lizzie and other odnut expansions and I only get about 810 tiles. What am I missing?

The victories screen says we have 52.91% of the land (and there are 1784 total). I haven't tried to do a manual count.

ZPV · May 19, 2012

Well well well. I think we can trip Domination without taking any Inca/Mali cities.
To get the required land:

Persia 11-16
York 27
Babylon 3
Dur-K 1
Nottingham 19
Warwick 14
London 6
London-3E 13-25 (with culture bomb)
kwaDukuza 2
Sakae 8
Osaka-S 3
Persepolis-3E 2
York-W 5
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131

Mitchum · May 19, 2012

The tile count thing is hard to figure out. There is the land total on the F9 Demo screen. There is the land count in our score (which is delayed by some turns). For some reason, it seems that there is a delay on the F9 screen as well. One time I was trying NOT to trip domination and did after several turns even though a border never popped. We'll have to keep an eye on it. 131 > 127, but it's very close. If we can capture some Mansa/HC cities we'd have a margin. Plus we won't have to wait for a long time for cities to come out of revolt if we can plan and bomb a city somewhere.

ZPV · May 19, 2012

Mitchum said:
The tile count thing is hard to figure out. There is the land total on the F9 Demo screen. There is the land count in our score (which is delayed by some turns). For some reason, it seems that there is a delay on the F9 screen as well. One time I was trying NOT to trip domination and did after several turns even though a border never popped. We'll have to keep an eye on it. 131 > 127, but it's very close. If we can capture some Mansa/HC cities we'd have a margin. Plus we won't have to wait for a long time for cities to come out of revolt if we can plan and bomb a city somewhere.

Yeah, it's tight, although there are other tiles we could get with a bit more work.
I think the F9 Demo screen is frozen to the start of the turn, but I'm not sure since I haven't looked at the code. I think the F8 Victory screen is up-to-the-minute accurate.

btw, you can steal another civ's tile, without a border pop.

Dhoomstriker · May 19, 2012

So, do you need me to play anymore? I have family visiting, but I can certainly fit in some time if it's needed.

What would be the plan... Caste System (and does it really help to switch into Representation? I mean, it costs slightly more and we don't need more research and then we lose +1 or more Happiness in most of our Cities in exchange for a few Cities having extra Happiness)... hire Artists in the Cities that ZPV mentioned...

Build a Settler for London-3E? Any other Settlers, perhaps?

Capture the two Barb Cities, perhaps? Try and keep fighting Mansa + Huayna, but mostly for the fun of it, since captured Cities are only worth +1 square of Land Area?

Or would you rather play the game? I'm personally exhausted, so if you want me to play, it would be better for me to do so tomorrow. I have also booked off all of Monday to use, if we need it.

ZPV · May 19, 2012

Dhoomstriker said:
So, do you need me to play anymore? I have family visiting, but I can certainly fit in some time if it's needed.

What would be the plan... Caste System (and does it really help to switch into Representation? I mean, it costs slightly more and we don't need more research and then we lose +1 or more Happiness in most of our Cities in exchange for a few Cities having extra Happiness)... hire Artists in the Cities that ZPV mentioned...

Build a Settler for London-3E? Any other Settlers, perhaps?

Capture the two Barb Cities, perhaps? Try and keep fighting Mansa + Huayna, but mostly for the fun of it, since captured Cities are only worth +1 square of Land Area?

Or would you rather play the game? I'm personally exhausted, so if you want me to play, it would be better for me to do so tomorrow. I have also booked off all of Monday to use, if we need it.

I'm happy enough to play it out.
We just eliminated about 10 :mad:

in war weariness from every city, and have picked up extra happiness resources, so losing Military Police won't hurt a bit.
We have some settlers already built (and have already captured Satsuma).
Representation makes it a bit easier to research Paper-Education (lightbulb)-Liberalism for Free Speech.

Warring against Mali/Inca is a good way to make sure their population doesn't get too high - we have a little bit in hand, but with starvation culture we might need the extra cushion.

Kyoto might also want artists, in case it can pop another GA.

Dhoomstriker · May 20, 2012

ZPV said:
Kyoto might also want artists, in case it can pop another GA.

If that's the case, then be prepared to have a Galleon chain in place to bring the Great Artist to a useful location.

ZPV · May 20, 2012

Playing on...
AD1575:

We revolt to Caste System + Representation, and with the artists hired to pop strategic borders, we make 900bpt at 0%. That goes into Paper.
We land 18 Grenadiers on a hill next to Vilcabamba, with several promoted to Guerilla II, the others down the combat line. We're not getting massacred this time.
The Malinese stack needs one more turn to heal, and some extra units drop in from the sea.

IBT:
Several Cuirassiers and Maces suicide on our Incan stack, without success.
Mansa and Huayna learn Rifling.

AD1580:
Yes, you read that right. We advance on Djenne anyway. The Incan stack stay's put on the hill, waiting for the siege to arrive.
We settle a couple of cities - Pataliputra south of Osaka, Southend east of London, and Rowan's Revenge south of Canterbury.
We lightbulb Education; Liberalism is due in 1. Don't worry. I won't switch to FR.

IBT:
Our Incan stack is routed again. :mad:

At least we took some units with us this time, but we won't be establishing an beachhead any time soon - we just don't have the units.
Our reinforcements will instead head north to Mali.

AD1585:
We learn Liberalism. I'll leave a couple of Frigates down by the Inca just in case he gets any funny ideas about landing on our side of the water.

AD1590:
We destroy a couple more cuirassiers in Mali, and start to bombard Djenne. We don't have the unit mass to attack without bombarding.
We also settle Derby, west of Nottingham, and capture Sakae to top 1000 tiles.
Steel is learnt.

AD1595:
I attack Djenne, killing most of its units. There are still a few left, but we should be able to capture it in the next turn or two.
We know Printing Press now.

AD1600:
We learn Replaceable Parts, and capture Djenne. Nottingham is out of revolt; Just Warwick to go.
We revolt to Free Speech and Pacifism.
Persepolis chops a Settler for Djenne-W.

AD1605:
I plant the culture bomb in Southend. The citizens there are completely taken aback at the idea of "culture".
I think we'll trigger Domination on the inter-turn.

AD1610:
We win!
Gandhi wins a Domination Victory worth 185701 points. Somehow I don't think we'll win the Wooden Spoons.
I'll upload the 1605-end save, and the 1610 one, for anyone that wants to watch the movie or the replay.

LowtherCastle · May 20, 2012

ZPV said:
Well well well. I think we can trip Domination without taking any Inca/Mali cities.
To get the required land:

Persia 11-16
York 27
Babylon 3
Dur-K 1
Nottingham 19
Warwick 14
London 6
London-3E 13-25 (with culture bomb)
kwaDukuza 2
Sakae 8
Osaka-S 3
Persepolis-3E 2
York-W 5
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131

How many turns do you envision this taking approxiamtely?

ZPV · May 20, 2012

LowtherCastle said:
How many turns do you envision this taking approxiamtely?

About 8 - basically waiting for Warwick to come out of revolt.

LowtherCastle · May 20, 2012

ZPV said:
About 8 - basically waiting for Warwick to come out of revolt.

Okay. I got the impression you might be planning to drag it out by trying to expand some cities culture to 100 rather than just palnting more settlers. As long as you've got it optimzied, sounds great.

LowtherCastle · May 20, 2012

(Because there are more potential city sites, for example, SW Lizzie area.)

ZPV · May 20, 2012

LowtherCastle said:
Okay. I got the impression you might be planning to drag it out by trying to expand some cities culture to 100 rather than just palnting more settlers. As long as you've got it optimzied, sounds great.

Yeah - with Liberalism it'll take a new city 3 turns to reach 100 culture (2 free sistine artists + the citizen artist).
If the warring goes well and I can lop off a bunch of culture before then, I will, but otherwise I'm fairly settled.

Dhoomstriker · May 20, 2012

I didn't know that we'd be teching as far as Liberalism, but if we can do, please DO NOT switch Civics into Free Religion, as doing so is banned for Laurel attempts:

Neilmeister said:
As long as you found Hinduism, revolt, and stay Hindu for the rest of the game (that means no Free Religion btw), then you can do it when you please

Dhoomstriker · May 20, 2012

Great work so far, ZPV! :goodjob:

We still have plenty of time to finish, so it's up to you whether you play on or leave the remaining turns to be finished at another time over the next 48 hours or so.

ZPV · May 20, 2012

It's all over. Gandhi won a Domination victory in AD1610, after spreading ~~Buddh~~Hinduism to the world.

Our culture took over the entire donut, and one tile of Mansa's former land :rolleyes:

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