SGOTM 21 - Misfit Gypsy Nuts

[Ronnie1]

Bump!

 

[nocho]

Yeah, not sure we quite agree, but not sure what we're really discussing either! I guess we can more or less safely go until capturing Amsterdam and signing peace and if possible OB. Meanwhile a hybrid of infra and unit builds, moving navy into position meanwhile. A confirmation of a plan would be good though.

 

[namliaM]

Sorry RL has thrown me a curve ball, going to have to pass on this set

 

[Ronnie1]

The roster order is,

Ronnie1 - just played
namliaM - skipped by request
nocho - UP NOW
sleepless - on deck
McArine - waiting

 

[nocho]

Me up? Oh, dear. I'm away from Friday to Monday for Easter, so if that's okay will post a plan tonight and play tomorrow. Will be 5-6 turns max until capturing Amsterdam and hopefully planting some workers in Rotterdam.

 

[Sleepless]

Me up? Oh, dear. I'm away from Friday to Monday for Easter, so if that's okay will post a plan tonight and play tomorrow. Will be 5-6 turns max until capturing Amsterdam and hopefully planting some workers in Rotterdam.

Ok with me... Just have to add if we want the ship for Liz we will need a lot of GG points so plenty of warring... Of course we can also tech fascism for the free GG which will help.

Might be an idea to think of some libraries if we run rep specialists.

Have a nice time away at Easter Nocho..

Wow I'm right behind you.. Least I'll have plenty of time over Easter as am working all of it..

P.S Am happy if you want to carry on your turnset after Easter as well.

 

[nocho]

Athens: temple now, stay under 20h, whip next turn into Oxford.
Lakeside: galleon, temple, units
DG: treb whip in 1, temple
Beaver: galleon whip asap, temple
3Fish: galleon (whip?), temple
Whorses: galleon (whip), temple, CH
3Clam: galleon (whip), temple, galleon
Popcorn: settler (2 pop whip), CH. IMO if we want to build that city, settler should come from Popcorn. As it has no Christ yet, better first build settler.
IronWool: galleon, CH
NorthFish: xmish, xmish
Nongoma: LB, CH
ShWales: Forge, CH
The Hague: temple, forge, CH
Ulundi: Forge, CH
NotuM: gran, forge, CH
kwaDu: WB, forge, CH
Nobamba: gran, forge, CH
2WFish: gran, forge, CH
Utrecht: gran, CH

Trades:
Compass to Cathy for Drama + 60g
Sheep to Liz for Corn
Copper to Mao for Rice + 8gpt
Sheep to Toku for 2gpt

Thinking of cancelling the ivory deal with Mansa. We currently trade all our fur away, so we get that back. That makes it happy neutral. The deer we get back we might be able to sell for up to 12 gpt. War Elephants as units are not very crucial anymore, we have maces, trebs and muskets are close. Alternatively could try and see if we land the same deal but with more gpt thrown in by Mansa.

War and Peace:
Capture Amsterdam asap and sign peace. I moved a galleon one square just now, to have a look. 6 workers there. Would be nice to gift Willem a few back for his last secrets. Given the fact we only have 8 workers now for 19 cities, might be inclined to gift only 3 workers + 250 gold instead of 5 workers to Willem. Thoughts about this?

Workers:
Cottage Athens, including farm W of wheat. Otherwise farm and chop, mainly.

EP:
On Louis until we see demographics. Then back to Mansa.

Tech:
Keep 0% for now until Oxford done. With the overflow from temple and both chops should get a boost though. Still, might be itchy to whip Oxford if it saves some turns and doesn't cost too much pop. Anyway, I assume the idea is still gunpowder, chemistry.

 

[Ronnie1]

New river city is going where exactly, 2N of the lake? I assume granary first build there.

Would be nice to get a missionary to Popcorn before the overflow from the settler whip if possible.

Love all the trades including canceling with Mansa and then getting all his gold somehow.

All sounds good!

Good luck!

 

[nocho]

Yes, new city is meant to go 2N of lake, 4W2S of Popcorn. Granary first.

Will play somewhen this afternoon.

 

[Sleepless]

Do we have a settler for double fish?

All soungs good Nocho and good luck..

Just a quick thought with the tech path. We want to keep an eye on Mansa so that as soon as he starts Edu we start Lib (obviously still need philo).

 

[nocho]

Ronnie already settled double fish. Will monitor lib race. That is one reason for wanting to turn science back on asap.

 

[nocho]

5 turns played, all went well but for stupidly running into a trireme with a galleon and losing it on an unlucky roll.

Amsterdam is ours, signed peace and OB, will gift workers now and upload again.

Oxford whipped for three pop. One of the reasons: Liz can research liberalism now, she finished education. I did take the decision of buying philosophy from Mansa for Optics and a good chunk of cash, but I guess it was worth it. We can research lib in 3 turns now, but of course we would have to settle for something cheaper than steel, likely nationalism.

We settled GreenBay.

Spoiler :

Here is your Session Turn Log from 760 AD to 860 AD:

Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 1 (DoubleGems) (4.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (9.12)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 1.7%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Plot Defense: +27%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Hills Defense: +75%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Attack: -100%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 13 (87/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 1 (DoubleGems) is hit for 29 (71/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 13 (74/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 13 (61/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 13 (48/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 1 (DoubleGems) is hit for 29 (42/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 13 (35/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 7 (Whorses) (4.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (4.43)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 51.0%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Plot Defense: +27%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Attack: -145%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 7 (Whorses) is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 18 (73/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 18 (55/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 18 (37/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 3 (Popcorn) (4.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (4.39)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 51.4%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Plot Defense: +27%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 3 (Popcorn) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 18 (65/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 3 (Popcorn) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 3 (Popcorn) is hit for 22 (34/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 18 (47/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 18 (29/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 3 (Popcorn) is hit for 22 (12/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) (4.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (3.81)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 73.8%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Plot Defense: +27%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 21 (79/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 18 (57/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 18 (39/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 21 (58/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Maceman 1 (Athens) (8.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (3.48)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 98.2%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Plot Defense: +27%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Hills Defense: +75%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Maceman 1 (Athens) is hit for 20 (80/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 19 (6/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Maceman 1 (Athens) is hit for 20 (60/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 19 (0/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Maceman 1 (Athens) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Longbowman!
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 3 (Lakeside) (9.60) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (3.33)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 99.8%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Plot Defense: +27%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 21 (4/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 3 (Lakeside) is hit for 18 (82/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 3 (Lakeside) is hit for 18 (64/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 3 (Lakeside) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Longbowman!
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 10 (Lakeside) (8.80) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (3.10)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 99.8%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Plot Defense: +27%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Fortify: +10%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 21 (4/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 21 (0/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 10 (Lakeside) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Longbowman!
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Maceman 2 (Whorses) (8.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Horse Archer (4.02)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 99.2%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Maceman 2 (Whorses) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Horse Archer is hit for 25 (42/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Horse Archer is hit for 25 (17/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Maceman 2 (Whorses) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Horse Archer is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Maceman 2 (Whorses) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Horse Archer!
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Swordsman 1 (Lakeside) (6.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (2.20)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 99.7%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Plot Defense: +27%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Fortify: +5%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Hills Defense: +45%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (City Attack: -55%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 20 (5/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Swordsman 1 (Lakeside) is hit for 19 (81/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Swordsman 1 (Lakeside) is hit for 19 (62/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 20 (0/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Swordsman 1 (Lakeside) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Longbowman!
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 7 (Whorses) (8.80) vs Willem van Oranje's Chariot (1.54)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Chariot is hit for 37 (21/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Chariot is hit for 37 (0/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 7 (Whorses) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Chariot!
Turn 148, 760 AD: You have captured Utrecht!!!
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Galleon 1 (IronWool) (4.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Trireme (2.40)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Combat Odds: 96.2%
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Galleon 1 (IronWool) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Galleon 1 (IronWool) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Trireme is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Galleon 1 (IronWool) is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Trireme is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Galleon 1 (IronWool) is hit for 15 (40/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Trireme is hit for 25 (25/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Galleon 1 (IronWool) is hit for 15 (25/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Galleon 1 (IronWool) is hit for 15 (10/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Willem van Oranje's Trireme is hit for 25 (0/100HP)
Turn 148, 760 AD: Pericles's Galleon 1 (IronWool) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Trireme!
Turn 148, 760 AD: You have discovered Drama!
Turn 148, 760 AD: You have trained a Galleon in Whorses. Work has now begun on a Christian Temple.
Turn 148, 760 AD: Popcorn celebrates "We Love the Monarch Day"!!!
Turn 148, 760 AD: Elizabeth has completed The Kong Miao!

Turn 149, 780 AD: You have constructed a Christian Temple in Athens. Work has now begun on Oxford University.
Turn 149, 780 AD: You have trained a Trebuchet in DoubleGems. Work has now begun on a Christian Temple.
Turn 149, 780 AD: You have trained a Galleon in TriClam. Work has now begun on a Christian Temple.
Turn 149, 780 AD: You have constructed a Forge in Ulundi. Work has now begun on a Courthouse.
Turn 149, 780 AD: Christianity has spread in NotuMgung.
Turn 149, 780 AD: The borders of 2 West Fish have expanded!
Turn 149, 780 AD: Louis XIV adopts Vassalage!
Turn 149, 780 AD: Elizabeth converts to Confucianism!
Turn 149, 780 AD: Carib (Barbarian) has been captured by the Chinese Empire!!!

Turn 150, 800 AD: Pericles's Galleon 4 (NorthFish) (4.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Trireme (2.40)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Combat Odds: 96.2%
Turn 150, 800 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 150, 800 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Pericles's Galleon 4 (NorthFish) is hit for 15 (85/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Pericles's Galleon 4 (NorthFish) is hit for 15 (70/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Pericles's Galleon 4 (NorthFish) is hit for 15 (55/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Pericles's Galleon 4 (NorthFish) is hit for 15 (40/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Pericles's Galleon 4 (NorthFish) is hit for 15 (25/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Willem van Oranje's Trireme is hit for 25 (75/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Pericles's Galleon 4 (NorthFish) is hit for 15 (10/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Willem van Oranje's Trireme is hit for 25 (50/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Pericles's Galleon 4 (NorthFish) is hit for 15 (0/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Willem van Oranje's Trireme has defeated Pericles's Galleon 4 (NorthFish)!
Turn 150, 800 AD: Pericles's Galleon 3 (IronWool) (4.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Trireme (1.20)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 150, 800 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 150, 800 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Willem van Oranje's Trireme is hit for 29 (21/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Willem van Oranje's Trireme is hit for 29 (0/100HP)
Turn 150, 800 AD: Pericles's Galleon 3 (IronWool) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Trireme!
Turn 150, 800 AD: Christianity has spread in Popcorn.
Turn 150, 800 AD: You have discovered Philosophy!
Turn 150, 800 AD: The borders of The Hague have expanded!
Turn 150, 800 AD: The borders of Nobamba have expanded!
Turn 150, 800 AD: Yunus Emre (Great Artist) has been born in Chengdu (Mao Zedong)!

Turn 151, 820 AD: The enemy has been spotted near Nongoma!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Athens can hurry Oxford University for 4⇴ with 29ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 18 turns.
Turn 151, 820 AD: DoubleGems has grown to size 5.
Turn 151, 820 AD: DoubleGems can hurry Christian Temple for 2⇴ with 25ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 32 turns.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Beaver Isle can hurry Christian Temple for 2⇴ with 9ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 45 turns.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Tripple Fish has grown to size 9.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Tripple Fish can hurry Christian Temple for 1⇴ with 9ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 29 turns.
Turn 151, 820 AD: The Hague has been pacified.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Ulundi has grown to size 6.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Ulundi can hurry Courthouse for 3⇴ with 29ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 18 turns.
Turn 151, 820 AD: NotuMgung has grown to size 4.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Nobamba can hurry Granary for 1⇴ with 6ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 151, 820 AD: 2 West Fish has grown to size 2.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Utrecht will be pacified on the next turn.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Louis XIV has 50 gold available for trade.
Turn 151, 820 AD: The borders of DoubleGems are about to expand.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Trebuchet 2 (Whorses) has reduced the defenses of Amsterdam to 28%!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Trebuchet 3 (Popcorn) has reduced the defenses of Amsterdam to 21%!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Trebuchet 1 (DoubleGems) has reduced the defenses of Amsterdam to 13%!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Catapult 10 (DoubleGems) has reduced the defenses of Amsterdam to 9%!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Catapult 4 (DoubleGems) has reduced the defenses of Amsterdam to 6%!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Trebuchet 4 (Lakeside) has reduced the defenses of Amsterdam to 0%!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 9 (Lakeside) (4.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (7.80)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Combat Odds: 3.0%
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Hills Defense: +75%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Trebuchet 9 (Lakeside) has caused collateral damage! (4 Units)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 9 (Lakeside) is hit for 27 (73/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 9 (Lakeside) is hit for 27 (46/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 14 (86/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 9 (Lakeside) is hit for 27 (19/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 9 (Lakeside) is hit for 27 (0/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman has defeated Pericles's Trebuchet 9 (Lakeside)!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Trebuchet 9 (Lakeside) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 8 (Beaver Isle) (4.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (6.90)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Combat Odds: 9.0%
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Fortify: +20%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Hills Defense: +75%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (City Attack: -120%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Trebuchet 8 (Beaver Isle) has caused collateral damage! (4 Units)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 8 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 26 (74/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 8 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 26 (48/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 8 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 26 (22/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 15 (77/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 15 (62/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 8 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 26 (0/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman has defeated Pericles's Trebuchet 8 (Beaver Isle)!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Trebuchet 8 (Beaver Isle) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) (3.16) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (4.91)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Combat Odds: 21.0%
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Hills Defense: +75%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (City Attack: -145%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) has caused collateral damage! (4 Units)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 24 (55/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 24 (31/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 16 (62/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 24 (7/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 24 (0/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman has defeated Pericles's Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle)!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) has died trying to attack a Longbowman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 11 (Beaver Isle) (8.80) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (9.30)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Combat Odds: 53.8%
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Extra Combat: -10%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Hills Defense: +75%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 17 (45/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 17 (28/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 17 (11/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 11 (Beaver Isle) is hit for 23 (77/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 17 (0/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 11 (Beaver Isle) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Longbowman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your War Elephant 11 (Beaver Isle) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 7 (Whorses) (9.60) vs Willem van Oranje's Maceman (10.42)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Combat Odds: 45.1%
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Extra Combat: -20%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Extra Combat: +20%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Fortify: +20%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Maceman is hit for 18 (61/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Maceman is hit for 18 (43/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Maceman is hit for 18 (25/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 7 (Whorses) is hit for 22 (78/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Maceman is hit for 18 (7/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 7 (Whorses) is hit for 22 (56/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Maceman is hit for 18 (0/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 7 (Whorses) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Maceman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your War Elephant 7 (Whorses) has destroyed a Maceman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 6 (Whorses) (8.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Longbowman (8.82)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Combat Odds: 58.3%
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Fortify: +20%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (City Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Hills Defense: +75%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 16 (44/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 6 (Whorses) is hit for 24 (76/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 6 (Whorses) is hit for 24 (52/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 16 (28/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 6 (Whorses) is hit for 24 (28/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 16 (12/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 6 (Whorses) is hit for 24 (4/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Longbowman is hit for 16 (0/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's War Elephant 6 (Whorses) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Longbowman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your War Elephant 6 (Whorses) has destroyed a Longbowman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Maceman 3 (DoubleGems) (8.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Horse Archer (3.80)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Combat Odds: 99.7%
Turn 151, 820 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Horse Archer is hit for 26 (50/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Horse Archer is hit for 26 (24/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Horse Archer is hit for 26 (0/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Maceman 3 (DoubleGems) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Horse Archer!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Maceman 3 (DoubleGems) has destroyed a Horse Archer!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Maceman 4 (Tripple Fish) (8.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Spearman (2.54)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Combat Odds: 100.0%
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Extra Combat: +10%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Plot Defense: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Fortify: +25%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (City Attack: -20%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Combat: -50%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Spearman is hit for 31 (39/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Spearman is hit for 31 (8/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Spearman is hit for 31 (0/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Maceman 4 (Tripple Fish) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Spearman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Maceman 4 (Tripple Fish) has destroyed a Spearman!
Turn 151, 820 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 151, 820 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 151, 820 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 151, 820 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 151, 820 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 151, 820 AD: You have captured a Worker
Turn 151, 820 AD: You have captured Amsterdam!!!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Christianity has spread in IronWool.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Galleon 3 (IronWool) (4.00) vs Willem van Oranje's Galley (2.20)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Combat Odds: 98.7%
Turn 151, 820 AD: (Plot Defense: +10%)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Galley is hit for 26 (74/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Galley is hit for 26 (48/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Galley is hit for 26 (22/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje's Galley is hit for 26 (0/100HP)
Turn 151, 820 AD: Pericles's Galleon 3 (IronWool) has defeated Willem van Oranje's Galley!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Your Galleon 3 (IronWool) has destroyed a Galley!
Turn 151, 820 AD: You have made peace with Willem van Oranje!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Lakeside will grow to size 13 on the next turn.
Turn 151, 820 AD: kwaDukuza will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 151, 820 AD: The borders of DoubleGems have expanded!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Louis XIV has founded Cherbourg in a distant land.
Turn 151, 820 AD: Isabella adopts Bureaucracy!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Willem van Oranje converts to Confucianism!
Turn 151, 820 AD: Mansa Musa has completed The Spiral Minaret!

Turn 152, 840 AD: Athens has grown to size 15.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Lakeside has grown to size 13.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Lakeside can hurry Trebuchet for 1⇴ with 34ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Popcorn can hurry Courthouse for 2⇴ with 34ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 18 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: NorthFish can hurry Christian Missionary for 1⇴ with 15ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 22 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: The Hague has grown to size 5.
Turn 152, 840 AD: The Hague can hurry Work Boat for 1⇴ with 9ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 152, 840 AD: kwaDukuza has grown to size 4.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Utrecht has been pacified.
Turn 152, 840 AD: The borders of The Hague are about to expand.
Turn 152, 840 AD: The borders of kwaDukuza are about to expand.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Mansa Musa will trade Divine Right
Turn 152, 840 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for kwaDukuza.
Turn 152, 840 AD: GreenBay has been founded.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Clearing a Forest has created 30 ℤ for Nongoma.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Beaver Isle will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Popcorn will grow to size 9 on the next turn.
Turn 152, 840 AD: IronWool will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 152, 840 AD: ShakaWhales will grow to size 6 on the next turn.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Nobamba will grow to size 4 on the next turn.
Turn 152, 840 AD: You have trained a Galleon in IronWool. Work has now begun on a Courthouse.
Turn 152, 840 AD: The borders of The Hague have expanded!
Turn 152, 840 AD: You have trained a Work Boat in The Hague. Work has now begun on a Forge.
Turn 152, 840 AD: The borders of kwaDukuza have expanded!
Turn 152, 840 AD: Confucianism has spread in GreenBay.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Christianity has spread in Grenoble.
Turn 152, 840 AD: Moses (Great Prophet) has been born in Madrid (Isabella)!
Turn 152, 840 AD: Mao Zedong converts to Judaism!

Turn 153, 860 AD: Beaver Isle has grown to size 5.
Turn 153, 860 AD: Whorses can hurry Courthouse for 3⇴ with 36ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 15 turns.
Turn 153, 860 AD: Popcorn has grown to size 9.
Turn 153, 860 AD: IronWool has grown to size 8.
Turn 153, 860 AD: Nongoma has grown to size 6.
Turn 153, 860 AD: Nongoma can hurry Courthouse for 2⇴ with 35ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 13 turns.
Turn 153, 860 AD: ShakaWhales has grown to size 6.
Turn 153, 860 AD: ShakaWhales can hurry Forge for 3⇴ with 11ℤ overflow and +1⇤ for 10 turns.
Turn 153, 860 AD: Nobamba has grown to size 4.
Turn 153, 860 AD: Athens will grow to size 13 on the next turn.
Turn 153, 860 AD: Whorses will grow to size 8 on the next turn.
Turn 153, 860 AD: NorthFish will grow to size 7 on the next turn.
Turn 153, 860 AD: Ulundi will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 153, 860 AD: kwaDukuza will grow to size 5 on the next turn.
Turn 153, 860 AD: 2 West Fish will grow to size 3 on the next turn.

 

[nocho]

3 Workers gifted! Asking now for Liz 3 and Isa 2. Keeping the option open of asking for Isa 3 later with cash or 2 more workers.

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[nocho]

Autolog too.

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Logging by BUFFY 3.19.003 (BtS 3.19)
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Turn 148/500 (760 AD) [02-Apr-2015 13:17:56]
Whorses begins: Christian Temple (6 turns)
While attacking in Dutch territory near kwaDukuza, Galleon 1 (IronWool) (0.40/4) defeats Dutch Trireme (Prob Victory: 96.2%)
Tech traded to Catherine (Russia): Compass
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Drama
0% Research: 24 per turn
0% Culture: 135 per turn
0% Espionage: 16 per turn
100% Gold: 149 per turn, 1625 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Whorses
Lakeside finishes: Galleon
Tripple Fish grows to size 10
Whorses grows to size 7
Whorses finishes: Galleon
TriClam grows to size 10
Nongoma finishes: Longbowman
Ulundi grows to size 7

Turn 149/500 (780 AD) [02-Apr-2015 13:22:33]
Lakeside begins: Christian Temple (3 turns)
Nongoma begins: Courthouse (18 turns)
A Farm was built near NorthFish
A Cottage was built near Athens
A Farm was built near DoubleGems
DoubleGems begins: Christian Temple (20 turns)
TriClam begins: Christian Temple (20 turns)
Ulundi begins: Courthouse (10 turns)
A Whaling Boats was built near ShakaWhales
Galleon 1 (IronWool) promoted: Combat I
Trebuchet 3 (Popcorn) promoted: City Raider II
Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) promoted: City Raider II
Crossbowman 5 (Whorses) promoted: Drill II
Crossbowman 6 (Athens) promoted: Combat I
0% Research: 22 per turn
0% Culture: 131 per turn
0% Espionage: 16 per turn
100% Gold: 128 per turn, 1774 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Athens
The whip was applied in DoubleGems
The whip was applied in Beaver Isle
The whip was applied in Tripple Fish
The whip was applied in TriClam
The whip was applied in NorthFish
Whip anger has decreased in ShakaWhales
The whip was applied in Ulundi
The whip was applied in kwaDukuza
Athens grows to size 14
Athens finishes: Christian Temple
A Town was built near Athens
DoubleGems finishes: Trebuchet
Beaver Isle grows to size 4
Beaver Isle finishes: Galleon
Tripple Fish finishes: Galleon
TriClam finishes: Galleon
NorthFish grows to size 6
NorthFish finishes: Christian Missionary
Nongoma grows to size 5
ShakaWhales grows to size 5
Ulundi finishes: Forge
Christianity has spread: NotuMgung
kwaDukuza finishes: Work Boat
2 West Fish's borders expand

Other Player Actions:
State Religion Change: Elizabeth (England) from 'Christianity' to 'Confucianism'
Attitude Change: Elizabeth (England) towards Willem van Oranje (Netherlands), from 'Friendly' to 'Pleased'
Civics Change: Louis XIV(France) from 'Barbarism' to 'Vassalage'

Turn 150/500 (800 AD) [02-Apr-2015 13:34:25]
Diplomacy (Embargo Request): Louis XIV (France) asks Pericles (Greece) to stop trading with Elizabeth (England); Pericles REFUSES.
Beaver Isle begins: Christian Temple (80 turns)
Tripple Fish begins: Christian Temple (14 turns)
NorthFish begins: Christian Missionary (7 turns)
kwaDukuza begins: Courthouse (120 turns)
A Fishing Boats was built near kwaDukuza
While attacking in Dutch territory near Amsterdam, Galleon 4 (NorthFish) loses to Dutch Trireme (1.00/2) (Prob Victory: 96.2%)
While attacking in Dutch territory near Utrecht, Galleon 3 (IronWool) (4.00/4) defeats Dutch Trireme (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Christianity has spread: Popcorn
Tech traded to Mansa Musa (Mali): Optics
Tech acquired (trade, lightbulb, hut, espionage): Philosophy
Research begun: Liberalism (85 Turns)
Research begun: Gunpowder (55 Turns)
0% Research: 10 per turn
0% Culture: 130 per turn
0% Espionage: 12 per turn
100% Gold: 127 per turn, 1483 in the bank

After End Turn:
Whip anger has decreased in Tripple Fish
Whip anger has decreased in TriClam
The whip was applied in Popcorn
Lakeside finishes: Christian Temple
DoubleGems grows to size 5
Tripple Fish grows to size 9
Popcorn finishes: Settler
NorthFish finishes: Christian Missionary
The Hague's borders expand
Ulundi grows to size 6
NotuMgung grows to size 4
Nobamba's borders expand
2 West Fish grows to size 2

Turn 151/500 (820 AD) [02-Apr-2015 13:47:24]
Lakeside begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
Popcorn begins: Courthouse (9 turns)
NorthFish begins: Christian Missionary (7 turns)
Trebuchet 8 (Beaver Isle) promoted: City Raider I
Trebuchet 9 (Lakeside) promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Dutch territory at Amsterdam, Trebuchet 9 (Lakeside) loses to Dutch Longbowman (5.16/6) (Prob Victory: 3.0%)
While attacking in Dutch territory at Amsterdam, Trebuchet 8 (Beaver Isle) loses to Dutch Longbowman (3.72/6) (Prob Victory: 9.0%)
While attacking in Dutch territory at Amsterdam, Trebuchet 6 (Beaver Isle) loses to Dutch Longbowman (3.72/6) (Prob Victory: 21.0%)
War Elephant 7 (Whorses) promoted: Combat II
War Elephant 11 (Beaver Isle) promoted: Combat I
While attacking in Dutch territory at Amsterdam, War Elephant 11 (Beaver Isle) (6.16/8) defeats Dutch Longbowman (Prob Victory: 53.8%)
Maceman 3 (DoubleGems) promoted: City Raider I
Maceman 4 (Tripple Fish) promoted: City Raider I
While attacking in Dutch territory at Amsterdam, War Elephant 7 (Whorses) (4.48/8) defeats Dutch Maceman (Prob Victory: 45.1%)
While attacking in Dutch territory at Amsterdam, War Elephant 6 (Whorses) (0.32/8) defeats Dutch Longbowman (Prob Victory: 58.3%)
While attacking in Dutch territory at Amsterdam, Maceman 3 (DoubleGems) (8.00/8) defeats Dutch Horse Archer (Prob Victory: 99.7%)
While attacking in Dutch territory at Amsterdam, Maceman 4 (Tripple Fish) (8.00/8) defeats Dutch Spearman (Prob Victory: 100.0%)
Christianity has been removed: Amsterdam (Dutch Empire)
Christianity has spread: Amsterdam
Captured Amsterdam (Willem van Oranje)
Amsterdam begins: Courthouse (121 turns)
A Farm was built near Lakeside
Christianity has spread: IronWool
While attacking just off shore at Amsterdam, Galleon 3 (IronWool) (4.00/4) defeats Dutch Galley (Prob Victory: 98.7%)
Pericles (Greece) and Willem van Oranje (Netherlands) have signed a peace treaty
A Fishing Boats was built near 2 West Fish
The Hague begins: Work Boat (6 turns)
0% Research: 24 per turn
0% Culture: 147 per turn
0% Espionage: 16 per turn
100% Gold: 127 per turn, 1735 in the bank

After End Turn:
Athens grows to size 15
Lakeside grows to size 13
DoubleGems's borders expand
Whorses finishes: Christian Temple
The Hague grows to size 5
NotuMgung finishes: Granary
kwaDukuza grows to size 4

Other Player Actions:
State Religion Change: Willem van Oranje (Netherlands) from 'Christianity' to 'Confucianism'
Attitude Change: Elizabeth (England) towards Willem van Oranje (Netherlands), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'
Civics Change: Isabella(Spain) from 'Vassalage' to 'Bureaucracy'

Turn 152/500 (840 AD) [02-Apr-2015 14:02:42]
Whorses begins: Courthouse (7 turns)
NotuMgung begins: Courthouse (10 turns)
War Elephant 6 (Whorses) promoted: Sentry
A Cottage was built near DoubleGems
Sparta founded
GreenBay begins: Granary (30 turns)
Research begun: Liberalism (3 Turns)
0% Research: 24 per turn
0% Culture: 153 per turn
0% Espionage: 16 per turn
100% Gold: 130 per turn, 1862 in the bank

After End Turn:
The whip was applied in Athens
The whip was applied in The Hague
Athens finishes: Oxford University
A Town was built near Athens
Lakeside finishes: Trebuchet
Beaver Isle grows to size 5
Popcorn grows to size 9
IronWool grows to size 8
IronWool finishes: Galleon
Nongoma grows to size 6
ShakaWhales grows to size 6
The Hague's borders expand
The Hague finishes: Work Boat
kwaDukuza's borders expand
Nobamba grows to size 4
Confucianism has spread: GreenBay

Other Player Actions:
Christianity has spread: Grenoble (French Empire)
State Religion Change: Mao Zedong (China) from 'no State Religion' to 'Judaism'
Attitude Change: Isabella (Spain) towards Willem van Oranje (Netherlands), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'
Attitude Change: Isabella (Spain) towards Mao Zedong (China), from 'Cautious' to 'Annoyed'
Attitude Change: Mao Zedong (China) towards Louis XIV (France), from 'Pleased' to 'Friendly'
Attitude Change: Mao Zedong (China) towards Mansa Musa (Mali), from 'Annoyed' to 'Cautious'

Turn 153/500 (860 AD) [02-Apr-2015 14:16:59]
Athens begins: Christian Monastery (4 turns)
Lakeside begins: Trebuchet (2 turns)
A Farm was built near Nobamba
Ulundi begins: Barracks (5 turns)
Nongoma begins: Barracks (8 turns)
A Fishing Boats was built near The Hague
NorthFish begins: Courthouse (18 turns)

 

[BSPollux]

OK, clue update incoming

Edit: Done.

 

[Sleepless]

Mmm could always attack Liz next... That should stop her getting to Lib if we leave her one city.

 

[nocho]

Elizabeth ("Elizabeth wants to be treated like the queen she is. You need to impress her with unique status symbols, like...")
a) Rename the proudest ship ever to sail the oceans after her and gift it to her (needs at least 50xp to be worthy)
b) Build a huge statue of her and celebrate it with the biggest party of all time (construct The Colossus, Christo Redentor or The Statue of Liberty during a Golden Age that has at least 11 turns left at time of completion)(not the whole construction needs to happen during the GA, just the completion)
c) Bring her all the luxuries of the world (gift her at the same time: Gold, silver, gems, ivory, fur, pearls(clam), wine and silk. If she already has some, ignore these.)

Isabella ("Isabella is all into romantic gestures. My first suggestion to win her heart would be...")
a) Have the most brilliant minds of your time explain to her that your love is pure, true and eternal (bring one artist, scientist and prophet to her capital and gift them to her)
b) Build her a luxurious summer residence (Gift her a city built on desert and next to the coast or an oasis that has an Odeon, a Grocer and a Castle), you must be at +3 relations with her when you gift this city.
c) not yet revealed

Catherine ("Catherine's heart has to be conquered. You will have to prove your might to her by...")
a) Take control of the worlds most important resources: Control 4 aluminum, 6 uranium and 10 oil resources (control = have inside your borders and connected to your trade network).
b) Prove your might with a military parade in her honor (have the following units in her capital at the same time: 12 armored units, 4 air units and 12 gunpowder units, commanded by a general (unconnected))
c) Be the first to get a serious Space Program running (be the first to complete Apollo Program and build three parts of the spaceship, your choice)

Isa's summer residence might be quite doable if we take one of Mansa's northern cities, have a stint in US (yes, we need mids ) and buy the buildings. Only point of caution is not to research economics so as to not obsolete castles.

All the luxuries in the world; we'd need gold, silver, ivory, wine and silk of our own. Capturing all of Louis and all of Mansa I think will give all of these, but wine(?). That could be some late game capture and subsequent gift though. This one does go very much along the lines of domination.

So Louis is next? That's fine, but I'm having an itch for Liz too. At least capture London and maybe the other western cities. Case in point is the MoM; we could lib nationalism and rush Taj with GE. Then both 3Clam and 3Fish will pop great people in the next 7 or 8 turns. That's another potential Golden Age. Especially if we don't have to save great people for Isa (summer residence sounds better), then Golden Ages and capturing MoM gains ground IMO. Well, food for thought. UoS is a bonus too (minor, but still), especially with our Christian buildings coming online. Boost to Athens too.

Edit: xpost, that's another reason to go for Liz!

 

[Ronnie1]

Looking at the save now!

You got hosed on the trireme roll, I got lucky in my set so it evens out I guess.

We need 90ep on Liz to see her research. We could turn the EP slider up for 1 turn and easily see her research.

 

[Ronnie1]

Now who are the war mongers!

 

[Ronnie1]

None of Mansa's cities are placed properly for a summer home, but we could burn and replant of course.

The Galleons are there so we could sail straight to London, it is kind of on the way to Louis also!