The 2024 US Presidential Election

[Cutlass]

What everybody knows for $200 Alex:

For the past three years, the corporate press and numerous officials in the Biden White House have asserted there is no evidence widespread voter fraud occurred during the 2020 presidential election. Some have even gone so far as to call it the “most secure” election in U.S. history.

However, a poll conducted by Rasmussen Reports — a survey I wrote with a team of experts at the Heartland Institute and discussed last week on Tucker Carlson’s show — not only calls into question that often-repeated claim, it shows the opposite could have been true. According to its findings, voter fraud, especially fraud related to mail-in ballots, may have been common in the 2020 election. This conclusion isn’t based on questionable allegations but on voters’ own responses to the poll questions.

The Heartland Institute/Rasmussen survey, which was conducted from Nov. 30 to Dec. 6, asked likely voters who cast ballots in 2020 questions about fraudulent activities, without telling them such actions were a form of voter fraud. The results were stunning. One in five people who voted by mail admitted to engaging in at least one kind of potential voter fraud, seriously calling into question the security of widespread mail-in balloting.

For example, one question asked, “During the 2020 election, did you cast a mail-in ballot in a state where you were no longer a permanent resident?” Such an action nearly always constitutes fraud. Incredibly, 17 percent of voters said “yes.”

Poll: Result-Shifting Percent Of Voters Admit To Illegal 2020 Voting

One in five mail-in voters admitted to violating election laws in 2020, which should have disqualified their ballots.

thefederalist.com

Republicans commit voter fraud. Film at 11.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Ask which party.

 

[Cutlass]

What everybody knows for $200 Alex:

For the past three years, the corporate press and numerous officials in the Biden White House have asserted there is no evidence widespread voter fraud occurred during the 2020 presidential election. Some have even gone so far as to call it the “most secure” election in U.S. history.

However, a poll conducted by Rasmussen Reports — a survey I wrote with a team of experts at the Heartland Institute and discussed last week on Tucker Carlson’s show — not only calls into question that often-repeated claim, it shows the opposite could have been true. According to its findings, voter fraud, especially fraud related to mail-in ballots, may have been common in the 2020 election. This conclusion isn’t based on questionable allegations but on voters’ own responses to the poll questions.

The Heartland Institute/Rasmussen survey, which was conducted from Nov. 30 to Dec. 6, asked likely voters who cast ballots in 2020 questions about fraudulent activities, without telling them such actions were a form of voter fraud. The results were stunning. One in five people who voted by mail admitted to engaging in at least one kind of potential voter fraud, seriously calling into question the security of widespread mail-in balloting.

For example, one question asked, “During the 2020 election, did you cast a mail-in ballot in a state where you were no longer a permanent resident?” Such an action nearly always constitutes fraud. Incredibly, 17 percent of voters said “yes.”

Poll: Result-Shifting Percent Of Voters Admit To Illegal 2020 Voting

One in five mail-in voters admitted to violating election laws in 2020, which should have disqualified their ballots.

thefederalist.com

"The Heartland Institute is an American conservative and libertarian 501(c)(3) nonprofit public policy think tank known for its rejection of both the scientific consensus on climate change and the negative health impacts of smoking.[2]

Founded in 1984, it worked with tobacco company Philip Morris throughout the 1990s to attempt to discredit the health risks of secondhand smoke and lobby against smoking bans.[3]: 233–234 [4] Since the 2000s, the Heartland Institute has been a leading promoter of climate change denial.[5][6] "

 

[Birdjaguar]

Most of the questions were like this:

4. If a close friend gave you permission to fill out and sign their mail-in ballot, allowing you to use their ballot to vote for anyone that you choose, would you?

All of the "If..." questions are conditional on a friend or relative offers to give their vote to you. That situation is very unlikely. More likely is a situation where a friend or relative asks for help and advice in filling out a ballot. Such questions are like: If your best friends wife offered to have sex with you, would you say yes? They should have added at least one more question though: "If you had a certainly of success would would you shoot DJT to keep him from being elected?" I would guess even higher numbers would say yes.

That poll is stupid and meaningless.

Poll:

Heartland Institute Poll Shows Nearly Three in 10 Voters Would Vote Illegally in 2024 Presidential Election – The Heartland Institute

 

[Gori the Grey]

And created just to be later misreported. The woulds all changed to dids, in the news reports on the results of the poll.

Just like that earlier bogus one Core cited, where they way they got the results they wanted was to ask "do you know someone who cheated in the 2020 election" then reported the results as though they were things the polled reported doing themselves.

This is a concerted effort to discredit and undermine our election process. Phony pollsters working hand in glove with anxiety-generating news outlets.

Look at how disingenuous the Federalist's reporting on this poll is:

not only calls into question that often-repeated claim [that our elections are secure], it shows the opposite could have been true. According to its findings, voter fraud, especially fraud related to mail-in ballots, may have been common in the 2020 election. This conclusion isn’t based on questionable allegations but on voters’ own responses to the poll questions.

It "shows the opposite could have been true" IF VOTERS ACTUALLY VOTED THE WAY THEY CLAIMED IN OUR POLL QUESTIONS THEY MIGHT VOTE IN CERTAIN HYPOTHETICAL SITUATIONS." We never, for the record, bothered asking them whether they did in fact cheat in that way in the 2020 election BECAUSE WE KNOW FULL WELL THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE WHO CHEAT IN ELECTIONS IS VANISHINGLY SMALL.

The could here is technically permissible, and in keeping with the subjunctive nature of the questions in the poll. But in context, we're designed to read it in contrast to the "oft-repeated claim": that according to this poll a different reality could in fact be the case than that oft repeated claim.

Just absolutely sleazy as hell.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Same as the trials. Trumpees have no evidence so all they can do is influence the public.

It's lawfare!
Why?
A lot of people think it is!

The election was rigged!
Why?
A lot of people think it was!

Telling is everytime Alina Habba was asked on Fox how the trial is going, she always answered: It's going great! A large part of the American people see it's a witchhunt.
She is terrible as a lawyer, but she wasn't picked for her lawyer skills. She was picked to sell a narative that is without foundation.

They got nothing but claims.

 

[Core Imposter]

Two polls, lol. Hand wavers.

 

[Gori the Grey]

It took a while to occur to me that there's another factoid to be gleaned by reading between the lines of this Heartland Poll.

The poll found that more Republicans than Democrats report having cheated.

How do we know? Because here's what they say:

Interestingly, respondents’ willingness to commit fraud was similar among Republicans, Democrats, and independents.

"similar." If their poll had shown that Democrats cheated more than Republicans, even by the tiniest degree, you can bet they would have reported that: "with Democrats showing a higher propensity for such cheating than either Republicans or Independents." That they phrased it the way they did--"oh, they're similar"--tells you what the results actually showed.

I mean, it's something that we know anyway from the actual cases that emerge and get prosecuted, almost always Republicans.

But it's nice to have a reliable, methodologically rigorous poll like this one tell us as much.

Pity the pollster himself didn't have the honesty to do so.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Two polls, lol. Hand wavers.

No evidence, lol. Straw grasper.

 

[Sommerswerd]

It took a while to occur to me that there's another factoid to be gleaned by reading between the lines of this Heartland Poll. The poll found that more Republicans than Democrats report having cheated. How do we know? Because here's what they say: "similar." If their poll had shown that Democrats cheated more than Republicans, even by the tiniest degree, you can bet they would have reported that: "with Democrats showing a higher propensity for such cheating than either Republicans or Independents." That they phrased it the way they did--"oh, they're similar"--tells you what the results actually showed.

Good catch. I'll add that BSAB is a pretty good example of exactly this type of spin being used.

 

[Farm Boy]

Fun though, when the logic gets twisted to imply that a different, also negative, behavior doesn't exist because of opposite magnetic polarity.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Nah, that involves a different "twist" in logic: Bird's original skepticism that these hypothetical comments mean anything about how anyone, R or D, actually does vote.

It's absurd on the face of it. The one extra vote that your life circumstances are going to give you to cast (that friend who just hands his ballot over to you for some reason) isn't going to determine the election and could get you in a heap of trouble. Next to no one is going to do this. (There was that guy who cast his dead dad's ballot).

The "political operatives feeding in loads of extra ballots" is at least minimally more plausible, since such an activity at least holds some chance of impacting the election. But that one founders on the fact that they somehow didn't bother impacting state races. All of those phony voters apparently voted for the presidential race only and nothing down ticket.

By far the vast majority of people are content to cast their one vote and then see how things play out.

 

[Birdjaguar]

The GOP and all the enablers are desperate people. They are in fear of losing their hold on US culture and as a response they lie, make up stuff, and project their bad acts on the the Democrats as an act of denial.

 

[Core Imposter]

rah rah, go team

 

[Birdjaguar]

rah rah, go team

I'm glad you agree with us. Perhaps there is hope for you to escape from the MAGA cult.

 

[Sommerswerd]

And the operative "twist" with BSAB isn't that an issue/behavior "doesn't exist" on one pole... its that any existence, regardless of size/scope balances out the other pole, such that the existence on the favoured pole can be excused, justified, ignored, etc., on that basis.

 

[Farm Boy]

Well, yeah. But that's for butt people watchers.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Today I saw an "If I die, don't let me vote Democrat" bumper sticker.

So the message that Democrats cheat at elections is getting out there.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Yeah, off course. Trump said so. No more evidence needed. Trump's word is gospel.

Facts don't matter. Public opinion does.

 

[Core Imposter]

Some 15% of self-checkout users admitted to stealing an item on purpose.

Pulled from some random article on self-checkout machines and posted here to help focus the liberal mind on the reason we need to fix our electoral processes to reduce the incidence of corrupted elections.

Humans inevitably cheat at everything they do. Most people cheat some of the time, some people cheat all of the time, and everyone cheats at least once.