The Justice Department's Legal Argument for Drone Strikes on Americans

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A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.

The 16-page memo, a copy of which was obtained by NBC News, provides new details about the legal reasoning behind one of the Obama administration’s most secretive and controversial polices: its dramatically increased use of drone strikes against al-Qaida suspects, including those aimed at American citizens, such as the September 2011 strike in Yemen that killed alleged al-Qaida operatives Anwar al-Awlaki and Samir Khan. Both were U.S. citizens who had never been indicted by the U.S. government nor charged with any crimes.

The secrecy surrounding such strikes is fast emerging as a central issue in this week’s hearing of White House counterterrorism adviser John Brennan, a key architect of the drone campaign, to be CIA director. Brennan was the first administration official to publicly acknowledge drone strikes in a speech last year, calling them “consistent with the inherent right of self-defense.” In a separate talk at the Northwestern University Law School in March, Attorney General Eric Holder specifically endorsed the constitutionality of targeted killings of Americans, saying they could be justified if government officials determine the target poses “an imminent threat of violent attack.”

But the confidential Justice Department “white paper” introduces a more expansive definition of self-defense or imminent attack than described by Brennan or Holder in their public speeches. It refers, for example, to what it calls a “broader concept of imminence” than actual intelligence about any ongoing plot against the U.S. homeland.

Michael Isikoff, national investigative correspondent for NBC News, talks with Rachel Maddow about a newly obtained, confidential Department of Justice white paper that hints at the details of a secret White House memo that explains the legal justifications for targeted drone strikes that kill Americans without trial in the name of national security.

“The condition that an operational leader present an ‘imminent’ threat of violent attack against the United States does not require the United States to have clear evidence that a specific attack on U.S. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future,” the memo states.

Read the entire 'white paper' on drone strikes on Americans

Instead, it says, an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.” The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”

As in Holder’s speech, the confidential memo lays out a three-part test that would make targeted killings of American lawful: In addition to the suspect being an imminent threat, capture of the target must be “infeasible, and the strike must be conducted according to “law of war principles.” But the memo elaborates on some of these factors in ways that go beyond what the attorney general said publicly. For example, it states that U.S. officials may consider whether an attempted capture of a suspect would pose an “undue risk” to U.S. personnel involved in such an operation. If so, U.S. officials could determine that the capture operation of the targeted American would not be feasible, making it lawful for the U.S. government to order a killing instead, the memo concludes.

The undated memo is entitled “Lawfulness of a Lethal Operation Directed Against a U.S. Citizen who is a Senior Operational Leader of Al Qa’ida or An Associated Force.” It was provided to members of the Senate Intelligence and Judiciary committees in June by administration officials on the condition that it be kept confidential and not discussed publicly.

Although not an official legal memo, the white paper was represented by administration officials as a policy document that closely mirrors the arguments of classified memos on targeted killings by the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Counsel, which provides authoritative legal advice to the president and all executive branch agencies. The administration has refused to turn over to Congress or release those memos publicly -- or even publicly confirm their existence. A source with access to the white paper, which is not classified, provided a copy to NBC News.

“This is a chilling document,” said Jameel Jaffer, deputy legal director of the ACLU, which is suing to obtain administration memos about the targeted killing of Americans. “Basically, it argues that the government has the right to carry out the extrajudicial killing of an American citizen. … It recognizes some limits on the authority it sets out, but the limits are elastic and vaguely defined, and it’s easy to see how they could be manipulated.”

In particular, Jaffer said, the memo “redefines the word imminence in a way that deprives the word of its ordinary meaning.”

A Justice Department spokeswoman declined to comment on the white paper. The spokeswoman, Tracy Schmaler, instead pointed to public speeches by what she called a “parade” of administration officials, including Brennan, Holder, former State Department Legal Adviser Harold Koh and former Defense Department General Counsel Jeh Johnson that she said outlined the “legal framework” for such operations.

Pressure for turning over the Justice Department memos on targeted killings of Americans appears to be building on Capitol Hill amid signs that Brennan will be grilled on the subject at his confirmation hearing before the Senate Intelligence Committee on Thursday.

On Monday, a bipartisan group of 11 senators -- led by Democrat Ron Wyden of Oregon — wrote a letter to President Barack Obama asking him to release all Justice Department memos on the subject. While accepting that “there will clearly be circumstances in which the president has the authority to use lethal force” against Americans who take up arms against the country, it said, “It is vitally important ... for Congress and the American public to have a full understanding of how the executive branch interprets the limits and boundaries of this authority.”

The completeness of the administration’s public accounts of its legal arguments was also sharply criticized last month by U.S. Judge Colleen McMahon in response to a lawsuit brought by the New York Times and the ACLU seeking access to the Justice Department memos on drone strikes targeting Americans under the Freedom of Information Act. McMahon, describing herself as being caught in a “veritable Catch-22,” said she was unable to order the release of the documents given “the thicket of laws and precedents that effectively allow the executive branch of our government to proclaim as perfectly lawful certain actions that seem on their face incompatible with our Constitution and laws while keeping the reasons for the conclusion a secret.”

In her ruling, McMahon noted that administration officials “had engaged in public discussion of the legality of targeted killing, even of citizens.” But, she wrote, they have done so “in cryptic and imprecise ways, generally without citing … any statute or court decision that justifies its conclusions.”

In one passage in Holder’s speech at Northwestern in March, he alluded – without spelling out—that there might be circumstances where the president might order attacks against American citizens without specific knowledge of when or where an attack against the U.S. might take place.

“The Constitution does not require the president to delay action until some theoretical end-stage of planning, when the precise time, place and manner of an attack become clear,” he said.

But his speech did not contain the additional language in the white paper suggesting that no active intelligence about a specific attack is needed to justify a targeted strike. Similarly, Holder said in his speech that targeted killings of Americans can be justified if “capture is not feasible.” But he did not include language in the white paper saying that an operation might not be feasible “if it could not be physically effectuated during the relevant window of opportunity or if the relevant country (where the target is located) were to decline to consent to a capture operation.” The speech also made no reference to the risk that might be posed to U.S. forces seeking to capture a target, as was mentioned in the white paper.

The white paper also includes a more extensive discussion of why targeted strikes against Americans does not violate constitutional protections afforded American citizens as well as a U.S. law that criminalizes the killing of U.S. nationals overseas.

It also discusses why such targeted killings would not be a war crime or violate a U.S. executive order banning assassinations.

“A lawful killing in self-defense is not an assassination,” the white paper reads. “In the Department’s view, a lethal operation conducted against a U.S. citizen whose conduct poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States would be a legitimate act of national self-defense that would not violate the assassination ban. Similarly, the use of lethal force, consistent with the laws of war, against an individual who is a legitimate military target would be lawful and would not violate the assassination ban.”

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_new...egal-case-for-drone-strikes-on-americans?lite

Very interesting, what do you make of this? I find McMahon and the ACLU's position generally more compelling legally.
 
Warrantless wiretapping, stop and frisk, drones over mainland USA, suspended habeas corpus when the executive office feels like it and now you can get hit with a drone strike on a gut feeling, the USA has never been freer.
 
This seems germane:

"I don't want to move somewhere else, because I don't want to become the victim of American foreign policy." Barry Krementz
 
This seems germane:

"I don't want to move somewhere else, because I don't want to become the victim of American foreign policy." Barry Krementz

I don't want to stay because I don't want to become the victim of American foreign policy, but I don't want to move somewhere else, because I don't want to become the victim of American foreign policy.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't
 
Being murdered if they think you are "dangerous" is consistent with indefinite detention, no trial, warrentless wiretaps, and freezing of all financial assets if you are deemed a "threat".

The things that fall into this category will keep expanding until people demand it stops. Still not happening yet. Kind of like how 1000's of things are felonies now.


Related topic, why the cops will lie under oath to get you sent away forever:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/03/o...e-under-oath.html?src=ISMR_AP_LO_MST_FB&_r=1&

Also, the IRS will still tax you if you move overseas these days. And renouncing your citizenship costs $450 since 2010. This will probably go way up in the future if people start trying to get out in numbers.
 
A confidential Justice Department memo concludes that the U.S. government can order the killing of American citizens if they are believed to be “senior operational leaders” of al-Qaida or “an associated force” -- even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the U.S.

A lawful killing in self-defense is not an assassination

Selfcontradictory argumentation.
 
As in Holder’s speech, the confidential memo lays out a three-part test that would make targeted killings of American lawful: In addition to the suspect being an imminent threat, capture of the target must be “infeasible, and the strike must be conducted according to “law of war principles.” But the memo elaborates on some of these factors in ways that go beyond what the attorney general said publicly. For example, it states that U.S. officials may consider whether an attempted capture of a suspect would pose an “undue risk” to U.S. personnel involved in such an operation. If so, U.S. officials could determine that the capture operation of the targeted American would not be feasible, making it lawful for the U.S. government to order a killing instead, the memo concludes.

In particular, Jaffer said, the memo “redefines the word imminence in a way that deprives the word of its ordinary meaning.”

“A lawful killing in self-defense is not an assassination,” the white paper reads. “In the Department’s view, a lethal operation conducted against a U.S. citizen whose conduct poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States would be a legitimate act of national self-defense that would not violate the assassination ban. Similarly, the use of lethal force, consistent with the laws of war, against an individual who is a legitimate military target would be lawful and would not violate the assassination ban.”
It tries to "redefine" many words to dodge the real issues.

I bet if a member of the al-Qaida or the Taliban tried to kill the president that many would rightly call it an assassination attempt, even though he is a "legitimate military target" during a "war" as the commander-in-chief of the military.

And difficulty in apprehending someone to be tried in a court of law isn't any sort of legitimate excuse to assassinate them instead.
 
Halfway through the white paper. Two things are highly troubling: (1) the legal possibility of perpetual war authorized by the 2001 Authorization for Use of Military Force against Al Qaeda; and (2) the administration's argument that this is not reviewable by any court, ever. The lesser (but still unsettling) idea is the use of outmoded concepts of the laws of war to the new realities of armed conflict with terrorist groups. (There is also heavy reliance on the Hamdi case which I believe dealt with detentions, not killing, but I am not going to get that granular here.)

If you take their analysis to its logical conclusion than there is the very real potential for the Executive branch to maintain the un-reviewable authority to kill US citizens from here on out, forever, so long as they (secretly) have some (confidential and unreviewable) evidence that you were a top level Al-Qaeda (or associated force) operative and you had some nebulous plan for an attack that was imminent (but not really imminent because that would be difficult to determine). The "new normal" as it were.

Couple this legal standard with the ever increasing ease of finding and killing anyone on the planet at any time via drones and their ilk, (which will only become better) and you have a fairly scary 21st century unfolding before us.

This is with full understanding of the complexities and inherent danger that comes with battling a determined number of terrorists who want to kill US citizens at home and abroad and who operate undercover and without following any of the traditional laws of armed conflict. I do consider the fact that today, a very small group of people without much in the way of weaponry, training or even money, can operate in relative obscurity and in a small amount of time and without any warning perform an attack that could kill thousands of people. Even with that troubling reality, for me, my relatively low bar here would be a confidential review by a Federal Judge prior to the targeted killing, along with the ability for a private citizen to sue the government following the assassination, similar to the ability to sue the police for killing a suspect. (Which the white paper rejects.) I think that is eminently reasonable considering what is at stake.
 
If anyone wants to condemn the current administration, this is the best reason. It's damnable and dangerous. Frankly, I think terrorists are less dangerous than a government that can assassinate its citizens at will.
 
Soldiers take an oath to defend the consitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Define a domestic enemy and explain why they should be treated differently than other enemies.

I agree, we should treat all enemies the same, the problem is how we are treating them and how we define who is an enemy
 
If US citizens, insist on trying to harm the USA, what exactly do you expect the Fed Gov to do?

Wait for proof? Are you serious? If I had one ton of weaponized Ricin, and was about to release
it in central park.....your telling me you would prefer sending in the NYPD rather than stopping me cold with a hellfire?

People scream to be defended, and then about their freedoms. Make up your minds.
In a perfect world, an armed citizen IN central park would stop me cold.
 
Soldiers take an oath to defend the consitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Define a domestic enemy and explain why they should be treated differently than other enemies.

Right, if you're going to take a Constitutionality tack there's nothing wrong a priori with using deadly force against U.S. citizens. The government does it all the time.

Stuff like this is just whipping up a scare-frenzy about drones. It's hogwash.
 
The white paper does not go so far as condoning the targeted killing of enemy combatant citizens on US soil. Many of the reasons cited in the paper--a hard to find target in hostile, remote terrain that would jeopardize US personnel if they attempted capture; the potential lack of cooperation of host nations, etc.--would not apply if the person was in the United States.

Arguably, current law enforcement constitutional principles, which are well settled, would facilitate the effective capture and/or killing, if necessary, of a US citizen within the United States who was planning a terrorist attack or was imminently about to perform one. E.g. the terrorist about to unleash ricin in Central Park scenario just alluded to. An NYPD officer in that hypothetical situation could already arguably kill that person in such a scenario under current law. It is analogous to a situation where any officer perceives the threat of imminent deadly force against themselves or another innocent person--they can already use deadly force in that scenario. Obviously it would be silly to think you could get a Judge to OK that, it's not feasible.

This white paper is talking about something different. It is talking about a situation which may develop over the course of a few hours or a few days, where a suspected top level terrorist is known to be in a certain location for a small period of time (a window of opportunity) and some sort of military assets, drones or whatever, could be used to take that target out. It is not very different from, say, the cops getting an emergency warrant to effectuate a search at a certain time, or an arrest at a certain place within a certain window. You call the duty judge (a Judge who is assigned to be on call 24/7 solely to sign warrants), they sign off on the warrant and the whole thing takes maybe 15-20 minutes. Why can't we do something similar here?

Are folks advocating that we up the ante on US soil and allow un-reviewable Predator drone strikes in NY City?
 
This is why I jokingly told all my friends they should vote for Mitt Romney. When Mitt Romney starts pulling stuff like this, protest and all hell will be raised about it. If Obama does it, it will just be something of a awkward silence and quite general disgruntledness.

I guess the jokes on me.
 
Are folks advocating that we up the ante on US soil and allow un-reviewable Predator drone strikes in NY City?
Apparently so:

Soldiers take an oath to defend the consitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Define a domestic enemy and explain why they should be treated differently than other enemies.
It seems to me the real threat are those who don't seem to understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights. But they claim they are defending it by advocating the torture and murder of innocent civilians by the GWB administration, and even assassinations of American citizens under quite dubious pretexts under the current one.
 
It seems to me the real threat are those who don't seem to understand the Constitution and Bill of Rights. But they claim they are defending it by advocating the torture and murder of innocent civilians by the GWB administration, and even assassinations of American citizens under quite dubious pretexts under the current one.

This does nothing to address the fact that domestic enemies do exist, and why they should be treated any differently that foreign enemies. This is just a lame attempt to blame shift the issue.

Try addressing the point Form, instead of attempting to divert it.
 
This is why I jokingly told all my friends they should vote for Mitt Romney. When Mitt Romney starts pulling stuff like this, protest and all hell will be raised about it. If Obama does it, it will just be something of a awkward silence and quite general disgruntledness.

I guess the jokes on me.

No I think you're still right. I get the general sense that the response to this is a lot more muted since it is Obama at the helm. So a lot of folks think "well it's Obama, I trust him, this is not totally bad." Which makes sense; if you voted for the guy and you trust him, you're probably not as concerned about this as you would be if someone you didn't trust was putting this out there. But if it was GWB or Romney or someone else I think you would see a lot more outrage. And for folks who are in the "I trust Obama" camp, what happens when he leaves?
 
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