Warlords patch

juni_be_good said:
Cultural win is quite impossible, because human players are not as stupid as AIs, and when many great artists bear in the same civ, everybody understands that this player may win quickly and all take him as a target.
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I haven't tried for cultural in multi-player, but I recently won a cultural victory on Noble in a single-player game without using any Great Artists until the very end. This was somewhat by accident. I had been stumbling around trying to secure a Diplomatic victory as Augustus in a 2 continent Epic game on a big map. Long story, but let's just say all the Buddhists on the opposite side of the world wouldn't vote for me or convert to Christianity no matter how many missionaries I cranked out. Since I hadn't originally been trying for Cultural, I didn't have a Great Artist oriented strategy. Instead I got tons and tons of great scientists. I could easily have gone into space, but I HATE winning that way (and had just done it as Winston in the last game I'd played). So I hardly got any great artists at all, and the one or two I got early were used as specialists in cities that were extremely favorable to great scientist anyway. But I had maxed out the tech tree without any late sharing by 1820, so I coasted for 150 years manipulating the UN to no success. I built every single Wonder of the modern era (except Manhattan, which UN outlawed). Around 1900, I realized I had 2 cities that were easily going to cross the Cultural threshold. I had one more that could be gotten there with a late push. So I did win with a last second Great Artist bomb in that 3rd city around 1948. But the biggest key was manipulating as many religions as I could, and switching capitals to that 3rd city once Rome itself had crossed the finish line.
A lot of background, to build up to this question: Any reason that strategy, with a bit more focus and less stumbling, wouldn't have worked in a multiplayer game without anyone seeing what I was doing? I also had the 1st or 2nd strongest military in the game throughout and had the 3rd strongest civ, Freddy, as my Vassal after the Renaissance.
 
HitAnyKey said:
Can we get confirmation from Alexman that the patch on the website listed above is a valid one? I know I don't want to install it until it's confirmed as an actual patch release from Firaxis.
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you aren't asking seriously if a NO CD released version is a official version are you? would be the first NO CD release version by take2 since...how long do they exist? :) anyway,,, just installed an testing it...has some fixes in it...at least in the SDK..but hard to call this is "patch" you'd have to wait for for all those months...
 
I missed the part where someone said it was a no-CD patch. So yeah, will be waiting until something more official is released. Definately.
 
mrgenie said:
you aren't asking seriously if a NO CD released version is a official version are you? would be the first NO CD release version by take2 since...how long do they exist? :) anyway,,, just installed an testing it...has some fixes in it...at least in the SDK..but hard to call this is "patch" you'd have to wait for for all those months...
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My suspicions are that it is a leaked, early beta-test patch.
 
well, don't you think they would have checked the NO CD issue 100times before releasing the patch? on the official website no patch is listed..funny though that it says inside warlords, patch 2.0.8.0 final! :)
 
EditorRex said:
I haven't tried for cultural in multi-player, but I recently won a cultural victory on Noble in a single-player game without using any Great Artists until the very end. This was somewhat by accident. *snip* Around 1900, I realized I had 2 cities that were easily going to cross the Cultural threshold. I had one more that could be gotten there with a late push. So I did win with a last second Great Artist bomb in that 3rd city around 1948. But the biggest key was manipulating as many religions as I could, and switching capitals to that 3rd city once Rome itself had crossed the finish line.
A lot of background, to build up to this question: Any reason that strategy, with a bit more focus and less stumbling, wouldn't have worked in a multiplayer game without anyone seeing what I was doing?
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Well was anyone warring with you all that time? In a non-team multiplayer game wars will be everywhere. All the time you spent building wonders someone will be building military. Even if you didn't get too many Great Artists, you will still have more cultural infrastructure and thus less military than the next guy. And 1948 is a late culture victory.

Also, human players will be looking at the victory conditions screen once in a while. They will kill you once they spot your high cultural score.
 
Installing this leaked patch is an issue of risk management. If you're willing to risk malware being installed on your PC, and the curiousity is driving you nuts, then - yes, maybe you should install this patch. Otherwise, if you're unwilling to risk having to wipe your PC clean and re-install the OS, avoid it.

I don't trust any software to be installed on my PC, unless it passes my rigorous, paranoid standards. Being so paranoid having such a hard stance has kept me malware-free since the early 80s.

I don't even trust anti-virus software to be installed on my PC. I certainly don't think that there's any conspiracies (such as AV companies manufacturing viruses themselves), but I distrust that the software is useful enough and stable enough to install on my Windows PCs. The less software you have installed on your PC, the less the chance of any crashes or malware slipping in.

A paranoid power-user/programmer can accomplish much more than a software application ever could. This is why I often advise against wasting money on AV software, firewalls, etc. It keeps you on your toes, not having any protection whatsoever. You also have no false sense of security. Obviously, this sort of minimalist approach doesn't work for everyone; it's only of use to those who have the knowledge to manufacture of virus themselves. A cat burglar wouldn't trust alarms to protect his house, nor would a safe cracker trust a safe to protect his valuables. Programmers, while not thieves, might have a dim view of software that guarantees the safety of his computer, when he knows that his own company releases buggy pieces of crap and makes similar claims.

I'm sorry for going so far off-topic, but I urge everyone to avoid non-official patches. I'm just as curious as everyone else as to what's in this mysterious patch, and I'm just as eager to play with the new changes, but I'm patient (and paranoid!) enough to avoid anything as unsafe as this.
 
Powerslave said:
I don't even trust anti-virus software to be installed on my PC. I certainly don't think that there's any conspiracies (such as AV companies manufacturing viruses themselves), but I distrust that the software is useful enough and stable enough to install on my Windows PCs. The less software you have installed on your PC, the less the chance of any crashes or malware slipping in.

A paranoid power-user/programmer can accomplish much more than a software application ever could. This is why I often advise against wasting money on AV software, firewalls, etc. It keeps you on your toes, not having any protection whatsoever. You also have no false sense of security. Obviously, this sort of minimalist approach doesn't work for everyone; it's only of use to those who have the knowledge to manufacture of virus themselves. A cat burglar wouldn't trust alarms to protect his house, nor would a safe cracker trust a safe to protect his valuables. Programmers, while not thieves, might have a dim view of software that guarantees the safety of his computer, when he knows that his own company releases buggy pieces of crap and makes similar claims.
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If you don't install any firewalls or AV, then what do you do that accomplishes what these two things do? How do you protect against and clean viruses and such things?
 
JamieCiv4Files said:
This is an official patch though :)
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If you mean that it was coded by Firaxis then you're probably right. If you mean that it's "official" in the sense of being the release version then you may be wrong. The patch is still not up on Firaxis' site, I just checked to make sure. There could be any number of good reasons why Firaxis has yet to release an eagerly anticipated patch and I'll trust their judgement.

I would caution you that most people have no idea what this unofficial patch will do. Nor do they know whether it will interfere with the proper installation of the release version. I've done some beta testing for games and, believe me, there are some beta patches that you would not want on your machine.

That said, if you're adventurous you can go ahead and install this baby. Just be sure to back up your data and your machine state before you do.
 
JamieCiv4Files said:
This is an official patch though :)
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No offense, but since I don't know you, your stating it does not neccessarilly make it so.

Where did you get the patch, how do you know its official, and why didn't you disclose earlier that you are connected in some way to the website offering the patch?

It comes across as shady, even if its 100 percent legit, because the cloak & dagger guessing game aspects elicit distrust in the community.

just sayin.
 
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