1.17 Russian ideal city placement?
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Dracosolon
King
My personal choices when going for the UHV. St. Petersburg can potentially be one tile higher, it doesn't matter much. You can also settle somewhere in Finland but the Vikings are liable to conquer it or settle before you, so it usually makes more sense to conquer the one they'll settle. Siberian cities can also be shuffled a bit, as long as their third rings touch each other. Nelkan for the Siberian port will never be a great city, but provides Gems and Gold. The alternative is to settle somewhere south but none of the coastal tiles are terribly impressive either, and it's less pressure from your neighbors.
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I usually try to fill the core as efficient possible, so move Moscow 1 west and Petersburg 1 west too. You want to prevent the Norse taken Finland in the South. You can stuff about 11 (3west 4 centre 4 East) cities somewhat roomy in its huge core. 12 if you stack the East even with 5. This gives you a massive core base and allows you to have cities in other places non-historical even. As much cities on the edges of your core, means you can even control later China or India for the resources. Or controls chunks of the Americas!
A fun fact is also you can historical own Cuba.
Only the Mongol stomp is annoying, with not enough troops in a city to prevent anarchy.
A fun fact is also you can historical own Cuba.
Only the Mongol stomp is annoying, with not enough troops in a city to prevent anarchy.
Derdan
Warlord
If you want to maximize core population, you can fit a whopping 9 cities in your core area. All these cities can become strong thanks to Russia's great modifiers. Found Moscow on the starting tile instead of 1W if you want to complete the UHV.
Why farms? Just trying to max core pop? Do you find yourself behind where commerce matters?
TsimTsigal
Chieftain
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Russian core (and historical area, for that matter) lacks commerce overall, it's easier to push for Specialist economy which is generally better in DoC anyway (in Medieval, Vassalage + Manoralism = profit, in lategame, Egalitarism + State Property + State Party trumps almost everything, especially as Russia which really wants State Party). Never was a fan of Cottage economy even in vanilla, and in DoC i feel it to be justified only for some civs like Mali.
Lacks commerce? Maybe I'm not playing optimally but I cottaged the majority of grasslands in my recent playthrough with 1-3 farms per city, they grew at a steady pace until getting supercharged by individualism in the 1700s. Russia has tons of grasslands to make use of cottages and have very wealthy cities like Leningrad. Plus with elective you get a ton of commerce from all the pastures available on core and historical lands which serves you well until the industrial era.
TsimTsigal
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No floodplains, not much commerce-high resources (save for Fur and i think a few in Northern Kazakhstan), low amount of possible good coastal cities, lots of rivers for Watermill spam (+ Meritocracy/State Property, both lean heavily to specialist eco). Of course you can try to build cottage eco, but i feel that both on short and long runs specialist eco will bring you much more benefits, especially given Orthodox have St Sophia. Also you really want to collect some Great Statesmen for your own Warsaw Pact.
Other than Tver that's very similar to my placement, I do Vologda instead which captures two beavers and is super safe. Novgorod though I don't build initially, its purpose will be to work the tiles that neither Pete or Kiev can work, but I build it much later when I am safe and in the lead. Though in my last game Prussia peace-vassalized to me and they have Koenigsberg taking tiles in the Baltic region, so I didn't bother with Novgorod at all.
banzay13
Prince
Why you going to West in this game? Isn't better go in ME or even Asia, anyway it's foreign area for Russia?
Lot of luxury resource, shrines... Mmm...
Spain vassal for ressources. Shrines... True...
