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[Sufyan]

Mars is much better in my opinion. Going to Alpha Centauri was a weirdly unrealistic technology jump from the end of the tech tree. Too much science fiction in a game steeped in history.

 

[Uberfrog]

Given how the nominal end date of Civ is 2050, I feel a Martian colony is perhaps more realistic a goal

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Well, going to alpha centauri was always completely unrealistic in civ. So I think the change in civ6 makes a lot of sense. It makes the science victory much more believable.

I also like that the player no longer has to build a dozen space ship parts and move them to the capital. That was so tedious. It was one reason why I never went for the science victory in civ5.

 

[spfun]

Humans will never leave this solar system. We can only create things that can.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Out of curiosity, did anyone actually read the link I posted? Y'all seem to have missed the point by a country mile

Yes, I saw your link. Scientists believe they have found a planet in the Alpha Centauri system which fits with the old science victory. The point that I and others are making is that the old science victory of going to Alpha Centauri was never believable in the first place regardless of whether there is a planet.

 

[Siptah]

Out of curiosity, did anyone actually read the link I posted? Y'all seem to have missed the point by a country mile

Interesting read. Thanks.

 

[Siptah]

Oh sure, Mars is far more plausible. We definitely know enough science and engineering and the technology either exists or could be invented quickly. The only thing really lacking is political will and the money that comes with it. But sending a man to mars isn't a game changer that means "you win". It feels too easy to be the end goal.

Especially since the chance that Mars will be a second home to humans are incredibly low. And I always thought, that's why Civ wants to go to Alpha Centauri, to find a "second earth."

 

[SupremacyKing2]

Oh sure, Mars is far more plausible. We definitely know enough science and engineering and the technology either exists or could be invented quickly. The only thing really lacking is political will and the money that comes with it. But sending a man to mars isn't a game changer that means "you win". It feels too easy to be the end goal.

Well, I would not describe a manned mission to Mars as "easy". The fact is that if we did colonize Mars that would be quite the accomplishment. I would consider it a "win" because it would mean that human beings are no longer stuck on planet Earth. The problem with the old science victory is that we do not have the tech for colonizing a planet in the Alpha Centauri system, certainly not the way it was presented in the classic tech tree.

 

[BornInTheLoo]

Don't think Civ 6: Beyond Earth will go to Proxima Centauri-b.
If only because the discovered planet is tidally locked and the design team have put so much effort in the day/night cycle

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Oh sure, Mars is far more plausible. We definitely know enough science and engineering and the technology either exists or could be invented quickly. The only thing really lacking is political will and the money that comes with it. But sending a man to mars isn't a game changer that means "you win". It feels too easy to be the end goal.

The victory isn't sending a man to mars, it is establishing a Martian Colony. Basically making Mars a second home for humanity, settling a city off the map.

 

[BornInTheLoo]

The victory isn't sending a man to mars, it is establishing a Martian Colony. Basically making Mars a second home for humanity, settling a city off the map.

American Civ
Leader: Mark Watney
Leader Agenda: Get Off This Planet
Leader Ability: "Let's Science The Moderator Action: <snip> Out Of This" - Potatoes on Mars provide extra food.

Moderator Action: Please do not try to avoid the autocensor.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Windsor]

If you want a different science victory thats both somewhat plausible and (possibly) a big enough event then reaching singularity could be the goal.

Downside is that while colonizing other solar systems is an optimistic and awe inspiring goal, singularity is associated with a much darker future.

But I do agree that just reaching Mars seems somewhat lackluster. The ultimate goal of humankind is to settle that rock?

 

[MrRadar]

Especially since the chance that Mars will be a second home to humans are incredibly low. And I always thought, that's why Civ wants to go to Alpha Centauri, to find a "second earth."

That may be so, but it was already a bit tired as the always standard science victory.
And it seems from the OP link that Mars might be even more hospitable that the newly found planet at Proxima. Let's say it would be the first major step into colonizing our Solar system

And on the subject of Mars colonization, I can suggest a Sci-Fi trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson: Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars. Imo, the best read on the topic and very fitting one for the new science victory, it will certainly help to wait out those two months.

 

[SupremacyKing2]

But I do agree that just reaching Mars seems somewhat lackluster. The ultimate goal of humankind is to settle that rock?

It represents that first step in humanity becoming a space faring race. We went from banging rocks to make fire to living on another planet in a star system.

 

[Uberfrog]

The victory isn't sending a man to mars, it is establishing a Martian Colony. Basically making Mars a second home for humanity, settling a city off the map.

Quite so - the first colony not on Earth marks a significant stepping stone in human history that meshes well with the themes of the series.

In fact it's odd that previous games had you going to set up a mission on a distant planet without ever setting foot on your closest neighbour!

While exploring another habitable planet in a different system is obviously a huge leap from settling Mars, the fact that most Civ games have never really made any real statement about future technology (GDRs, the Space Elevator and XCOM aside) means that a Mars Colony is a more appropriate end goal. I mean the tech tree stops at "Future Tech" - it's really not a game about anything beyond the Information Era.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Hmm, if it's about building a colony rather an apollo like short trip, then I'm sold on mars.

Do we know what the spaceship parts are called? I feel like it would be more immersive to build a hydroponics farm or atmospheric converter and load it up into the rocket that just building booster number 3.

If you look at the end of the tech tree, there are several projects, some are just rockets...others have city graphics, plant graphics, and production graphics. (I'm guessing parts for people to live in, grow food in, and produce stuff locally in)

 

[SammyKhalifa]

Hmm, if it's about building a colony rather an apollo like short trip, then I'm sold on mars.

Do we know what the spaceship parts are called? I feel like it would be more immersive to build a hydroponics farm or atmospheric converter and load it up into the rocket that just building booster number 3.

From what I've read, if you want on the "boat" in any of these proposed missions to Mars, great: just keep in mind that it's a one way trip.

 

[Ll1442]

actually mars could be even more difficult to colonize. If the alfa centauri planet is like earth, we would merely have to build a spaceship to go there. of course it would be difficult to build and a long traveling time, but upon arrival, the planet would be fully accessible.
The issue with mars is that colonizing the hole damm planet either means building large biospheres wherein we could live, have stable mini eco systems, or trying to breath life into the whole planet, both requiring technology and transport of a huge amount of resources, which we don't currently are capable of.

 

[Sufyan]

If the alfa centauri planet is like earth, we would merely have to build a spaceship to go there.

Merely.

The planet in question is not like Earth by the way. It is likely more inhospitable than Mars.