Abolish the "District of Bohemia"

[Shaitan]

Our first three provinces were decided by a one vote margin. The competing plans were:

The "Capital Province" Plan

The "Strictly Geographic" Plan

The Capital Province plan was to be followed up by rule changes that made the Vice President or Domestic Deputy the defacto governor of the "District of Bohemia". Additionally, the Forbidden Palace was to become another "District" under the control of one of these deputies.

These rule changes were never pursued and have died of atrophy. The "district" concept is supported by twisting our laws with verbal symantics to say that the one city province is not defined as a province. This takes a Legislative duty (governing a city) and permanently gives that power to a member of the Executive Branch for no reason except we once were going to do something else.

I propose that we revert the first three provinces to the borders described in the "Strictly Geographic" design. This is supported by several laws. First, we are mandated that our provincial borders be geographically based. Second, there is no legal allowance for districts; we only got there by doing a tongue dance. Third, our constitution separates the powers and responsibilities of the three houses and the use of the "District of Bohemia" directly counters that separation.

 

[Ehecatl Atzin]

I support the 'strictly geographic' design and the adhierence of Bohemia to the Northern Province, since that province is distinctly Fanatikan (the other two provinces that surround the capital have aztec and japanese/russian, I think, cities in them).
There is no reason why the VP or the DD have control over a city.

EA

 

[Chieftess]

*sigh* Here we go again. You know the nay-sayers are going to say "I told you so!". Why did we wait 6 terms to bring this up?

 

[Feodor Ardent]

This "Federal District" phenomenon has limited reasons for its existance, none of which apply in this case. Let's get rid of it and simplify our lives.

Feodor Ardent
LGQ, DMAM, CGA, MGV, DEGT

 

[Chieftess]

The only reason everyone seemed to want it was for "less corrupt provinces". Let's put Bohemia (the province, not the district) back, and redo all of our provinces.

 

[Octavian X]

The only part of the proposal I am against is reverting to the thrid proposal. I am all for adding Bohemia to a province, but I am against adding Morgana to the North Province. The addition of Bavaria would already tip the balance of number of cities. Morgana has been in Taliesin for too long to suddenly change it.

Also, if this proposal is to go through, I would want the North Province renamed Bohemia. Bohemia has been around much longer than the North, anyway...

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

I am against removing Morgana, with a passion. Morgana is a Taliesin city. Its been that since the province was created. Its our most productive and I will Dehli Rebel it if it leaves (up for another, dis?)
Other then that, go ahead.
And give North a better name for gods sake!

 

[Chieftess]

Personally, I think we already did it in for ourselves. We should learn to live with our mistakes.

 

[Ehecatl Atzin]

I proposed in the Senate thread that the Foreman (elected by the governors) should be the governor of the Federal Distric, that way, we don´t abolish the federal distric but we separate the executive and legislative powers. Morgana would remain in Taliesin (I didn´t notice Morgana would go to the North Province)

EA

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

Also- Gooniedum Dacula and Penguin (did I mention Penguin?)
ALL MUST STAY

 

[Ehecatl Atzin]

yes, yes. All should stay, I´m just saying that the one who governs the capital city should change, from the VP or the DD to the Foreman, chosen by governors.

EA

 

[Shaitan]

Originally posted by Chieftess
Why did we wait 6 terms to bring this up?

Because I wasn't a governor until now.

 

[Octavian X]

I would like to reiterate: the District of Bohemia should not be abolished. Rather, a Province of Bohemia, consisting of the current North Province and capital district, should be created.

 

[disorganizer]

we should also discuss other border changes. i believe the provincial sizes are too small for our current style of play... so we maybe end up with 2x the number of provinces we have now... which will lead to many provinces without governors... so why not enlarge the provinces?

i am against putting morgana in another province not only because it was talesin for so long, but also because its the provincial capitol of talesin... and because this way the north province would get too much corruption benefit from too many cities near the capitol.

 

[Shaitan]

How about the Province of North Bohemia?

Morgana could stay in Taliesin. There's a natural cut in the mountains that can be used to keep the borders based on geography with Morgana in that province.

 

[Shaitan]

This proposed border set keeps all of the cities (excepting Bavaria, of course) in their current provinces. It follows natural borderlines, taking the isolated mountains northeast of Bavaria as being separate from the northern chain of mountains in Taliesin.

Blue borderlines are the existing ones. Yellow lines are the proposed new borders.

 

[Cyc]

If you're going to put the Capital District in The North Province, then I think you should do just that. This would not include taking the two mountain tiles NW of Morgana from the Taliesin Province. This would also not include renaming The North Province. If a beaucratic solution is the reason for the change, then let The North Province take the Capital District under its wing and be done with it. Please don't use this as an excuse to achieve other purposes.

 

[Shaitan]

@Cyc - My intent was to revert to the non-district border proposal. Resistance to having Morgana moved from Taliesin prompted the border proposal above. Culling those mountain tiles is necessary to follow natural borders.

Looking again though, it would not be strictly necessary to do so. Assume one continuous chain of mountains across the top of Taliesin includes those two orphans and we could indeed move just the 9 tiles from the district while obeying the mandate to follow terrain.

 

[FortyJ]

Naturally, the Great Southwest Province feels that the district should be incorporated into it's borders.

 

[Shaitan]

I've posted an info poll here with the three border setups discussed so far. From the verbal feedback here I'm confident that the original proposed borders will not gain acceptance and it will be between the one I posted above and the one described by Cyc. Please vote in the poll.