Advice needed

Delphi456

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So far the only source of iron I can see is buried in the jungle. Not sure if this should be my priority or if I should concentrate on settling the nice land between me and England. Advice?

ps. no spoilers if you find another source of iron closer.
 

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I would find a way to get that Iron. I didn't look at the save b/c I am at work;) If you don't need it for war you can trade it etc.
 
I would switch the javelin thrower city to a settler, use that one and the one already under production to grab the iron. It looks like you'll have two settler factories once that granary is done, so you should be able to start a land grab near the english pretty quickly.

I'd say the iron is important enough to go for.
 
Hey, this is an interesting dilemma I'm often facing myself in a game: do we go out of our way to grab that important strategic resource, or do we continue our initial expansion and grab the fertile lands around us first?

I often don't know what's best. In the game you're presenting here, I would probably continue to work from my strengths as agricultural civ. That means continuing to settle on rivers for the extra food bonus, and trying to grab as much of the cattle and game as possible.
I think the dilemma about the iron was bigger if you hadn't already got a horse within reach. Horses are more important in the early game than iron. If the Mongols are going to settle in the jungle, you'll probably end up much bigger than them, and your horses will be able to handle the Mongols. Hopefully your horses will be able to secure that iron for you a bit later on in the game, if other expansion possibilities have been exhausted. Err.. edit: I see now you're playing Emperor. I'm only playing Monarch. Your opponants will be bigger. And the faster research on your level probably also explains why your researching philosophy first (see below).

That's the strategy that I would pick, but I'm not a very good player.

Another point: I see that you're researching philosophy, before code of laws. Many players would choose this the other way round. If you already have code of laws if you're finished researching philosophy, you can pick republic as your bonus tech: the so called republic slingshot. Or maybe you're hoping to trade for code of laws?

Anyway, good luck with this game. Let us know how you get on!
 
Sorry, but the Outside In expansion strategy is only valid at the lower difficulty levels.

When the AI gets bonuses on the human, such as Monarchy and above, this strat falls apart completely because the AI will beat you to all those border spots and even if you get there first, the cities are either completely corrupt or will culture flip to the AI. Plus, it's a huge waste to make your settlers walk great distances before settling.

Sending out an advance settler to cover a chokepoint or grab a resource can be a good idea on occasion, but nothing to build a complete opening strategy around.

If you look at the second page of forum discussion on that article (click on the link to "discuss this article in the forum" at the bottom of the article) then you will see some players discuss how this strategy fails on the higher levels.
 
Iron is always a priority until you have 1 preferably 2 sources. The only exception to this is being alone on an island, maybe. Don't underestimate the AI sending a settler 20 squares away from its capital to plop down a city out of nowhere. I have gotten into more wars using archers because of this. Not that they can't be effective but swords in my army just brings a sigh of relief.
 
I've never successfully made the republic slingshot on emperor level because I played Huge maps; which really speeds up the tech pace because there are so many civs. This one is a large pangea and I was afraid of losing the free tech from philo if I researched CoL first; that's why I opted for the safe route.

I did move into the jungle to settle 3 gems, but iron is still far away. The good news it that the Mongols (who have 2 iron near them; one of which I want) are at war with 3 civs, so they won't be settling iron anytime soon. I may join the fight later, but right now I've got waaaay too much good land to settle.
 
Keep in mind that you also have horses nearby, thus making the iron less of a priority, assuming you can get HBR soon.
 
i haven't looked at the .sav

you get the iron right before another civ gets a chance to get it. OR you get it once you run out of good places to drop a city.
 
I dunno - I usually figure if you get the good land, you can take iron later.

It just means you have to build a bunch of archers instead of swords. Pain in the ass, but what the heck.
 
You shouldn't connect up the Iron for a little while even after you claim it, but I'd claim the territory at least, just to keep the other civs from getting their filthy mitts on the Iron resource, particularly if they haven't got any other sources. If they've already got some, it doesn't matter if they get another, it's just easier to rush your enemies if they don't have swords.
 
I wouldn't worry about the iron if I were you. A core of several productive cities would churn out more archers in less time. Iron is pretty useful, but it's by no means as be-all or end-all as people make it out to be.
 
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