Any gentlemen in this forum?

[GenghisK]

Does anybody know how long a "normal" MP Civ game lasts? Of course, by normal, I do NOT mean the rush games.(I think there's no point in winning in 5 minutes by sending 100 warriors in the ennemy's town...) As I'm planning to play on the Net (but not too much, it's too expensive), I need know approximately the duration of a game to estimate my cost

I'm seriously considering having a *fun* MP game with "gentlemen". I mean a game without nuke, nor extermination, but only ss victory. Do such pacifist people still exist on Earth?

Or I'm the only utopist guy on the world and worthy for the asylum

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[Håkon]

I am. But I don't have Multiplayer.

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[stormerne]

Well I'm a gentleman, but I also do not have MP and do not have the time to play MP.

But I would challenge your definition of a gentleman! Being a gentleman and being a pacifist are completely independent. Being a gentleman is about being honourable. So if you want a gentleman, in Civ terms you should be asking instead for someone who maintains a Spotless reputation.

However what you want is not a gentleman. What you want is a pacifist! That I am not, but you may find one or two here if you are honest about your real requirements.

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[Hell-Raiser]

I Love to Play A "gentleman" game!!
To bad I don't have MP(yet) Only the classic and very soon ToT (CAn't wait for it!!!!)

Wll good luck finding a Gentleman!

 

[GenghisK]

I Love to Play A "gentleman" game!!

All right. That's good, that's good

To bad I don't have MP(yet) Only the classic and very soon ToT (CAn't wait for it!!!!)

Would't you mind to have a fun "race to Alpha Centauri" with me (and any other pacifist) once you have the MP version?
I'll be waiting for you. In fact that's wrong since I'm waiting to have an internet access at home so...

Hey Sekong, seems I'm looking for you

If you're reading this post.


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Genghis K.

 

[CornMaster]

I would call myself a gentleman in Civ. (Respect treaties, destroy enemies) But I always play for conquest. Never for spaceship. And I rarely use nukes.

I'm a pretty fast player too. And I have Civ 2 Gold.

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[drake]

Does anybody know how long a "normal" MP Civ game lasts? Of course, by normal, I do NOT mean the rush games.

It depends on
1)How many people you're playing with
2)How fast the people you're playing with are/experienced
3)Size of map
4)Interest of players/dedication

For instance, I'm playing a diplo game at the moment on the large world map with 4 experienced players. All of us are pretty quick with our movements and all are very involved and interested in the game. As of now, the game has been going on for almost 4 months now, playing once a week for 4 hours. I think we had a few weeks off, so approx. 13-14 sessions (Around 50 hours give or take a few). It's 1880 now and things have slowed considerably due to railroad/huge amount of units, so I'm guessing we'll have another month or two before this game finishes up (unless someone can sneak a ship off the earth some how

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So it goes without saying genghis, that if you want to Finish a game on a large map with several people, you're going to have to invest a fair amount of time. However, the sad truth is, that most games of these types do not get finished. Youll have to find a special group to do so.

As far as the gentlemen thing goes, you should look into playing a diplo game. War is of course allowed, since war plays a big part in civ (what else would you do with all those units?), but in this type of game all actions should be justified and explainable. Basically, nothing you or your opponents do should just be mindless. No mindless warmongering or anything like that. If you want to know more, just let me know.

 

[drake]

Oh yeah, I thought it was ironic that a peaceful pacifist would have the name Genghisk as their username

 

[GenghisK]

Oh yeah, I thought it was ironic that a peaceful pacifist would have the name Genghisk as their username

Oh, you know, it's an old story...

And actually I didn't even chosed this knickname. I was given it. Why? Try to guess. Hint: look at my first name. It's Khanh. So some people found it "logical" to call me Genghis Khan. It the same name, minus the final "h"

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Genghis K.

 

[TimTheEnchanter]

I don't mind going to a "Gentlemen's Club" every once in a while.

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[MrLeN]

I understand that if it costs you alot of money to be online and you want to play a game that will allow a level of fun that will not destroy the game, but I really don't think that you will find it.

It should take about 24 full hours to complete a game. That is a very rough estimate. It could take several more, depending on how many players (including AI) there are.

I think you should ditch the term gentlemen, because most people here are quite nice and I consider most Civ Fanatics to be gentlemen, wheather they nuke ot not.

To tell you the truth, it is my most humble opinion that most of the people that you will find here will not allow the game to get to the nuke stage, and would allready have been won/lost.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

MrLeN

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[drake]

To tell you the truth, it is my most humble opinion that most of the people that you will find here will not allow the game to get to the nuke stage, and would allready have been won/lost.

It really depends on who you play with. Personally, I'd never play a game in which the sole intent is to end a game as fast as possible. If the game doesnt have a chance of making into modern times, don't sign me up. And from Genghis's desire for a space race, I'd guess he wouldnt want to play those type of games either.

As far as the gentlemen thing goes, I think MrLen is right in that most civ players are very nice people who are easy to get along with...that being said, just because they're nice, doesnt mean that they're nice civ players

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[Smash]

What you are describing is a Diplomatic Game.Or diplo game.Or dip game.

In this type game,the players main concern will be playing rather than winning.Role playing is used and players try to emulate a realistic development.
Sneak attacks are banned.Events are played out as they would unfold in the real world....sorta

.Wars follow a growing hostility,a breakdown in relations perhaps triggered by an act of espionage(tech theft).The offending civ would be condemned publicly by the "victim" and an effort to sway world opinion would be undertaken.3rd party civs are expected to offer resolutions and instigate negotiations etc.

Basically,most conflicts are solved thru non-military action.Thats not too say there won't be wars.Quite the opposite actually.But now the player must consider how their actions might be view by other nations.They may try to gain political support before moving etc.

Its takes some player co-operation to work real well.I mean you have to play without "win at all cost" mentality.

These games can last from 3 months to 2 years.Depending on how often it is played.

Hourwise,I think one should expect to invest 50+ hours into the game.Assuming the game goes to a finish which is a minor miracle in itself.

 

[GenghisK]

Thanks everybody for replies and advices.
1) You're right, using the "gentlemen" word is quite wrong, since I've forgotten the fact that anyone on this forum is one

2) Special thanks to Drake for his "exhaustive" description.
3) Special thanks to Smash too. But I'm really surprised that only few MP games are finished. In fact as I've never gone for an internet game so I thought it was logical that any game started has to be finished. Obviously I'm wrong and it's a pity

But 2 years for a game seem incredible! Sounds like you've witnessed such a thing, right?

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[sekong]

Actually, both present type of dipo game or duel don't fit you. Duel is generally too fast, no hope for AC race. Dipo is too long. What fits you is a kind of dipo but reduce the science factor: from 10/10 to 5/10 or even 2/10. maybe plus no micro-management, which means no increace busy, etc, and make each turn very fast. It's kind of game I'm looking for myself. Such a game can be expected to be finished within 5hr or so. Before AD. you can have the SS launched I hope. You may call it unrealistic. But it's the game durable and affortable, and hopefully enjoyable.

my 2 cents

[This message has been edited by sekong (edited March 27, 2001).]

 

[GenghisK]

Hi Sekong,
you're right after all. I'm very paradoxical, you know

that's why I need psychologists such as you

In fact, perhaps I'd better be looking for dipo games, although the price to pay is obvious...

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Genghis K.

 

[sekong]

If you are looking for dipo game, the best place is apolyton.net.
Here is a game I'm in:
Click here

And there are also some other good dipo going. Most important, you can find dedicate dipo players.

Have fun

 

[GenghisK]

Tell me, Sekong,
I'm a bit clumsy and stupid but I didn't understand how apolyton worked. It's another forum, not a MP game server, right? Actually I had just a glance at it since I was a bit busy but. Could you explain me how we can "see" a current MP game being played please.

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Genghis K.

 

[sekong]

Yes, it's another forum. As far as I know, it's a forum that much earlier than this one. It's not a game server. The oonly game server I know is working is at zone.com. But I never be able to use it for civII

When I can play in that zone, I don't have civII MPE. When I finally get CIVII, I can't get into zone.com.

Anyway, all civ2 MPG I played was IP games. Players communicate by ICQ. First get ICQ then get a bunch of other players' ICQ numbers. When someone host a game, he can get an IP number, then he tell others the IP by ICQ. Then you can rock for a general IP game.

But for a dipo game, you generally need longer time for preparing. Find players, find the time that most can commit on, sellect a map, make agreement on the rules, etc. Therefore you need a forum for this. So far apolyton.net's civII multiplayer board has the best organized dipo as far as I know.

Also, in a dipo game, it requires some role playing. The thread I gave to you was that kind of thread. After each session or two, players write something about last session. Actually most found those trash talking part is the funnest part of the game. For example whe you finally can build SS, some other nations may come out and warn you that "Don't do that, or you will face the war!". That's what happened in suas's Monday night dipo. You should read their trash talks, really interesting. You could have part of the enjoyment without actually play it.

 

[sekong]

Originally posted by GenghisK:
Tell me, Sekong,
I'm a bit clumsy and stupid but I didn't understand how apolyton worked. It's another forum, not a MP game server, right? Actually I had just a glance at it since I was a bit busy but. Could you explain me how we can "see" a current MP game being played please.

Oh, if you want to "see" a current MP game, then from those thread, you can read their trash talk, report, screen shot, like powergraph, Top 5 cities, polite maps, etc. The dipo I'm in even has a website of ourown. Chech drake's post in this thread, you can find the link.

If you have CIVII MPE, you can download some saved games and load it yourself. But it won't work with a civII classic edition I guess. The fle format are different.