Armageddon

[Dreadnought]

I think there should be armageddon if pollution and radiation levels get too high (pollution from cities and radiation from nukes). They could make a five grided chart to show radiation like this:

1st stage - yellow: minor global warming
2nd stage - light orange: more global warming
3rd stage - orange (or dark orange): A great ammount of global warming and people in cities begin to die from radiation
4th stage - light red: catastrophic global warming and many people die from radiation
5th stage - red: too much radiation; armageddon is experienced.

The Domestic Advisor could inform you when the levels reach a new stage. Also there could be a great wonder (or small wonder) that helps prevent armegeddon. You could access the armageddon chart at VP Screen.

Any comments???

 

[searcheagle]

This may be nice for people who like for the game to end at a certain time, but as for me, I do no consider civ won till I have defeated a civ. However, it could make for a more dramatic end for those people who actually consider the clock the true measure of victory.

 

[MSTK]

And he gathered them together into a place called Armageddon. And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

I don't think that Armageddon fits the description

 

[searcheagle]

Dreadnought was obviously referring to a global disaster, not the Biblical Armageddon. After all, a series of worldwide disasters is referred to as Armageddon.

 

[Dreadnought]

yes I did mean global disaster!

 

[Elgalad]

Having it for global disasters is fine with me, but then include other major disasters like meteor strikes, earthquakes, droughts, new volcanoes, forest fires, etc. And one thing I have always (vehemently) been opposed to is the preachy aspect of the game by forcing global warming effects as a direct limit on industrialization. They are in essence 'educating' we players to a certain philosophy which I find fallacious The supposition which is that mankind can somehow act outside the bounds of nature and permanently damage the Earth or biosphere to me smacks of junk science. Oh yes, movies such as the Day after Tomorrow are great science fiction, but I have yet to seen any Real concrete substantion of effects like that. If someone would care to debate it with me, fine, but it would be better done on the off topic forum.

In any case, natural global disasters might add fun elements to the game. Keep the option to disable them of course. One thing I've always enjoyed about the SimCity games is the ability to break what I just built and then try to fix it again.

-Elgalad

 

[Nisus]

Elgalad: Just to avoid going too far off topic

Global warming has been portrayed pretty much the exact same way in all of the Civ games, it'll be interesting to see another take of it for Civ4. Natural disasters like SimCity would be good, and by this Armageddon thing do you mean the climate changing rapidly, ocean levels changing, things like that? so cities and units could be wiped out by the changes? It'd also be interesting to see if something like environmental treaties could be offered; like START or the CTBT to reduce the number of nukes or nuclear detonations.

 

[sealman]

Anything effects of global pollution should not be incorporated into the game until after the AI is "taught" to clean up its messes. I can't recall the number of times I have seen, in the modern area, where the AI's civs are coated in pollution tiles and he is not cleaning it up.

 

[Dreadnought]

@Nisus - Something like that, water levels changing, that kind of thing. Also, just like Venus: greenhouse effect forms, and radiation levels rise, etc.