Asia in WW2, questions.

[The Art of War]

Could someone tell me the year Japan invaded China? Also, if you have a link to a timeline or some history, could you post it? Thanks.

 

[Switch625]

The first attack by Japan on China took place in 1931. The end of this conflict resulted in Manchuria being separated from China and being set up as a puppet state of Japan. The invasion of China began, in earnest, in 1937. Here is a link for more info. Use any search engine to find out more.

 

[The Art of War]

Thanks. I've been looking around, but I guess I didn't use the right key words...

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Also the first modern war betw the two was the Sino-Japanese War of 1895, where Japan emerged as a great power and took Taiwan fr China and reinforced its 'influence' over Korea, which had hitherto been a Chinese vassal state for centuries. But this had nothing much to do with WW2.

Well, in fact, the first direct land action betw the Chinese and Japanese was in the 16th century when the Japanese warlord Hideyoshi got it into his head to attk/conquer China. He landed samurai in Korea and the Koreans, reinforced by Ming Chinese troops, fought and eventually drove the Japanese back.

 

[mcdh]

Originally posted by Knight-Dragon
Also the first modern war betw the two was the Sino-Japanese War of 1895, where Japan emerged as a great power and took Taiwan fr China and reinforced its 'influence' over Korea, which had hitherto been a Chinese vassal state for centuries. But this had nothing much to do with WW2.

Well, in fact, the first direct land action betw the Chinese and Japanese was in the 16th century when the Japanese warlord Hideyoshi got it into his head to attk/conquer China. He landed samurai in Korea and the Koreans, reinforced by Ming Chinese troops, fought and eventually drove the Japanese back.

The first Sino-Chinese war was in 1894, and Japan formally beat up China and became the sole power in east Asia. In the Japanese Russian War, Japan drove Russian out of Northeastern China, and stationed armied there ever since. The first formal military conflict between China and Japan in WWII was on Sep 18, 1931.

Kubli Khan tried to invade Japan twice, and failed in both times.

 

[allhailIndia]

Originally posted by mcdh


The first Sino-Chinese war was in 1894, and Japan formally beat up China and became the sole power in east Asia. In the Japanese Russian War, Japan drove Russian out of Northeastern China, and stationed armied there ever since. The first formal military conflict between China and Japan in WWII was on Sep 18, 1931.

Kubli Khan tried to invade Japan twice, and failed in both times.

That was probably due ti the Divine wind, which scattered all his ships... and we blame Civ3 for randomness

 

[philippe]

and what was the role of india into this?after all they are neighbours

 

[mcdh]

Originally posted by philippe
and what was the role of india into this?after all they are neighbours

There was no india as a country until 1947.

 

[philippe]

oh i didnt know that

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by philippe
and what was the role of india into this?after all they are neighbours

India and China didn't interact much during the course of pre-modern history except for the odd import like Buddhism into China. The reason was that there was this great mountain range called the Himalayas betw the two and jungles and deserts elsewhere.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by mcdh
The first Sino-Chinese war was in 1894, and Japan formally beat up China and became the sole power in east Asia. In the Japanese Russian War, Japan drove Russian out of Northeastern China, and stationed armied there ever since. The first formal military conflict between China and Japan in WWII was on Sep 18, 1931.

Shld be the Sino-Japanese and the Russo-Japanese wars. But Japan didn't stay in Manchuria 'ever since'; towards the end of WW2, the Soviets attacked in force and threw the Japanese back (who weren't really prepared to meet a really modern blitzkrieg-style military force).

Kubli Khan tried to invade Japan twice, and failed in both times.

Luck.

 

[stationery2]

I'd like to say something about Kubilai Khan invading japan and failing.
All the warships and most soldiers were actually korean soldiers.
However, the commander was a Mongolian general called Hundo and his advisor was korean general called Yee BangKyung.
Yee knew about the storm of japan (wich they call kamikaze nowadays), and advised Hundo to land on japan and set up a camp. However, Hundo feared that he might take away his 'light' and ignored it. They were doing well. Japanese troops were actually no match at all with mongolian and korean soldiers. However.... during their stay on the ship over the night, storm struck and....
The rest, as you know, ships got devastated and all that.

Second invasion failed because of similar reason.

 

[God]

Didn't India and China have a war in the 20th century? Not a big one, but somewhere dealing with Nepal?

The imperialistic Japanese crushed China in the Sino-Japanese war. Later Japan defeated Russia in the Russo-Japan war and gained Manchuria.

 

[napoleon526]

Yee knew about the storm of japan (wich they call kamikaze nowadays)...

I belive a close translation would be 'divine wind'. The Japanese thought that the mongol fleet had been destroyed by winds from heaven. In WWII Japanese used the name kamikaze because they felt that by crashing their planes into American ships, they would be a 'divine wind' that would drive the enemy away from their shores. Although it didn't quite work out the way they wanted, kamikaze attacks in the last year of the war destroyed more US ships than conventional attacks had in the past three.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by God
Didn't India and China have a war in the 20th century? Not a big one, but somewhere dealing with Nepal?

In 1962. Ironic 'cause India was one the earliest nations to recognize the PRC and a close friend thru out. But hyped on by the media and feeling muscular, the Indian govt decided to send a plains army up into the highlands to fight the Chinese. Of course, the ill-equipped and badly-supplied Indian units got trashed by the Chinese, who had been in Tibet for yrs and acclimatised for mountain warfare.

Let's hope this dumbest of wars is unrepeated. The war was fought over the demarcation of the Sino-Indian border to the east of Nepal. Nothing to do with Nepal at all. You could say it was fought over dots on the map, which represented areas of no economic value to either side.

 

[Knight-Dragon]

Originally posted by stationery2
I'd like to say something about Kubilai Khan invading japan and failing.
All the warships and most soldiers were actually korean soldiers.
However, the commander was a Mongolian general called Hundo and his advisor was korean general called Yee BangKyung.
Yee knew about the storm of japan (wich they call kamikaze nowadays), and advised Hundo to land on japan and set up a camp. However, Hundo feared that he might take away his 'light' and ignored it. They were doing well. Japanese troops were actually no match at all with mongolian and korean soldiers. However.... during their stay on the ship over the night, storm struck and....
The rest, as you know, ships got devastated and all that.

Second invasion failed because of similar reason.

The force on board the first expedition was composed of Mongol and Korean troops. The ships were all provided for by the Koreans.

Kublai Khan was so pissed that when he launched the second expedition, he threw in Chinese ships as well, and Chinese sailors, fr the recently subjugated Southern Song. The second fleet was much bigger. Still failed.

However, the ruling Japanese clan (forgotten which one; Hojo or Fujiwara I think) exhausted itself so much in preparing for the expected second invasion that it collapsed and Japan went into turmoil as well.