Babylon

Babylon isn't agricultural so no cheap aqueducts. Also agricultural civs don't get cheap granarys.
 
While nobody has said how it sucks, nobody has given any recognition of their UU.

Since archer type units have been given a defensive bombadment rating, I started keeping some in all attacking forces in the early game. The Bab UU can be sent out for this reason, still add a bit of offence if need be, and defend as well as any other early (non UU) unit. If you do not start with Iron, they are a prime unit for "taking" it.

I just finished a early war with an AI Bab and I hated those UU. Most every time I made an attack, the defender got a free shot at me.
 
The Ottomans are IMO the best civ. Awesome traits Awesome UU what more do you want? I also like the Chinese, Germans, Russians and Austrians.
 
I too like playing as Babylon. Just to make the game more challenging for myself, I will disable cultural victory. I find it rather annoying when I'm going for a conquest victory but I get the cultural victory a hundred turns ahead of schedule. And no, I can't be bothered to do the micromanaging to keep from triggering a cultural victory too early.
 
Originally posted by silver 2039
The Ottomans are IMO the best civ. Awesome traits Awesome UU what more do you want? I also like the Chinese, Germans, Russians and Austrians.
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Ottomans are very good. I won a domination game with them. Made a beeline for military tactics and triggered a GA and went forth and plundered. Don't think I ever researched another tech and my core cities largly stopped producing buildings. Wish I could have mobilised.
 
My first cultural win was with the Babs. It was almost too easy.

Their trait combo, with a good UU, would be unbalancing, I think. The weaker UU goes nicely with their strong traits.

Ironically, my second cultural win was with the Incas. Agri/exp. Not very 'cultural', you'd think. But I got the 100k win with them.

I certainly don't like playing against the babs. . .while some may call them 'weak', I've found they can expand to quickly and grab territory in a hurry with their cheap temples and libraries.

Not a bad civ. . .not my favorite. But a decent civ.

Hmm. . . I may have to revisit them again. It has been a while since I've played them.
 
Originally posted by Mike.doc
Excuse to interfer here..
What is UU ?
@Longasc: how could I keep the Celts in Vanilla ?
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Unique Unit.
 
The combination of religious and scientific makes Babylon a cultural monster, which is precisely why I think China should also have had those traits. I mean how else would you characterize China's relationship with the rest of Asia?

I too share a fondness for the Ottomans, but that's mostly because I haven't purchased C3C yet. I'll probably wait for the official patch.
 
Hi Zardnaar - no cheap granaries for agricultural Civs?

I just tested it - you are right. The encyclopedia says they get them cheaper... :mad:

You may now pay reparations to the Celts, I am no longer interested in any Civs with the Agricultural trait. ;)
 
Originally posted by Longasc
Hi Zardnaar - no cheap granaries for agricultural Civs?

I just tested it - you are right. The encyclopedia says they get them cheaper... :mad:

You may now pay reparations to the Celts, I am no longer interested in any Civs with the Agricultural trait. ;)
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The sgricultural trait is still very powerful and has nice synergy with Expansionistic, Religeous, and Indstrial traits although it seems to work with all of them.
 
I think a lot of players liked Babylon in vanilla, but in C3C its value has been downgraded by (1) the much more time-consuming nature of the tech lines (2) the introduction of ToA (3) the fast growth of agro civs (see Superslug's latest HoF offering) (4) the seemingly considerably worse odds of popping a tech from goody huts. In vanilla, a standard trick with Babylon was study mysticm, build warrior, warrior, temple, hope that the warriors pop all the tech you need and you are well on your way to a culture victory, especially if you can build libraries before 10bc. You now have to be very lucky for this to work in C3C

On the issue of the UU, IMO the problem is not the power, in percentage terms it is quite an upgrade, but the fact that you end up with a ludicrously early GA (assuming that you are using the UU to take out cities defended with warriors) The upgrade line is also dubious, but that's not unusual with UUs.
 
How come the Babylonians in real life did not survive the ancient ear if they are so good? :cry:
 
What happened to Babylon rather depends on whether you read the Old Testament or the New one. In the Old Testament, Babylon becomes corrupt, wastes too much money on entertainment, not enough on the military, gets caught up in a three-way Sid-level dogpile with the Medes and the Persians and is destroyed.

In Revelations, though, Babylon is this all-powerful state and God has to downgrade its status, a sort of Firaxis patch.

Either will do, but I think the Revelations version is remarkably close to a culture-victorious vanilla Civ III Babylon. For instance

1. Babylon would be an END TIME GREAT NATION (Rev 17,18; Isa 13:6).
2. Babylon would have a huge seaport city within its borders (Rev 18:17).
3. The Great City Babylon is the home of a world government attempt (Rev 17:18).
4. The Great City Babylon would be the economic nerve center of the world (Rev 18:3).
5. Babylon would be the center of a one world Luciferian religious movement (Jer 51:44).
6. Babylon would be the center for the move to a global economic order (Rev 13:16).
BABYLON THE NATION
1. Babylon would be the youngest and greatest of the end time nations (Jer 50:12).
2. Babylon would the QUEEN AMONG THE NATIONS (Isa 47:5,7; Rev 18:7).
3. Babylon would be the most powerful nation in the world (Isa 47, Jer 50, 51, Rev 18).
4. Babylon would be the HAMMER OF THE WHOLE EARTH (Jer 50:23; Rev 18:23).
5. Babylon is called a lady, and has the symbol of the Lady (Isa 47:7-9).
6. Babylon would be the praise of the WHOLE EARTH (Jer 51:41).
7. Babylon is center of world trade (Jer 51:44; Rev 17:18; 18:19).
8. Babylon would grow to be the richest nation in the world (Rev 18:3, 7, 19, 23).
9. All nations that traded with Babylon would grow rich (Rev 18:3).
10. The merchants of Babylon were the GREAT MEN OF THE EARTH (Rev 18:23).
11. Babylon is a huge nation, with lands, cities, and great wealth (implied throughout).
12. Babylon is nation "peeled", or timbered, a land of open fields (Isa 18:2).
13. Babylon is land quartered by mighty rivers (Isa 18:2).
14. Babylon is a land that is measured out, and populated throughout (Isa 18:2).
15. Babylon destroys her own land, with pollution and waste (Isa 14:20, 18:2, 7).
16. Babylon is a land rich in mineral wealth (Jer 51:13).
17. Babylon is a the leading agricultural nation of the world (Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).
18. Babylon is the leading exporting nation in the world (Jer 51:13; Rev 18).
19. Babylon is the leading importing nation of the entire world.(Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).
20. Babylon is a nation filled with warehouses and granaries (Jer 50:26).
21. Babylon is the leading INDUSTRIAL NATION OF THE WORLD (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51; Rev 18).
22. Babylon is noted for her horses (Jer 50:37).
23. Babylon is noted for her cattle, sheep and other livestock (Jer 50:26, 27; Rev 18:13).
24. Babylon is noted for her fine flour and mill operations (Rev 18:13).
25. Babylon is a nation of farmers and harvests huge crops (Jer 50:16, 26, 27).
26. Babylon is a huge exporter of MUSIC (Rev 18:22).
27. Babylon's musicians are known around the world (Rev 18:22)
28. Babylon has a huge aviation program (Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10).
29. Babylon's skies are filled with the whisper of aircraft wings (Isa 18:1; Jer 51:53).
30. Babylon has a huge space industry, has "mounted up to the heavens" (Jer 51:53).
31. Babylon fortifies her skies with a huge military aviation program (Jer 51:53).
32. Babylon is portrayed as a leading in high tech weapons and abilities (Jer 51:53; Hab 1:6-10; implied throughout).
33. Babylon is a nation filled with warm water seaports (Rev 18:17-19).
34. Babylon is a coastal nation and sits upon MANY WATERS (Jer 51:13).
35. Babylon trades with all who have ships in the sea year round (Rev 18:17-18).
36. Babylon is nation filled with a "mingled" people (Jer 50:37).
37. Babylon is a SINGULAR NATION founded upon OUT OF MANY, ONE (Isa 13, 47, Jer 50, 51, Hab 1).
38. Babylon is a REPUBLIC or a DEMOCRACY, it is ruled by many counsels (Isa 47:13).
39. Babylon's governmental system breaks down (Isa 47:13).
40. Babylon is bogged down with deliberations and cannot govern properly (Isa 47:13).
41. Babylon's leaders use astrology, seers and mystics for guidance (Isa 47:13; Rev 18:2).
42. Babylon labored in the occult from her very inception (Isa 47:12).
43. Babylon falls to the occult just before her end (Rev 18:2)
44. Babylon was born as a CHRISTIAN NATION (Jer 50:12).
45. Babylon turns upon its heritage and destroys it all in the end (Jer 50:11).
46. Babylon's Christian leaders lead their flock astray in prophecy and salvation (Jer 50:6; implied Rev 18:2).
47. Babylon's Christian leaders are "strangers" in the Lord Houses of Worship (Jer 51:51).
48. The people of Babylon are deep into astrology and spiritism (Isa 47:12; Rev 18:2).
49. Babylon becomes the home of all antichrist religions in the world (Rev 18:2).
50. Babylon is a nation of religious confusion (Isa 47:12-13).
53. Babylon has a mother nation that remains in existence from her birth to death (Jer 50: 12).
54. The mother of Babylon has the symbol of the LION (Dan7:4; Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38; Psalms 17:12).
55. The mother of Babylon will rule over her daughter her entire life (Dan 7:4; Jer 50:12).
56. The mother of Babylon will be a state of major decline as the end nears (Jer 50:12).
57. Babylon is considered to be a lion's whelp (Eze 38:13; Jer 51:38).
58. Babylon will have the symbol of the EAGLE and builds her nest in the stars (Dan 7:4 EAGLE WINGS; Isa 14:13-14; Jer 51:53).
61. The King of Babylon will rule from THE GREAT CITY BABYLON (Isa 14:4-6; Rev 17: 18).
62. A world government entity will rise up to rule the world from BABYLON THE CITY (Isa 14; Hab 2, Rev 13, 17, 18).
63. This world entity will be a diverse entity, different than all other ruling bodies of the world (Dan 7:7, 23).
64. This entity will be a TREATY POWER ENTITY (Dan 7:7, 23 DIVERSE).
65. This entity will rise up and use the military power of Babylon the nation to RULE THE WORLD (Isa 14:4-6; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13, 17).
66. Babylon is a huge producer and exporter of automobiles (Jer 50:37; Rev 18:13).
67. Babylon is a nation of CRAFTSMEN, experts in their trade (Jer 50, 51, Rev 18:22).
68. Babylon is noted for her jewelry of gold and silver (Rev 18:22).
69. Babylon is a huge importer and exporter of spices (Rev 18:13).
70. Babylon is a huge exporter of fine marble products (Rev 18:22).
71. Babylon is noted for her iron and steel production (Rev 18:12).
72. Babylon has huge corporations that have bases around the world (Rev 18:23, implied throughout)
73. Babylon is a nation of higher education and learning (Isa 47:10, implied throughout).
74. Babylon is a nation with a GREAT VOICE in world affairs (Jer 51:55)
75. Babylon is a VIRGIN NATION, untouched by major war (Isa 47:1).
76. Babylon has a vast military machine (Jer 50:36; 51:30; Hab 1 & 2, Rev 13:4).
77. Babylon will be instrumental in the setting up of Israel in the Middle East, and is the home of God's people (Jer 50:47; 51:45).
78. Babylon will have a major enemy to her north (Jer 50:3, 9, 41).
79. Babylon's enemy will lie on the opposite side of the world, over the poles (Isa 13:5)
80. The enemy of Babylon will be a FEDERAL OF NATIONS (Jer 50:9).
81. The enemy of Babylon will be largely Moslem in make-up (Jer 50:17; Rev 17:16; Psalms 83:5-12).
82. The enemy of Babylon will have nuclear missiles capable of reaching Babylon (Jer 50:9, 14,; Rev 18:8, 18).
83. The enemy of Babylon will be noted for her cruelty (Isa 13, 14, Jer 50, 51, Rev 17, 18).
84. The enemy of Babylon will also have a huge aviation military machine (Jer 50:9, 14, Rev 18:8, 18 implied throughout).
85. The enemy of Babylon will come into Babylon unnoticed (Isa 47:11, Jer 50:24; 51:2, 14).
86. Babylon will be filled with her enemies brought in under the guise of peace (Dan 11:21).
87. Babylon will have all of her borders cut off, and there will be no way of
escape (Jer 50:28; 51:32).
89. Babylon is land vast land with huge cities, towns and villages throughout (Implied throughout).
90. Babylon will have been a huge missionary nation for Jesus Christ (Jer 50:11; 51:7).
91. Babylon would be a home to multitudes of Jews who leave (Jer 50:4-6, 8; 51:6, 45)
92. The people of Babylon would not know their true identity (Jer 50:6, implied throughout).
93. The people of Babylon would think they are God's elect and eternal (Isa 47:7-8, Rev 18:7).
94. The people of Babylon would enjoy the highest standard of living in the world (Rev 18:7).
95. The people of Babylon would grow mad upon their idols (Jer 50:2, 38; Hab 2:18).
96. The people of Babylon would go into deep sins of all kinds (Rev 18:5).
97. The nation Babylon dwells carelessly before the Lord (Isa 47:8).
98. Babylon becomes proud, haughty, and does not consider her end (Isa 47:7-8).
99. Babylon deals in the occult, in sorceries and drugs (Isa 47:9, 12; Rev 18:23)
 
Okay I understand that Babylon was destroyed because Nebuchadnezzar disbelieved in the Hebrew creator .Because he took the Jews as slaves when he captured Jerusalem and deemed himself a god on earth.

So through Cyrus the great, a Persian, the creator decided to end the Babylonian empire once and for all.

*If only the babylonians were God fearing people,they wouod be here today*
 
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