Best Map for Venice?

[Sprenk]

Assuming that the leaked info about Venice is correct, which map do you think would be best for them? Obviously, water will be important, but there are so many choices! (Archipelago, Tiny Islands, Large Islands, Europe, etc.) Which map will maximize their advantages?

 

[Bakspatel]

Anything with lots of water. And Europe TSL, since there's always a bunch of CS in central Europe.

 

[Talcove]

I'd think that Venice would do good on Fractal maps.

 

[IkM]

Small continents, Archipelago, Tiny Islands etc.

 

[werothegreat]

I think Venice will do fine as long as they're on the coast and city-states have been enabled. I think the civ to worry about mapwise is going to be Indonesia. So far from screenshots, it seems the AI doesn't get the whole "found cities on other landmasses" concept. Indonesia is definitely going to need lots of islands.

 

[Navelgazer]

Small Continents for sure, I'd say. You need water to dominate in the medieval era (particularly because nobody other than maybe Askia or Harald can do anything special with the water in that era) and you want quick routes to get to CSes without having to deal with your neighbors' borders. But you also want enough room for your capital to properly expand - don't forget that all of your wonder-production has to come from there.

 

[SnowKomodo]

With the addition of Venice and Indonesia and with the tweaking of Polynesia, and then the overhaul of Social Policies to bring in the water friendly Exploration tree, archipelago and island maps just got a whole lot more appealing for me

Now about that AI...

 

[GeoModder]

Polynesia is tweaked? In what way?

 

[SnowKomodo]

Nothing major. Moai gains tourism. (But makes them more appealing to play)

EDIT: Now that I think about it, does it really make it more appealing for them? It's actually probably the same since they had to boost the moai since culture is changed. Sort of like how they had to change France. Lateral tweaks

 

[HeraldtheGreat]

I think Venice will do fine as long as they're on the coast and city-states have been enabled. I think the civ to worry about mapwise is going to be Indonesia. So far from screenshots, it seems the AI doesn't get the whole "found cities on other landmasses" concept. Indonesia is definitely going to need lots of islands.

We have seen quite a few decent-sized islands for cities off the coasts of continents, though. Not for Indonesia, though.

 

[Hans Castorp]

It will be interesting to see if Venice has a guaranteed coastal start bias. Almost certainly the start bias will give you a water start most of the time, but I would actually quite enjoy the odd occasion of getting a landlocked Venice. Would make you think very carefully about the early acquisition of CS or puppets if you are going to make sufficient use of the UU.

 

[otaman1]

Credits to JFD

 

[Teodosio]

What if you are Venice and get spawned far from the coast?

 

[Talcove]

What if you are Venice and get spawned far from the coast?

You restart the game.

 

[God of Kings]

What if you are Venice and get spawned far from the coast?

...or there is no coast (for example, playing a skirmish map) and you are randomly selected as Venice in a multiplayer duel without city-states?

 

[Teodosio]

You restart the game.

Ihihih, I suppose a ragequit would be in order

 

[TheMarshmallowBear]

With the exception of Great Galleas, there's no other thing that makes Venice mandatory to start next to a coast, seriously.

Merchants are not Ship units, they are normal Great Merchants.

Where did this necessity for Coast came from?

If Venice can buy from Puppets, then that does also mean they can buy units, so if there is a Coastal city then you can buy your stuff from there.

 

[Arachnofiend]

With the exception of Great Galleas, there's no other thing that makes Venice mandatory to start next to a coast, seriously.

Merchants are not Ship units, they are normal Great Merchants.

Where did this necessity for Coast came from?

If Venice can buy from Puppets, then that does also mean they can buy units, so if there is a Coastal city then you can buy your stuff from there.

The main benefit of Venice is having twice as many trade routes. If your capital isn't on the coast you are locked out of naval trade routes (unless you can set up a trade route from a puppet, can anyone confirm if this is the case?).

 

[ggmoyang]

With the exception of Great Galleas, there's no other thing that makes Venice mandatory to start next to a coast, seriously.

Merchants are not Ship units, they are normal Great Merchants.

Where did this necessity for Coast came from?

If Venice can buy from Puppets, then that does also mean they can buy units, so if there is a Coastal city then you can buy your stuff from there.

It is not mandatory, but you lose huge benefits of naval trade routes from Venice. Although you can make it from puppets, 1. You can't have naval trade route from start 2. There will be various buildings that benefit trade routes, so trade routes originating from Venice will be more desirable.

It is like being landlocked with England. You still have Longbows and an extra spy, but loses many benefits of civ.

 

[Talcove]

The main benefit of Venice is having twice as many trade routes. If your capital isn't on the coast you are locked out of naval trade routes (unless you can set up a trade route from a puppet, can anyone confirm if this is the case?).

And considering how land trade routes cannot travel as far, and produce less gold, that's a serious setback, especially when packed with it's City-State-esque status.