Boycott Civ 4

[Snerk]

dimaliok, do you really hate pizza and starwars!? I mean thats like the two best things in life! Djeeeeezz...

 

[naterator]

dimaliok, do you really hate pizza and starwars!? I mean thats like the two best things in life! Djeeeeezz...

hahaha! that's all i could think after reading his post! he's from chicago, too; and chicago is home of some of the world's finest pizza!

 

[King Flevance]

hahaha! that's all i could think after reading his post! he's from chicago, too; and chicago is home of some of the world's finest pizza!

Considering the spelling, its either not "the windy city" or not the home of a good education system. But I am not a star wars fan myself. I don' hate it but when someone says "Let watch Star Wars!" My face tends to go or while I think "Not again". I also may add, that as realistic as some people think the movie is - it does not apply to real life. Eric from that 70's show cracks me up because I have known a few people that act like the "Jedi" has some underlying message to the special people that can figure it out. IMO Lucas is sort of like a cult leader.

I personally don't understand the Sims crave. Gee, when I am not working/dealing with daily life stress - I like to play games. Preferably ones about... working/dealing with daily life stress? WTH? Get that crap outta my face.

 

[oneeye]

do these idiots thing evolution is a myth too? They should have atheism as a religious option in civ!

 

[Sohan]

Macro vs micro evolution. Although I'm a Christian, I'm fully aware of the evidence supporting evolution. But there's a big step from the micro view and the macro view. Hate to say it, but there isn't enough proof for the macro evolution (basically the creation of Earth, etc) to disprove most other possibilities. Don't lump together disblievers in macro evolution as "idiots."

And atheism isn't really a religion. Besides, the only true atheists who hate religion and want to get rid of it are communists.

 

[gunkulator]

Hate to say it, but there isn't enough proof for the macro evolution (basically the creation of Earth, etc) to disprove most other possibilities.

The Theory of Evolution makes no claims about the creation of the Earth or even the origin of life on Earth. All it says is that species evolve over time due to natural selection.

There's no such thing as "macro evolution." If you can believe that a Chihuahua and a Great Dane have a common ancestor, it really isn't much of a stretch to believe that a horse and a donkey do too, but just farther back in time.

 

[gunkulator]

I personally don't understand the Sims crave. Gee, when I am not working/dealing with daily life stress - I like to play games. Preferably ones about... working/dealing with daily life stress? WTH? Get that crap outta my face.

The Sims = A big interactive dollhouse. That's why it's more popular with girls than with boys.

Besides Civ is full of unpleasant things like war and starvation and pillaging and we love it!

 

[QuoVadisNation]

I'm sure the civilization video game will feel the hurt of losing their ultra-conserative market. (90% of whom, probably don't even have computers)

 

[naterator]

i definitly share your opinion on the sims, flevance. it reminds me of the simpsons where, after failing to get the kids to do yardwork, marge sees bart playing a "yardwork simulator" (or something like that... it's alot funnier when you see it). i play video games that simulate anything but what i do in my daily life! if i'm simming anything, it'd be simcity, but my simcity 4 is collecting dust thanks to civ (well OK, maybe grand theft auto too). and i didn't notice that he's from "chicOgo, IL", a city that rand mcnally doesn't know of. i've got lots of friends from chicago, and they seem smart enough to me, but they live in california, so "smart", by comparison, is easy.

 

[General Civ]

Here's an "interesting" read.

It might have been posted here before, as it's dated november 11 2005. It basically claims Civ4 is anti-christian and evil.

From the site:



Well, needless to say I won't dignify this senseless rant with a serious comment, but I just thought you might like to read for a quick laugh .

you are so stupid how is it anti-any religion?

 

[General Civ]

i didn't know such morons still existed on the forums.

Moderator Action: Well, we can easily remove your posting privileges, and will do so without hesitation if you insult anyone like this again.


Warned.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

 

[Dionysius]

in an earlier post someone suggested sending in Baba yetu [the lords prayer in swahili]
to berlin and ask if its anti-christian.
Heres the Baba Yetu Lyrics . give that fundamentalist hell!

CHORUS
Baba yetu, yetu yesu uliye
Mbinguni yetu, yetu yesu, amina!
Baba yetu, yetu yesu, uliye
Jina lako litukuzwe.
(x2)

Utupe leo chakula chetu
Tunachohitaji utusamehe
Makosa yetu, hey!
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe
Waliotukosea usitutie
Katika majaribu, lakini
Utuokoe, na yule, milelea milele!

CHORUS

Ufalme wako ufike utakalo
Lifanyike duniani kama mbinguni. (Amina)

CHORUS

Utupe leo chakula chetu
Tunachohitaji utusamehe
Makosa yetu, hey!
Kama nasi tunavyowasamehe
Waliotukosea usitutie
Katika majaribu, lakini
Utuokoe, na yule, simama mwehu

Baba yetu, yetu yesu, uliye
Jina lako litukuzwe.
(x2)

 

[Zombie69]

Macro vs micro evolution. Although I'm a Christian, I'm fully aware of the evidence supporting evolution. But there's a big step from the micro view and the macro view. Hate to say it, but there isn't enough proof for the macro evolution (basically the creation of Earth, etc) to disprove most other possibilities. Don't lump together disblievers in macro evolution as "idiots."

Macroevolution is a fact, and has been proven many different ways using many different fields of research, and they all came to the same conclusion.

And atheism isn't really a religion. Besides, the only true atheists who hate religion and want to get rid of it are communists.

I'm a true atheist who hates religion and wants to get rid of it, and i'm nowhere near to being a communist. In fact, most people where i live are atheists (though usually baptized catholics), and the communist party here gets about 0.01% of votes in elections (most people don't even know it exists).

 

[naterator]

I'm a true atheist who hates religion and wants to get rid of it, and i'm nowhere near to being a communist.

ditto here. "just think and believe what i tell you, and give me a little cash now and then, and once you die, we'll take care of the rest"...

 

[King Flevance]

I gotta pop in and give Jesus his props. I am Christian although very unothodox. I believe in God, Jesus, and the bible will lead me to both of them and am of no denomination as of yet. I believe I have been influenced to see this for myself in my own life. I agree that many people use the faith to suit themselves alot, even the bible talks of this. But I hardly see the point behind the arguement in question in the OP.

I will add that while scrolling through an XML file I noticed that Christianity is the religion with the smallest spread rate. Correct me if I am wrong. I am not trying to heighten the arguement or anything but figured this would be the spot to post it and say "Hey check this out". Now someone is going to want me to post the code and I don't remember what file it was in but I will see if I can find it again. If I do I will post it. If not, oh well.

i definitly share your opinion on the sims, flevance. it reminds me of the simpsons where, after failing to get the kids to do yardwork, marge sees bart playing a "yardwork simulator"

lol thats what it is like though. The bad thing about sims is my opinion is you have to do the yardwork 2 times. at least bart still only did it once, even if it was the wrong one.

The Sims = A big interactive dollhouse. That's why it's more popular with girls than with boys.

Besides Civ is full of unpleasant things like war and starvation and pillaging and we love it!

That makes alot of sense. It always seems it is women/girls playing sims than guys. DOn't you hate it when your girlfriend of a month has you made up as her husband in some weird alternate universe she emerses herself in. I don't even have a queen in civ. Maybe some slave girls and Isabella if she is compliant enough to become an ally.

 

[Baloo]

I will add that while scrolling through an XML file I noticed that Christianity is the religion with the smallest spread rate.

In the original XML file (unmodded) they all have 100 as their spread rate.

 

[King Flevance]

Cool, I will dig in my files and see if I can find what it was I saw. I think it was at like 70 or something while the others were at 80 or 90. Not sure. I havent got any mods that touch this file though. I may not even have been looking at the spread rate file. I was skimming a file for unit info and saw something on it in passing and thought, "hmmm... I wonder if I should post this in that religious civ bashing thread?" then "Nah, dont want to seem like I support it." then I figured what the heck.

 

[Ranos]

That is what I am wondering. Plus that site is clearly innacurate and from a conservative (and possibly Protestant/Evangical Christian influence) nutjobish site.

I can already refute it's clame on this quote:

"When the Roman Empire fell, Christianity broke into two branches. Since then it has continued to fragment, with a number of branches quite hostile to others."
Clearly that is innacurate since the Great Schism (That separated the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Roman Catholic Church) happened in 1054, about a thousand years after the Roman Empire fell.

Just read this topic for the first time and only read through the first page so maybe this was touched on later but...

From a historians point of view, or so I've read, the Christian church was split in 3rd or 4th century AD, don't remember and don't care to look up, when Constantine held his little gathering to establish the Catholic Church and ban some of the writtings orignally written by other apostles and othe early Christians because they conflicted with Constantine's beliefs.

Constantine's gathering, again can't recall the exact name, established, Christmas and Easter and many of the other rituals that the Catholic Church practices contrary to history and the writings of the bible. ThHis is why it split during the rule of the Roman Empire and not 700 years later when you claim it.

 

[Sohan]

Has anything proved that it is impossible for God to have created the Earth? Not as far as I've seen. Anywho... I have nothing against atheism, and I do believe in the basic theory of evolution. Let's just leave it at that. I don't want any hurt feelings here. Sorry if I caused problems.

 

[gunkulator]

From a historians point of view, or so I've read, the Christian church was split in 3rd or 4th century AD, don't remember and don't care to look up, when Constantine held his little gathering to establish the Catholic Church and ban some of the writtings orignally written by other apostles and othe early Christians because they conflicted with Constantine's beliefs.

Constantine called the Council of Nicea but had no vote at it. It was no "little gathering". Hundreds of bishops from all over the world attended. In his own writings, Constantine says that he called the council so that the church could act as a unifying force for the Roman Empire. The bickering amongst the bishops was getting out of hand and causing strife throughout the empire. Constantine was no theologian himself and was only ever lukewarm towards Christianity. At various times he would support one faction or another, depending on how the political winds were blowing. He wasn't even baptized until he was on his death bed.

Constantine's gathering, again can't recall the exact name, established, Christmas and Easter and many of the other rituals that the Catholic Church practices contrary to history and the writings of the bible.

This of course is a matter of debate however it should be noted that the council was democratic in nature. Early Christianity, like Judaism, had both a written and oral tradition. Indeed, most of the 12 apostles and many later followers and even church leaders were illiterate. Nicea helped to codify some of the oral tradation. The largest point of contention at Nicea was the nature of Jesus: Was he part of God or was he made by God?

ThHis is why it split during the rule of the Roman Empire and not 700 years later when you claim it.

After all the arguments were said and done, there were only 2 votes against the council's precedings. Calling this a "split" is a somewhat misleading. The first big split in the church was the great orthodox schism which didn't occur until 1054.