Can a vassal win the space race?

[1889]

I'm just trying to anticipate a potential problem. Another civ has a slight lead in the space race, but is really weak and if attacked may ask to become my vassal. If so should I accept?

 

[Genv [FP]]

Yes, it can win a space race, I think.

 

[Quotey]

Vassals can win Diplo, Space, Time and Cultural. The other conditions are out for obvious reasons.

 

[Joshua368]

Yes, but if it's yours you can direct his research away from space age techs, having him research future tech into infinity and keeping him away from stuff like Fusion or Ecology.

 

[1889]

That is very helpful advice Joshua. Could you tell me how to control vassel research? Is it done on the diplo screen?

 

[Joshua368]

That is very helpful advice Joshua. Could you tell me how to control vassel research? Is it done on the diplo screen?

Yeah, go into "We would like to discuss something else" and direct research there. If you're in a war, you can also go there to order where you want him to attack, though with sometimes questionable results.

 

[Fezfez]

Yep, had a vassal win by space race once and another one with cultural. You can imagine the annoyance when this happens

 

[1889]

Excellent, thanks for the answers everyone.

 

[Mercenary82]

If he already has the techs, you can stop him by using espionage. You can also stop him by declaring war on a civ near your vassal. Gift some units to this civ before you declare if you have to.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Vassals can win Diplo, Space, Time and Cultural. The other conditions are out for obvious reasons.

Time, eh? It'd be VERY hard to give 1/2 your score to a master and still be higher while retaining vassal status. Actually if you want to include time then domination is technically possible too. You could have a "voluntary vassal" capture 70% of the world's land or something with a master having 6 cities, and the vassal would win domination (master would only have in the 40-50% land range).

So if you want to be ultra-technical only conquest is impossible, but none but space or culture are likely (vassals aren't usually big enough to be eligible for diplo wins via UN, and if they're AP you can kick them out of their religion).

 

[Joshua368]

So if you want to be ultra-technical only conquest is impossible, but none but space or culture are likely (vassals aren't usually big enough to be eligible for diplo wins via UN, and if they're AP you can kick them out of their religion).

And since Space is completely avoidable if you know what you're doing and don't take way too long to vassalize the sucker, Culture is pretty much the only thing you have to look out for. And it could be a seriously hard situation to deal with... you're best bet would probably be to declare on someone on the vassal's end and hope they take a culture city, and that's a pretty sketchy strategy.

 

[Quotey]

score/domination

Vassals give half their score to the master? Do they keep their full score and it gets added or what?

So... now we need to play a game with your fancy AI and make him get a domination victory. Capture cities, liberate back and hope he stays with you.

Then we need to do it with only liberating some cities, and it would have to be a voluntary vassal.

 

[TheMeInTeam]

Vassals give half their score to the master? Do they keep their full score and it gets added or what?

So... now we need to play a game with your fancy AI and make him get a domination victory. Capture cities, liberate back and hope he stays with you.

Then we need to do it with only liberating some cities, and it would have to be a voluntary vassal.

He won't stay with me because his ibuildunitprob is 80 (in test games he tends to smoke other AIs and fall minorly behind in tech due to cottage whoring, in the most recent test won UN). That kind of spam and enough land/pop would make it very difficult to keep a larger empire in. Maybe if I made him a colony by luck and liberated like 10 cities to him to get him over +20?