Citizen Discussion - Interim Rules

[Shaitan]

What rules are in effect between the games? Will we still be working within the confines of the existing rules while we gear up for the next game? Will officials remain in their effective positions until the new game elections? My thoughts:

Our current quorum will make things very difficult to change for the new game. Going to a straight majority approval once we have our victory will allow us to make whatever corrections are necessary. On the other hand, I think we should run the T1 elections according to our established rules, including the restriction on incumbents running for only one position.

Thoughts?

 

[Eklektikos]

I'd be in favour of dispensing with official positions and most of the rules for the interim period. Perhaps just keeping things like the 2/3 majority requirement for full blown Constitutional amendments.

 

[Octavian X]

I think that all the current rules should continue to apply, minus the current quroum. Without a game going on, some people may leave, making it harder to reach an already difficult 26 votes. Either a new method of determining the quroum, or a new method of accepting changes. We do need to re-elect officials for the new game soon.

Perhaps we could start a new election soon, thus getting a new quroum.

 

[Shaitan]

If we disregard the date requirements, we can begin the election process immediately after this game ends.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

I think the current government should stay in place until all the parameters of the next game are settled (map, civ, # of civs, yadda, yadda, yadda)

The general elections should be held.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

ADJUST THE QUORM LEVEL
that needs a new census

 

[donsig]

New game, new name, why not new rules?

Why not start with a clean slate? Let's get a constitution approved first then go from there. I see no point in holding over the government. What would they do?

I suggest as a first step we run a poll asking whether we should use Phoenatica's constitution as is, use a modified version of it or write one from scratch.

Before we can have general elections we might want to hash out the governor issue.

We should also set a timetable or schedule so we can hit our Sept. 1 target.

 

[Octavian X]

The current Constituion, and Codes of Laws and Standards had a lot of work put into them, and as such should not be scrapped. All that's going to happen is we'll reapprove similar measures later on in the new game. Changes are warrented, I agree, but we should by no means delete them entirely.

 

[donsig]

Starting from scratch does not necessarily mean scrapping everything. I know alot of work went into our rules. However, we're talking about a new game so let's discuss somethings we'd like to do differently before we start rather than play Phoenatica over again.

I've suggested that we make the turn chats optional. To do so we'd need to modify the constitution we have, as well as the CoL and CoS. If we carry over the constitution then we're bound to follow it's rules, including those for changing the rules. By starting with a clean slate we can ratify a constitution via poll and then go from there. Even if we did decide not to import the CoL and CoS en masse we would still have them as a basis from which to construct the new nation's laws.

What I'm suggesting is that there are no rules between the games until we start making rules for the next game. And the proper starting point would be ratifying a constitution.

 

[Bill_in_PDX]

How about this approach then:

1) Post the poll on scrapping or modifying or keeping the existing constitution.

2) Post a discussion / poll for each of the COL and COS sections individually. Further, open the discussions to new ideas submitted, such as Mayor responsibilities, etc...)

3) Determine, what, need modification, clarification, reconciliation, italization (for you donsig), etc...

4) Hold elections on the normal cycle for effect on Sept 1 (unless of course the laws on elections are changed)

The advantages are that first start with a fundamental constitution, which I think will most likely breeze through unscathed. Then we can deal with the individual areas of law with focus on the ones everyone wants to touch.

The disadvantages are that there will be a lot of discussions and polls running around....one could say we would be disorganized(r) ;-)

But I think this type of process is necessary to get full public support behind the laws we will live with (or not live with, as the case may be).

 

[Shaitan]

Originally posted by donsig
I suggest as a first step we run a poll asking whether we should use Phoenatica's constitution as is, use a modified version of it or write one from scratch.

Great minds think alike. And so do ours!

LINK

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

we need a governor chat rep. someone to be there when all governors cant make it.

you guys all have chat reps. why cant we?

 

[chiefpaco]

I agree with Donsig that the new game should be played how the new game's players wish it to be played. I don't think the players of this game should dictate how the next game is to be played. Nor do I think anything from this game should carry on.

If the citizens of the next game (should they wish to be called so) want to use this constitution then I think it should be up to them. I wouldn't assume (even if it is likely) that the players will be the same.

I would suggest ending this game first and starting again fresh. Let Thunderfall announce the formation of a new game and let the new people shape it. I support Bill_in_PDX's proposal, but I would like to expose it to all possible new players, if possible, and make it as visible as possible to the CFC community.

 

[Stuck_as_a_Mac]

new games players?
we ARE the players. you ever notice we are the only ones that do anything?
you guys WAY more then me, of course.
(duh)

 

[Chieftess]

The older players could help (not take over ) the newer players in designing the game. That is, say which problems they've had with a certain descision.

I'd like to see the current constitution used (or most of it), but it's also a new game, and part of the fun.

 

[Octavian X]

Not take over! We will rule the world!
ahem... sorry...

 

[Shaitan]

We've somewhat left the thread topic but from the on-topic responses there is a general support for keeping the rules going during our interim period.

 

[Cyc]

Originally posted by Bill_in_PDX
I think the current government should stay in place until all the parameters of the next game are settled (map, civ, # of civs, yadda, yadda, yadda)

The general elections should be held.

I agree with Bill totally here. We need to have our current Leaders available to post binding polls and move us officially through this transition period to the start of the next game. It would also be nice to have Leaders that were accountable for the actions and processes that take place during this period.

If the New Leaders of the next game want to abandon the Constitution of this game, it will only take a poll the first week. But the citizens should have the stability in their new environment that everyone had at the begining of this game. The Constitution for this game was basically drawn up by Duck before the game started. It enabled us to follow some kind of strucutre.

 

[chiefpaco]

Originally posted by Shaitan
We've somewhat left the thread topic but from the on-topic responses there is a general support for keeping the rules going during our interim period.

I like Bill's second proposal better than the 1st. I'd prefer to scrap the positions and let everyone have an equal say on how to make the next game and let the majority rule. I guess I view them as separate entities.

 

[Cyc]

Fine with me, chiefpaco. I think the Game of Anarchy would be kinda fun to watch.