Ashburnham
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Thank you, Donovan. Beat me to it.
Citizen Honors?
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Black_Hole
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i think i also said this earlier, abstain votes arent meant to be part of the no vote,
irc that is why we edited article I, because stuff couldnt pass because of unsure voters who voted abstain, but were really voting no
irc that is why we edited article I, because stuff couldnt pass because of unsure voters who voted abstain, but were really voting no
classical_hero
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I will keep up this drum beat. I will be voting Abstain on all honours because we should be waiting until after the game has finished. Is anyone else with me on this?
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im not voting abstain as abstain is a no vote, and if i really dont want someone to have and honor i will vote noclassical_hero said:
blackheart
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Abstain is more or less I don't care/I don't know but I would still like to exercise my right to vote.
Provolution
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We should avoid giving criminals an honor, but that is my opinion.
When did we give a criminal an honor??
mhcarver
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I believe he is making a reference to President Chietess's( who received an honor earliet this tern) conviction and subsequent(sP?) judicial warning in DG5CC1Ginger_Ale said:
Donovan Zoi
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mhcarver said:
I believe that the Honors Guild has the right to review such dilemmas, but would probably choose not to do so in this instance due to its proximity to the honoree in question. And unfortunately, the founder of the Honors Guild has been noticably incommunicado since his partisan tactics have come under fire. Therefore, we may not get a real answer on this any time soon.
RegentMan
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He will be gone until tonight. Related post.Donovan Zoi said:
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blackheart it should be like that, but in the way the votes are counted for honors abstain votes are counted as no votes, because u need 51% of the vote for an honor to pass, not 51% of no and yes votesblackheart said:
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So, your saying, I shouldn't consider 50% of the house's vote, because they voted abstain? Unless a large majority of people want to have there vote thrown away, it's not changing. Cyc deserves it? Sure, he's spent an extremely long time working with our constitution, even though I do no agree with the ideas he forced down our throats, but he still deserves the honor. Even though I have no problem with breaking the rules, it would not be good to make the Citizen Honors system look like something that can be changed on whim. Tough luck, I give you the option to try to honor him as many time as you wish, yet DZ, you don't really care about the honor do you? All you care about, is once again, to make your opponent look bad. I considered this beforehand, which is why you are aloud to nominate someone for an honor as many times are you want (well, within reason anyway), and I'm pretty sure your smart enough to know that. You just wanted a reason to complain and make me look bad.
If you really want it changed, I suggest you don't use Donovan_Zoi as a front-liner in your campaign, more so when dealing with me.
If you really want it changed, I suggest you don't use Donovan_Zoi as a front-liner in your campaign, more so when dealing with me.
Donovan Zoi
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Actually, I do care about the honor, Strider. Cyc won 10-4, based on votes for people that cared about the issue. Most of the abstains came from those who thought that Honors shouldn't be given out at this time. Why should an honoree be penalized for that?
A reasonable curator of a citizen group would realize this folly, and make the appropriate correction. But since my name is attached to those who want a solution, you stand rigid. And your rhetoric about a nominee "forcing" things "down our throats" does not embody the neutrality that should come with the objective duty of presenting honors.
10 voted Yes. 4 voted No. 7 didn't agree with the process in the first place. It's the numbers making you look bad this time, Strider. Not me.
A reasonable curator of a citizen group would realize this folly, and make the appropriate correction. But since my name is attached to those who want a solution, you stand rigid. And your rhetoric about a nominee "forcing" things "down our throats" does not embody the neutrality that should come with the objective duty of presenting honors.
10 voted Yes. 4 voted No. 7 didn't agree with the process in the first place. It's the numbers making you look bad this time, Strider. Not me.
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Donovan Zoi said:
Donovan, only about 3 of the abstains were against the process. I voted abstain, as did Chieftess, and several others who I know did not disagree with the process. Some people may believe your lies, unluckily for you, I'm not a 14-year old idoit I use to be, even though that 14-year old idoit somehow managed to win the struggle against you.
Unless you can come up with a reason as to why I should throw-away 50% of the house's votes, it will continue to be this way. Stop complaining, and give me a reason why I should do what your saying. Untill you do so, I will continue to take everything you say as abunch of bull****.
MOTH
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I think that an abstain vote should not be counted as a No. What I would like to see in place instead is the same criteria that is used for ratifying a constitutional article. IE: a quorum needs to have been established and 55% of the non-abstain voters need to vote yes.
Donovan Zoi
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Strider said:
What exactly are you talking about? What struggle with a 14 year old? And what did you win? Is there some past animosity you are holding onto that I am unaware of, or are you only claiming victory here?
If you are claiming victory here, it is because you are playing by your own rules. In that case, I stand humbled and offer my heartfelt congratulations. I cannot compete with that.
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ab·stain
intr.v. ab·stained, ab·stain·ing, ab·stains
1. To refrain from something by one's own choice: abstain from traditional
political rhetoric. See Synonyms at "refrain1".
2. To refrain from voting: Forty senators voted in favor of the bill, 45 voted against it, and 15 abstained.
Source: The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition
(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=abstain)
I'll say it again: Abstain is not a No vote. Unless you plan on taking on the English language, Strider, you're eventually going to have to accept this fact. The practice of counting Abstain votes in the voting is inherently wrong.
intr.v. ab·stained, ab·stain·ing, ab·stains
1. To refrain from something by one's own choice: abstain from traditional
political rhetoric. See Synonyms at "refrain1".
2. To refrain from voting: Forty senators voted in favor of the bill, 45 voted against it, and 15 abstained.
Source: The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, 4th Edition
(http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=abstain)
I'll say it again: Abstain is not a No vote. Unless you plan on taking on the English language, Strider, you're eventually going to have to accept this fact. The practice of counting Abstain votes in the voting is inherently wrong.
Provolution
Sage of Quatronia
Well, maybe a more democratic process in setting up the Honors system should be in place, and voted on after a full Judicial Review. I see a case resembling the City Naming Office here. But Strider got a point, the Honors system is a good thought, but should be implemented by the end of the game.
