Civ announces that I've declared war on another CIV.

[Barnes]

There are no specific steps for reproducing bug, but the situation was as follows:

The Romans (me) have the Koreans as vassals.
Montasuma have the Vikings as vassals.

What happens:
1. I click enter to end my turn.
2. The commentary tells me that I've declared war on Montasuma.
3. Monty and the Vikings declare war on me.
4. My vassal, the Koreans, declare war on Monty and the Vikings.

Note:
None of my units or the Koreans are out of their borders. Neither Monty or the Vikings are near my territory or my vassals.
This has happened several times. I suspected my the other civs were attacking my CIV, but the order in which it happens is always me declaring war first then my vassal.

What I think should happen:
I don't think I should be declaring war automatically unless I have defence pact or equivalent agreement.

Thanks for you help!

 

[Norseman2]

The vassal arrangement is basically like a defensive pact. If Monty declares war on your vassal, you declare war on Monty. Is that what happened to you?

 

[angeleyes]

It happened to me that the game did announce that i had made peace (with Saladin)........Then it became clear Saladin had become a vassal of Montezuma....That's a real change in version 2.08!

 

[Aeon221]

Any submarines they could have run into?

 

[SewerStarFish]

It also happens when a Defensive Pact Ally is attacked. I guess an announcement about the attack would be nice.

 

[hordehead]

A similar problem has happened to me twice now, a few weeks ago, and now again tonight. When it happened a few weeks ago, I found this thread and read it, but it didn't seem to explain what might have happened in my game. I didn't care a lot about that particular game, so I just let it go. I've played a few more different games since then, with no recurrence.

As mentioned above, it then happened again tonight, and in a game that I would like to be able to continue. In this game, it happened much earlier, about 1150 AD. Playing as the French, I was moving through Julius Caesar's territory toward one of my cities on the other side of his empire. At the end of the turn, the game message appeared that I had declared war on Caesar. I most certainly did not--and would not--he's far superior militarily.

I reloaded a save and played again and the same thing happened. I double-checked and made sure that we had Open Borders. (Since it's 1150AD, it's too early for Defensive Pacts to be a consideration, and I wasn't attacking anyone anyway.)

I do have a vassal, Alexander. But he is incredibly weak, and there's no way that he's going to attack the mighty Roman Empire. And even if he did...the first message that I get after I end my turn should not have been that I declared war on Caesar.

Obviously, this is frustrating as heck. Playing Warlords 2.08.

 

[ori]

could you post a save? Or click Alt-Tab and look at the complete log - there might be some other war declarations including vassals?

 

[SewerStarFish]

I think this isn't a bug but a poor syntax problem. I believe that Caesar wanting to declare war on the weak Alexander declared war on you (as their master) and that the message should be reworded.

I couldn't find the thread but this has been an issue from the start and basically whenever you have a vassal and the AI wants to attack the vassal you get the wrong message. You should have gotten "Caesar declares war on you" message.

I might be wrong since i couldn't find the thread

 

[hordehead]

OK, I found out what happened. Technically what happened wasn't a "bug" but the message system was "buggy." Although I have a fair amount of experience playing, I had forgotten about the shortcut to look at the log (ctl-tab). That provided the answer. In the log, there IS a message that "Caesar declared war on Alexander." I swear this message did not show up on screen as the turn was being made. As previously noted, the first message that I saw on screen was that I had declared war on Caesar. So anyway, since Caesar declared war on my weak vassal, well yeah, I'm obligated to turn around and fight Caesar--much as I don't want to. Lesson learned--vassals can be more trouble than they're worth.

 

[SewerStarFish]

While we're on the subject the messages in leave alot to be desired. The lagging ones, the massive group -- a real fixer for next weeks release of Civ V