Civ4 shows liberal bias?

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(Note to moderators - I debated posting this in Off-Topic, but it specifically discusses Civ4 and is meant to inspire intelligent discussion. Nevertheless I won't object if you find it too inflammatory and thus want to move the thread to Off-Topic. I would only object if the thread was closed/deleted instead - it's not a troll.)

The recent thread on Dan Quayle inspired me to list the ways in which Civ4 reflects a liberal bias. To wit:

1. Umm, Dan Quayle, of course. Yeah we all can laugh at him for his obvious Yogi Berrisms, but a far better choice would have been Jimmy Carter (who considered 'killer rabbits' more of a threat than the Soviet Union).

2. The all-powerful Civ4 UN. An obvious example of where the authors' biases led them to make decisions that have a severely negative impact on gameplay. In almost all other aspects Civ4 provides multiple paths to get where you want, with differing trade-offs. But if I'm playing an OCC game, say, and I'm voted out of Bureaucracy, I may as well quit. It certainly should be possible to violate UN resolutions, but with a cost, as there is in the real world. (To make it even more accurate they should put in votes for rotating leader of the UN Human Rights Commission, with the only two allowed candidates being Motezuma and Isabella. :crazyeye:)

3. Let's make nuclear power plants useless by having them melt down every few turns. Anyone ever played a game with 10 or so cities, every one of which had a nuclear plant? Enough said. It's simple fact that modern nuclear plants are the safest and most reliable source of energy there is.

4. For even more laughs let's make the nuclear plant meltdowns cause global warming. There is no evidence that global warming is caused by any human activities at all. Whatever climate variations we see are explained far more robustly as just being part of the natural cycle. The false spectre of human-caused global warming is nothing more than an anti-capitalist political ploy. :lol:

5. Why FDR and no Ronald Reagan? They both defeated horrible enemies, and are both dead, but FDR gave us the legacy of New-Deal socialism while Reagan tried to reverse that trend.

6. Political correctness taken to the point of ridiculousness with the presence of Jewish missionaries and other religious incongruities. Either go all the way or don't. If you want to give us equal religions, then don't call them by their real-world names.

7. Fascism enabling the building of Mt. Rushmore. Moral relativism at its most disgusting - i.e. equating American patriotism with Fascism.
 
Merzbow said:
4. For even more laughs let's make the nuclear plant meltdowns cause global warming. There is no evidence that global warming is caused by any human activities at all. Whatever climate variations we see are explained far more robustly as just being part of the natural cycle. The false spectre of human-caused global warming is nothing more than an anti-capitalist political ploy. :lol:

:rolleyes:
 
Anything designed by or for smart people is going to have a liberal bias, Merzbow. Take, for example, any college or university, or any gathering of smart people anywhere.

You forgot to mention evolution, btw.
 
Too shallow overview of situation. In fact Firaxis is conservative biased. Doesn't possibility of throwing UN into neverexistance by clicking a single checkbox warm your conservative heart?
 
I don't necessarily dissagree with your primary thesis, but I will say that I'm tired of conservatives victimizing themselves, as if everyone is out to get them. The media is liberal,the universities are liberal, the intellectuals want to destroy capitilism, the secularists want to destroy morality...blah blah blah. Get over it.

Two points I will refute
Global warming due to humanity is real. Basic chemistry can prove it.
FDR is a better representative of America than is Ronald Reagon, and is not controversial like JFK or Reagan. His policies were not socialist, just liberal. And the accomplishments of Roosevelt far outweigh Reagan. Not only did he succede in WWII, but he took a deppression ridden nation and turned it into the most powerful country in the history of the world.
 
Ok, I apologize for sarcasm. Id like to agree on general with The Psychist, dude seriously, Reagan was a failed actor - one of them most stupid puppets you ever had for president over there. I think FDR represent alot more than most of your presisdents, that chap actually had ideals - that meaning he's not just a face representing different capitalist lobbyists, he had a brain.

And about Mt Rushmore, go figure - in europe the people dont worship their presidents. I think it would rather equate the nationalistic propaganda in US to that in fascist states - Its a known fact the vast majority of us medias are controlled by republican interests.
 
Anything designed by or for smart people is going to have a liberal bias, Merzbow. Take, for example, any college or university, or any gathering of smart people anywhere.



Hits the nail on the head. I myself live in texas, unfortunately. If I take a random selection of people off the street here and ask them what they do for fun? Playing turn-based civilization games will not be high on the list. So making the game geared for the gun-totin' game-huntin' commie-hatin' type people that are the great majority of conservatives just would not be a very successful idea.

There is no evidence that global warming is caused by any human activities at all. Whatever climate variations we see are explained far more robustly as just being part of the natural cycle. The false spectre of human-caused global warming is nothing more than an anti-capitalist political ploy.

I would love just one unbiased scientist somewhere, anywhere to make the point that global warming is a figment of us liberals' demented imagination. That would be great. I'd love not to worry about it anymore. But I am sorry I just don't trust Cheney and Bush and the oil company execs of the world telling me that everything about the environment is fine and dandy while they are counting their billions.:crazyeye:
 
upstart said:
Hits the nail on the head. I myself live in texas, unfortunately. If I take a random selection of people off the street here and ask them what they do for fun? Playing turn-based civilization games will not be high on the list. So making the game geared for the gun-totin' game-huntin' commie-hatin' type people that are the great majority of conservatives just would not be a very successful idea.

If one thinks about it, the cons have a lot of games - Duke Nuke Em and all the other 1st person shooters, the cops and robbers games, sports games, and for when they are feeling like an intellectual challenge, there is Pong.
 
Merzbow said:
4. For even more laughs let's make the nuclear plant meltdowns cause global warming. There is no evidence that global warming is caused by any human activities at all. Whatever climate variations we see are explained far more robustly as just being part of the natural cycle. The false spectre of human-caused global warming is nothing more than an anti-capitalist political ploy. :lol:

You gotta love the Americans... :rolleyes:

Lances is absolutely right, this game's targeted audience is more of a liberal than a conservative group.
 
Evolution and global warming have nothing to do liberals or conservatives (edit: notice the lowercase letters).

Universities have more left-leaning people because they tend to have more young people (edit #2: just like highschools have a much higher concentration of left leaning people).
 
1. we can laugh at him and often do! dan quayle is famous for having tons of stupid quotes attributed to him, that's why he's way at the bottom of the leaders list. this isn't a liberal or conservative thing - if a liberal politician had as many, or more, stupid quotes, he would have been considered.

4. liberals are anti-capitalist and conservatives believe that humans don't make any impact at ALL on the climate of our planet?

i should stop right there as you seem to be driven by the american quasi-conservative definition of "liberal". if you want to be understood by an international audience, perhaps you should make it clear that you're referencing the american right-wing political definition of the world "liberal" and not the actual definition of the world that many of us would be familiar with.

this game was designed for an international audience, so it obviously isn't going to pander your esoteric political views.
 
I will give you points 3 and 6, the rest of your comments make you look like a high school dropout who listens to Rush Limbaugh all day. As far as number 7 goes, read the newspaper sometime son, every day its a new story about the fascist antics of your dear leader. Better practice that goosestep!
 
Well, personally, I am far more concerned that CO2 emission no longer causes global warming like it did in earlier games. I see it as part of general trend enforced by US authorities to negate existance of global warming and its source or even push it as far as to make any relation between CO2 emission and global warming as politically incorrect.

On a moral level, CIV4 giant step backwards from SMAC. Miriam and Morgan had ganged up on Lal and Deirdre.

:p

The original post was worth a laugh, so I felt the need to contribute.
 
Nothing against the Republicans. Have you actually read some of Dan Quayle's famous quotes. Trust me, I doubt even HE will take offense after having said things as stupid as that...:crazyeye: Go google some of his quotes.
 
1. I don't think Jimmy Carter was being 100% serious. I am 99% sure that he just said that as another way of saying "I don't really care about the Soviets."

2. The UN does have power, although very little. I do agree that you should be able to say "No" to their resolutions but suffer a diplomatic handicap though.

3. That is debatable.

4. This is also very debatable.

5. Reagan certainly had more charisma then FDR, but FDR guided America through The Great Depression and World War II. Reagan was a good President, but FDR was better in my opinion for a game like Civ.

6. Doesn't bother me.

7. Eh...
 
I fail to see what most, if *anything*, of the points raised in the OP has to do with "liberals".
 
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