Brain
Lost in thought
Another quick question. Are the effects of the Copernicus Observatory and Newton's University wonders compounded. Both double the science output of a city, but if I build both in the same city, will it be quadrupled?
Copernicus and Newton
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No - each doubles the BASE science - that is the raw science before even the effects of libraries and universities are added.
You get maximum benefit from building these in cities with high commerce output - eg a few gems or gold bonus resources helps.
You get maximum benefit from building these in cities with high commerce output - eg a few gems or gold bonus resources helps.
Brain
Lost in thought
My understanding is that the effect of libraries and universities are multiplicative (times 1.5 for each), so it doesn't matter whether you double before or after the city improvement's bonus. Or is the formula more complicated than that?
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no - they're additive.
Say your city produces 13 raw commerce, and (for arguments sake) 3 are corrupt - you have a "net" commerce of 10.
If you have science at 60% on the slider, your 'base' research is then 6.
A library provides 50% = an extra 3, as does a university (an additional 3).
Ie - library + university would give a total of 12 science / turn.
Say your city produces 13 raw commerce, and (for arguments sake) 3 are corrupt - you have a "net" commerce of 10.
If you have science at 60% on the slider, your 'base' research is then 6.
A library provides 50% = an extra 3, as does a university (an additional 3).
Ie - library + university would give a total of 12 science / turn.
Brain
Lost in thought
I see. Thanks for the tip. 
I'll try to build those two wonders in two different cities then.
I'll try to build those two wonders in two different cities then.
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You don't necessarily need to build them in two different cities - just try and build them in the city(s) with the highest base commerce (eg. lots of bonus resources that give commerce bonuses, rivers etc).Brain said:I see. Thanks for the tip.
I'll try to build those two wonders in two different cities then.
hehehe tnx for more this teaching
morchuflex
Emperor
I think the formula WAS cumulative in Civ2. With both a lib and a uni you got 225% instead of 200% (a little less than 225%, in fact, due to numbers being rounded down after each step of the calculation). And the same applied to Wonders, economic buildings etc. Correct me if I am wrong.
bobgote
Trousers
but if it's the best commerce city, it's still best to put both newton's and copernicus in the same one. had been wondering about this myself recently, although more worrying that the second one built in the same city would have no effect 
bingen
Prince
It is still possible to get huge science outputs from one city. In vanilla/PTW the key is the Collossus which will greatly increase the base commerce output, then build Copernicus etc. there. In conquests, tourism increases the base output, so your best wonder producing city is often also your top commerce city. Playing OCC(one city challenge) is a nice way to see these things in action.
