Desert to floodplains

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In FF, scorching plains next to a river turns it into desert, and then will later upgrade to floodplains. Does it do the same in Orbis?

-Colin
 
I've never tried scorching plains - I usually need all the production I can get... I've never seen river deserts without floodplains in FF. I haven't installed Orbis yet, so I don't know... I'll try it out. Thanks.
 
You never see a river desert in FF because after ~30 turns it automatically turns to flood plains. This can make for example, the calimbam VERY powerful - flauros on grassland, + sun mana, wait a bit, and you suddenly have a bunch of flood plains and can EASILY get size 20-30 cities... which when combined with their govenor's manor's more than make up for the loss of production from scorching plains. Then later when you get vitalize, you can vitalize the flood plains up to plains and grasslands, making for +7 food squares running aristocracy/agrarianism+sanitaion (and with flauros, +4 gold as well).

If this were in orbis, the lack of aristocracy would allow for +9 food squares in late game, +6 the earlyish game (after you have knowledge of the ether and divination if you palace doesn't provide sun mana or you don't have mirror of heaven). It also allows for squares that you can put your cottages on and not need to worry about feeding them, as the 3 food provided pays for 1 citizen. It is also an excelent way to recover a decent city location from what would otherwise be a horrific start.

The specific reason I had asked originally was I ended up with a start with the kurotaes in orbis that was on mostly plains, but with a nice long river running down it. Shortly after though, I got pwned by the barbarians and the dovollio teaming me, and proceeded to play somewhere else. I didn't have time to test my question in that game, and in my later game my start was without river and rather cramped, so I couldn't test it then either.

-Colin
 
Speaking of the Calabim, I have one game with them as Decius - FoL is my state religion - and all the rivers I have around my size 30 capital are surrounded by grassland. Is is possible to change grassland back to plains? 'Cause it can be really annoying in a city with no hills around it getting absolutely no production whatsoever.
 
In FF it is - scorch moves grassland to plains and plains to desert. In regular FFH though, it isn't. The best you can do is boost up the size as much as possible to get the most engineers/priests as you can. I haven't tested to see if orbis can drop grasslands to plains, but the needing 3 food generally makes that not really worth it in most cases...

-Colin
 
After you get the governor's mansion, you don't need anything but food and happiness with the Calabim. Admitted, they can get quite a bit of commerce from farms too. (feudal contract + taxation lessthanthree)
 
Speaking of the Calabim, I have one game with them as Decius - FoL is my state religion - and all the rivers I have around my size 30 capital are surrounded by grassland. Is is possible to change grassland back to plains? 'Cause it can be really annoying in a city with no hills around it getting absolutely no production whatsoever.

Build a workshop (or two). When you need production, work it, otherwise keep your workers on their farms.
 
Build a workshop (or two). When you need production, work it, otherwise keep your workers on their farms.

scorch! you just love to necro eh?
 
I'm at work, and bored. Besides, I had something to say that wasn't covered before the discussion died, so necro it is.

I haven't played Orbis long enough to know how Workshops measure against other improvements, but they become decent with late-game techs in FfH. That, and I don't like to micro-manage.
 
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