Editor: Civilization Advaces

[GIDustin]

Has anyone figured out what the X and Y things are?

I want to add Fundamentalism and Socialistic Democracy to my modpack but want to add advances with which the governments will come.

Thanks

 

[Kiki]

What is socialist democracy?

Is it better than capitalist democracy? I would love that form of gov't.

Even if this is off topic, look at this topic. This guy (supposedly) will make 'socialistic' democracy possible worldwide.

www.shareintl.org

BTW I still am waiting for the editor to be fixed too. It needs more power.

 

[andy52584]

In reply to <<What is a Socialist Democracy?>>

Well... letsee here..... In game terms, a Socialist Democracy is similar to a Democracy with a few other aspects. It has the commerce bonus that Democracies recieve as well as is able to support a few military units. War wariness is like that of a Republic and the draft limit is likewise.

In "real life" terms, a Socialistic Democracy is similar to the governments of modern day Canada and Australia(except for the fact that they're Socialistic Republics). In such a government many aspects of society are controlled by the government(such as healthcare for instance) and in return for these services the people pay a higher tax than in other governments. The people enjoy much freedom and the rights to represent themeselves while having many basic needs standardized and nationalized by the government. Of course this is at the cost of a higher tax burden to fund such nationalized programs. However the theroy of a Socialistic Democracy extends beyond the current governments. The theroy of a Socialistic Democracy is of a society in which all people are equal regardless of the type of work they do(the idea of Socialism) and have the right to represent themselves(the idea of Democracy). This would create a society in which the people have their basic rights and freedoms without the poverty and major wealth gaps of a capitalistic society. As of now, many agree that it is the ideal form of government. However, implementing this government is quite highly improbable.

A note on wording: I chose to call the governments of Canada and Australia Socialistic Republics, rather than Democracies because in a true Democracy, EVERY citizen has a say in ALL matters. Whereas in a Republic, the people elect Representatives to do the voting for them. Such as in the US. As to my knowledge there are no TRUE Democracies in the world currently.

 

[Gramphos]

AFAIK x and y are the coordinates for the tech to be in the techtree.

 

[Plutarck]

The biggest problem with the Socialist Democracy is it requires a significant and fundamental change in the culture and the way people think not only about government and other people, but about themselves. People are so used to inequality that they've actually come to think it's best and resist it being changed.

Go figure. I suppose "Born a slave, die a slave" is all too true.

Though I do consider the ideal form of government a Minimal Tribalism form of government, which is similar to Socialism. As all governments are immoral save the minimal government, which is a uniquely moral establishment as anything larger or smaller is morally unjustified. And Modern Tribalism promotes a non-classist equal view of all people and respect for all forms of life, where it is understood that you truly do not "own" any living thing, and ownership of non-living things is temporarily and ultimately unimportant. All people are free to seek their individual "meaning of life" in the way they see fit, restricted only in that they may not unfringe upon the natural rights of others.

The key problem in establishing such a government is really the same as above. Current society is just too use to pursuit of material possession and not acknowledging any value or importance on any form of life other than humans, and even then only humans they approve of.



*ahem* But as to your question. The X and Y fields are the positioning of a tech on the Tech Tree. Just pick The Republic tech an change one of it's fields by 40. Save it and start up a game and look at the science advisor screen.

It takes some experimenting to get the "feel" for the numbers down, but it's not hard. Just kind of time consuming. The arrows won't draw properly, by the way.

There's also a bug somewhere when you create a new tech and right-click the last tech alphabetically such as Writing, where the game will throw and error requiring it be shut down.

There's a hiddden index somewhere, and I don't know where...yet.

 

[runaway]

Originally posted by andy52584
I chose to call the governments of Canada and Australia Socialistic Republics, rather than Democracies because in a true Democracy, EVERY citizen has a say in ALL matters. Whereas in a Republic, the people elect Representatives to do the voting for them. Such as in the US. As to my knowledge there are no TRUE Democracies in the world currently.

So that's why the corruption is so bad down here!

 

[Kiki]

Wow that is cool idea, social democracy.

Did you see the link I posted above? I guess it is possible to make it but the reason we can't is because America was born into a 'capitalistic' mindset meaning money and material is good. But that will soon change.

If you check my website www.shareintl.org, the idea of a socialist democracy is layed out. It threatens big business/corporations and military (maybe not it could end up being a military giant monster for U.S. or China if implanted), but helpful for the envionrment and food and basic shelter and education and health care are universal rights. It also threatens 'religious fundamentalism' and will replace all world's religions into a one world religion.

Although some people say there is danger in making the United Nations the most powerful political force out there and establishing a New World Religion. I heard Princess Diana will have something to do with it, and that it will happen about a month from now or less...

 

[andy52584]

Origional message:
*The biggest problem with the Socialist Democracy is it requires a significant and fundamental change in the culture and the way people think not only about government and other people, but about themselves. People are so used to inequality that they've actually come to think it's best and resist it being changed.*


I must whole-heartedly agree. This is absolutely true as to why Socialistic Democracy is highly improbable. While, I feel that such a society is quite ideal, I don't see it happening any time soon. I like your idea of the Tribal government. It is true that in times of old, before our ideas changed(which occured with major religious movements such as Christianity and Islam) we lived in more equal societys in which we respected each other and the planet we lived on.