Feedback on Changing to No State Religion

[HadesScorn]

All- wondering if the following bug is being encountered by anyone else.

I am playing as the Kurios and am getting a reliable CtD whenever I switch from RoK to No State Religion.

I have followed OO IOT build the Tower of Complacency. I switched to RoK IOT build Mines of Gal-Dur [and wipe out those pesky elves!]. Now I am wanting to switch to No State so I can religion spam my settlements and get lots of culture, gold and science from them.

Is anyone else getting this error? If so, what civ are you playing?

 

[Emptiness]

so I can religion spam my settlements and get lots of culture, gold and science from them.

You've lost me there. What are you able to do in No State Religion that you can't do following a State Religion?

(btw I tested and I also get a CtD switching from RoK to No State, even w/o those buildings you mentioned.)

 

[Morlark]

IIRC, in patch g (and earlier) there was a bug where changing back to no state religion caused you to not have any alignment displayed in the scoreboard. I didn't do much testing of the bug, but I suspect somehow the game ended up thinking that you actually had no alignment at all. Who knows, it's possible that this bug might actually be the same bug, just manifesting in a more disruptive manner now, because of interactions with the new AI.

 

[HadesScorn]

With No State Religion you get minor boosts from each religion, ie every RoK city grants +1 gold, OO grants +1 culture, etc. It can be quite the empire booster for the Kurios as a combination settlement/acolyte spam results in mondo research, gold and culture boosts.

 

[PekkaR]

You've lost me there. What are you able to do in No State Religion that you can't do following a State Religion?

You might do it to avoid diplomacy penalties with 2 strong neighbors that follow different religions.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

The only times I've tried witching to No State Religion are when I'm playing as Hyborem and I want Basium to be my ally instead of my enemy. You cannot build the Mercurian Gate while you have AV as your state religion, and the Infernals cannot adopt a different religion, but nothing says they have to be AV all the time.


From what I remember, the No State Religion bug was not that it removed you alignment, but that it listed your name again as if your name was an alignment. Instead of being Evil, Hyborem was only aligned with himself.

 

[Monkeyfinger]

With No State Religion you get minor boosts from each religion, ie every RoK city grants +1 gold, OO grants +1 culture, etc. It can be quite the empire booster for the Kurios as a combination settlement/acolyte spam results in mondo research, gold and culture boosts.

All religions just give extra culture under no state except for RoK, which gives a gold coin.

It's a pretty crappy boost and I'd never abandon a state religion to get it.

 

[HadesScorn]

the culture bomb is not to be underestimated. With the lack of expansion penalties, you can throw down two cities and force the quick cultural flip of a rival's city.

Of course, strategy isn't the main point of the thread. Just seeing if others had encountered it. Hopefully they'll fix next patch.

 

[Nor'easter]

Well, I'm all in favor of culture to expand my borders, but we should be precise in our terminology. A "culture bomb" is the creation of a great work by a Great Bard (Great Artist in BtS) to give you +4000 in a single turn.

The +6 per turn you get from having all religions present in a city and No State Religion is not a culture bomb, since it would take 667 turns to generate the same amount of culture.

 

[Morlark]

From what I remember, the No State Religion bug was not that it removed you alignment, but that it listed your name again as if your name was an alignment. Instead of being Evil, Hyborem was only aligned with himself.

No, the bug did in fact remove your alignment entirely, or at the very least it behaved as if that were the case. Displaying your name in the scoreboard where the alignment would normally have gone was just a side-effect.

In one game, I was playing Elohim, and hence good. I switched to OO, so that I could become neutral and run Slavery. I switched back to no state religion, and got the bug as you described. Now, I don't remember the exact timing, since it was a long time ago, but at some point I somehow ended up being good again, probably because that's Ethne's default alignment. I didn't notice that it had changed until I suddenly found I couldn't whip any more - the game had automatically converted me away from slavery because I no longer met the alignment requirement, even though I had not changed to any religion that would make me good.

So the game certainly didn't consider me to be good, because I was still running Slavery for a good while after the bug had affected me. But it couldn't have thought I was actually neutral, because otherwise it wouldn't have reset me back to my default of good when it realised that something had gone wrong.

 

[Emptiness]

Actually, having all seven religions in one city will grant 7 / turn. RoK doesn't grant any, but OO grants 2 .

Of course, if you follow OO and use a priest to build a temple in a settlement you'll be getting 2 + 3 + 20% = 6 / turn. Potential access to Speakers, Kraken, Saverous, and Hemah might be worth a little less in settlements. However, as HadesScorn indicated the point is that the crash on switching to No State Religion is a bug. Whether or not it is worthwhile doesn't change the fact that it should be fixed.

 

[HadesScorn]

Thank you Emptiness. Hopefully, we will see this fixed next patch and I can continue to play the 'wrong' way.