Flev's Replacement - Raging Barbarians

Sorry for the holdup guys but the save was in the spamfolder of my mailbox so therefore i didn't noticed it. Anyway, problem solved now and the turn is on it's way.
 
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There is discussion going on in some threads whether it's allowed to reload turns in PBEM-games. A lot of people, including me, do this. It's a way of making use of the possibilities each round by changing orders in which I move my units until "the perfect order" is made. I know for a fact that I'm not the only one who plays this way.

Some examples why I believe this:
- I've been playing games in which I had a large stack of units that were wiped the next turn and my opponent had no significant losses
- I've (almost) never seen an opponent lose units without a strategy behind it (like offering one unit so another will survive)

Last but not least; when I was the only one who played this way I would have won most of the games. Fact is, I lost most of them...

It seems that what I consider normal play style seems to be cheating to other people. For me that's the limit; I play for fun and don't want to be accused of such nonsense !

If anyone in this game also considers this cheating please post this here so I can vacant my position to another person.
 
I was being over-sensationalist in my post in another thread for effect, that's the sort of guy I am.

The problem with reloading to get the optimum combo for attack order is that it just encourages building huge unbeatable stacks before starting a war.

It also takes a while (a minute or so) to load up a turn for me.

I play HoF games in single player so I can't reload, ever or else they get rejected. As someone else said, I think using reloading goes against the spirit of the game.

That said, I have reloaded a couple of times:

1) Moved worker onto the wrong hill by mistake
2) Forgot to change my research path due to drunkenness (was teching optics at 0% until I could steal monarchy - forgot to switch immediately to feudalism at 100%).

My tuppence hapenny worth.
 
We need a consensus on this issue.
I don't think it matters as long as we all agree play the same way, whatever that way is.

For me, choosing what unit you play against what unit in a stack is good obvious tactics.
Real world has suicide missions.

Reloading several times to replay different options and end up with unrealistic result is not so real world.

Not a crucial issue until we get to first wars, but we should decide soon (= now) what option we want to follow.
 
I just had an interesting discussion with Calanthian. He shared his vision and I shared mine. Calanthian, as a relative newcomer to the PBEM scene, was convinced reloading wasn't allowed. Me, on the other hand, have been playing while using reloads as I see fit since the 1st day I've played PBEM-games. As far as i know, this has never had that been a problem for other players (and like I said, I know several other players do it too, without naming them, and I don't make a problem about it).

It's the same situation with the use of anabolic stereoids in the bodybuilding scene; no one admits he uses them, but to become the best, you simply have to use them. Another example is no guy watches porn on the internet but when you see their temporary internet files you'll see that.... erm... never mind.

I don't say everybody reloads but when I make an educated guess, I think 50-70 percent makes reloads when thing goes wrong. With that in mind, I simply can't agree with the rule that reloads are forbidden, because for me that's admitting that I "played the bad way". I'll step out the games where players has this opinion.

Ofcourse I want to do this in a nice way so I propose that I open the last turn, change the leader name to a generic one, remove the password and sent it to the game-hoster. Another option is that I change my CIV to AI.

I'll make this posting in every thread I'm playing in, to get your games moving fast again, please let the person that plays as the host of this game make a decision about the rules and if reloading isn't allowed drop me a PB so I can mail the turn with password removed to them. If on the other hand, the opinion is that reloading isn't a problem I'll be happy to stay and bash in your skulls :p
 
I don't think you should redo battles if you don't like the outcome...if you don't have the skill to figure the stuff out before you attack than thats the level of player you are...I would feel cheated if I knew someone replayed a battle against me


PS- I watch porn all the time ;)
 
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