Forbidden palace

[TimBentley]

I recently realized we have enough cities to build a forbidden palace, but no plans to build one have begun. Remember that in vanilla civ, corruption is different than in Conquests. I don't have the time at the moment to consider the possibilities, so I have no suggestion.

 

[truckingpete]

I was going to put a thread about the Forbidden Palace too, but it looks like you beat me too it....we do need it somewhere far away from the real palce but were?

- TP

 

[MOTH]

If we are looking at hand-building a FP then I would suggest Regent Town after Regent Town builds an Aquaduct. This city does get enough shields and population that this should help accelerate the building. It will also help keep corruption down in the likely areas of our first conquests. If we were to wait for a great leader then I would recommend building it in a captured city close to where we get the leader.

 

[Epimethius]

Odawara! Build it in Odawara! If we're going to conquer Rome soon, it seems like a good choice, plus its got corruption to deal with, but lots of food and shields.

Plus I'll be the best housed mayor in the land!

 

[TimBentley]

If you don't want to read through my numbers, just skip to the middle of this post.

Here are some statistics nicely formulated by CivAssist (well, I added some information):
No FP, corruption 42g
Furuyama: corruption of 38g, not currently wasting or corrupting, would be built in 48 turns, would significantly reduce corruption in Epolenep, Regent Town, Manchai, TBD
Immo: 34g, not currently wasting or corrupting, 39 turns, Odawara, Corrino, En'Gha/R'yleh, TBD
Epolenep: 34g, wasting 3s, 3g, 46 turns, Regent Town (60 to 15% corruption), Manchai, TBD
Zojoji: 33g, wasting 1s, 1g, 23 turns, Osgiliath, Sto'vo'kor, Windurst, Pete, Bentropolis (in short, my province)
Odawara: 32g, wasting 4s, 4g, 25 turns, Corrino, En'Gha/R'yleh
Shorin-Ryu: 33g, wasting 2s, 3g, 20 turns, Corrino
Regent Town: 35g, wasting 6s, 4g, 27 turns, Epolenep, TBD (56 to 12%)
Corrino: 33g, wasting 2s, 4g, 28 turns, Odawara, Shorin-Ryu
Osgiliath: 30g, wasting 2s, 4g, 42 turns, my province (pretty significantly)
En'Gha/R'yleh: 33g, wasting 1s, 3g, 27 turns, Odawara, Regent Town, TBD
all others would take more than 50 turns

I think Odawara, Regent Town, and Osgiliath would all be good choices, both in the short-term and the long-term.

Odawara would help the corruption of three cities with significant corruption. It would also help corruption in Rome, and to a lesser extent, Iroquois.
Regent Town would help the corruption of 3 cities with significant corruption, two of them very significantly. It would also help the corruption in Rome and Babylon, and to a lesser extent, Iroquois.
Osgiliath would help the corruption of 5 very corrupt cities. It would also help the corruption in Zululand, and to a lesser extent, France.

Since Rome seems to be the next target, Odawara would help in future (war) expansions, Regent Town would be the second most helpful, and Osgiliath would take a while to have a significant effect on future expansion.

Regarding current territory, Osgiliath would be the most helpful, followed by Regent Town, and then Osgiliath.

Due to my recently acquired position, I'll have to go for Osgiliath (saves me the trouble of having to think ).

 

[Epimethius]

Horray for Odawara, soon to be renamed Tokyo, capital of the East!

It sure has shot up in the ranks recently. I should revive its thread...

 

[Sir Donald III]

In my opinion, we should put the FP as close as we can to the Center of the Southern Subcontinent, in case we want to effect a "Palace Jump".

Which would mean our Newest City would be the FP Home. :crazyeyes:

 

[Civman2004]

What about holding off and building it in rome?

 

[Gregski]

I think we should build the FP much further away as the local benefits would be miniscule. When we build courthouses, most cities around the core will have very little corruption. We need the FP for lands far away. Example: if we war with a distant land and gain several cities, we build an army with the first GL, followed by a FP in the appropriate distant city (probably using a second GL if we get one). If done well, this has the effect of almost a never-ending golden age for the region (instead of having little or no shields and commerce, the place is booming). Done it before, works quite well.
Suggestions welcome...

 

[Cyc]

Rome would not be too bad, but for me, it's too close to the coast. Veii would be better if we irrigated all the plains. If we were to implement a Palace jump, I can see switching Immo to production and building the Forbidden Palace there. Then using a Great Leader to move the Palace to Bapedi. Of course it may be a long, long while before we conquer the Zulus. For those of us who don't wan to wait, I would say Veii.

 

[Rik Meleet]

I prefer it to be in Rome. Our Samurai-induced Golden Age will help a lot as well.

dreaming of a GL ....

 

[Sir Donald III]

If we build it in any Roman City, I'm thinking Antium. It's more "Central" to the Subcontinent than Rome.

Which, by extension, would mean either Odawara or else our newest city.

 

[Epimethius]

Odawara is right on top of Antium, and we have more time to do it in, since we currently have Odawara and don't have to deal with resistance or anything like that. Since Odawara is currently building a courthouse that could easily be scrapped for the Forbidden Palace. So Odawara has a production boost, won't have lag from resistance, and has a large population already and necessary improvements built, while any Roman city will be a little impoverished in those areas. Plus it is now a provincial capital.

And I might just rename Odawara Tokyo if it does get built there, since it would be appropriate.

 

[Sir Donald III]

Only if we rename Fanatikku "Kyoto"

 

[Civman2004]

How about a new rule - we're only allowed to name cities using the 5 letters "k", "o", "o", "t", and "y". So Tokyo is ok, as it Kyoto. Perhaps other cities could include ootyk, tykoo, otyko, ...

 

[Cyc]

How about Kooky?

I think Antium is moving too close to the Capital. Of course this means Odawara would be even closer. We don't want the two Palaces to be too close together. That's why I like Immo and Bapedi.

 

[Sir Donald III]

I think Antium is moving too close to the Capital. Of course this means Odawara would be even closer. We don't want the two Palaces to be too close together. That's why I like Immo.

Er... Immo's in the Capital Province of Zarnia. How would it be better by your Rubric than Odawara?

 

[Cyc]

Er... Immo's in the Capital Province of Zarnia. How would it be better by your Rubric than Odawara?

I don't want to put our DM under any undue stress, but
1. You didn't complete the sentance in your quote, and
2. When I post in a thread, my posts usually have some kind of continuity in them (imagine that). If you go up to my last post (#10), you'll see where I mentioned Immo and Bapedi.

Are you working too hard, SD3? Or are you still feeling the effects of Ivan?

 

[Sir Donald III]

Oh...

Well, what if we decide to Jump to another Continent?

 

[Cyc]

Oh...

Well, what if we decide to Jump to another Continent?

Then Immo would still be a good move for the FP. When we are close to finishing the FP, use an available Great Leader to pop a Palace on the other continent.

The move to Immo would more centralize the Capital base in the midst of our great cities. But you knew this already... you just playin' like you don't.