Foreign Offices ... Term 4

ok - glad you like the basic premise of them…

I've looked, and we don't seem to have a real clear record of techs anywhere.

Here's how I understand it - could someone tell me what the real scoop is? (at work and can't open the save)

TNT:
Has that we don't:
Construction (soon)

We have that they Don't:
Map Making
Literature
Code of Laws


Dnuts:
Has that we don't:
Polytheism
Monarchy (soonish?)

We have that they Don't:
Map Making
Mathematics
Code of Laws

And this should probably be posted somewhere else – but shouldn't we research Currency so we can advance out of the Ancient Age? Please excuse me if I'm jut having another brain fart today.

Once we get it cleared up what our tech position is relative to the other teams – the letters can be adjusted accordingly.
 
I can't double check the save either, but I think this is the current situation:

TNT:
Has that we don't:
Construction (soon)

We have that they Don't:
Map Making
Literature
Code of Laws
Polytheism

Dnuts:
Has that we don't:
Monarchy (soonish?)

We have that they Don't:
Map Making
Currency

We have Currency (traded from TNT) and Polytheism (popped from hut).

After thinking some more, I'm not sure we should send anything to TNT just yet - there is no immediate need to tell them we are desperate for friends. We made an offer for Construction already, and I suspect they may ask us not to trade Construction to KISS or Donuts, and we can reply OK as long as they promise not to trade Construction to KISS.

Of course, there is the possibility that KISS is bidding for Construction right now, but they don't have much to offer until they give us Republic and get our techs - we need TNT to commit to us before then.
 
Awesome!

Thanks Chamnix. (I'm having one of those days - but you probably already knew that)
I'll edit the letters to reflect the true tech situation


Good point on TNT - we can probably hold off, but I'm not sure that's best. If we send this message, and give TNT a good deal, we not only thwart anything KISS may be trying - we also engender some goodwill and give ourselves a natural "out" if TNT tries to tie any anti-Dnuts strings to a deal. We can say "we've already got enough trouble with KISS… we're more than happy to help you, and not trade your techs to Dnuts… but we can't afford to be starting a second war"

If we don't send the message, we run the risk of looking shifty. TNT may well wonder about how conveniently our trouble with KISS has sprung up now that they want our help with the Dnuts.

But – you may very well be right. Our offer to TNT is already fair – and my proposed message may only slow things down instead of speed them up.

Thoughts?
 
UPDATED & RE-POSTED
– for ease of reference and discussion:
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There's no foreign office for Term 5 yet...so I'll use this...

I have no desire to take Fe's place – but we're in a hurry to get moving – so I wrote these draft letters… just to get us started!

What do you think?

Draft letter to TNT:
Dear TNT friends,

We have sad news – things are not going well with KISS, and we fear these warmongering fools may attack us after promising peace. (Our diplomats are still working furiously to avoid this, but there's only so much you can do. You may see a big trade between us happen soon – we would like to back out, but fear that if we do, we'll only bring their attack down on us before we're ready)

Needless to say, we're now in more desperate need of friends than before.
We truly appreciate the warm relationship we've had so far, and we hope to extend and solidify that friendship.

Now – we understand you are at war with those Dnut monsters – so we wouldn't presume to ask for military help. Your forces are plenty busy already I'm sure!
(We've spotted a mounted warrior patrolling the West coast of your continent, near the jungle. If you're trying to sneak down that way – you may want to be aware that there's a MW lurking there.)

--->We know we already have a deal on the table – but we'd like to resolve that deal as soon as possible… and give you a friendly boost - so we're proposing something more generous.

Here's what we propose –
We'll make you a sweetheart deal where we get Construction and you get a big ole sack of Greek goodies.
Name your 2 techs – you want MapMaking and Polytheism? You got it.
Code of Laws and Literature? It's yours.

In exchange, we'd like you to agree to not trade with or help KISS in anyway.

We look forward to hearing what you have to say (the sooner the better!) and many more years of cooperation and friendship.

Please respond soon!

Your Brothers across the Sea,
MIA
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Draft letter to Dnuts:
Dear Doughnut friends,

We have sad news – things are not going well with KISS, and we fear these warmongering fools may attack us after promising peace. (Our diplomats are still working furiously to avoid this, but there's only so much you can do. You may see a big trade between us happen soon – we would like to back out, but fear that if we do, we'll only bring their attack down on us before we're ready)

Needless to say, we're now in more desperate need of friends than before.
We truly appreciate the warm relationship we've had so far, and we hope to extend and solidify that friendship.

Now – we understand you are at war with those TNT barbarians – so we wouldn't presume to ask for military help. Your forces are plenty busy already I'm sure!
(we have heard whispers of a TNT stack headed your way – Those TNT fools have earned a reputation as braggarts… but we thought we'd pass the tip along in case there is any truth to it. Sadly we don't have any info on where the stack is coming from or headed too).

Here's what we propose –
We'll make you a sweetheart deal we get Monarchy and you get a big ole sack of Greek goodies!
(are you researching Monarchy? Do you have any plans to? If not – what are you working on?)
Name your price. If it's anywhere within reason, we'll be happy to make you a silly-good deal. Available for trade are Map Making, Currency, and some Greek Gold.

In exchange, we'd like you to agree to not trade with or help KISS in anyway.

We look forward to hearing what you have to say (the sooner the better!) and many more years of cooperation and friendship.

Please respond soon!

Your Brothers across the Sea,
MIA
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Revised Draft to KISS:
(Original by Chamnix)
Dear KISS:

We are very sad to hear of your decision to bring an end to our deal. We have truly enjoyed our peace and cooperation, and it is our sincere hope that peace can continue even without a formal deal in place. As you noted – war between us only helps TNT and Dnuts – and rewards them for their foolish play so far.

We know that both teams highly value their honor – and we both want to win with honor… therefore we'd like to make sure we're both clear on one point:

According to the terms of the agreement previously signed; Specifically, “…our peace deal is basically unlimited, and can only be terminated at least ten turns beforehand. This shall not be done, before at least 10 turns have passed after the discovery of Republic.”

So while we appreciate your forthrightness in telling us now, according to our signed agreement, you may not cancel the deal until 10 turns have passed after the discovery of Republic – if you still wish to do so, then at that time you may provide the required 10 turn notice as agreed.

As people of honor – we will also remain faithful to the treaty – and will not make any moves to void the treaty until 10 turns after Republic, and even then we would offer 10 turns warning as agreed.

(*please note, we have no intention of declaring war – we just want to make sure we are both clear on what was agreed too regarding the mechanisms for voiding the treaty – which doesn’t mean automatic war)

If it is your view that our prior agreement is completely dead 20 turns after Republic is discovered – we would be deeply saddened, but could accept that as honorable.

We appreciate your dealing fairly and honorably with us in the past, and trust that you will continue to be men of your word in the future.

Sincerely,

MIA
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More Comments? Revisions? Suggestions?
 
General_W said:
ok - glad you like the basic premise of them…

I've looked, and we don't seem to have a real clear record of techs anywhere.
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The Looking Glass first 5 posts are updated with every turn ... except when computers play their games against us humans :( ... In the posts concerning our rivals I mention what of our known techs they do NOT know ... and also what we have gleaned about unknown and researching techs through diplomacy :D

Regarding the letters

We will send something soon ... I am busy with fireworks display this Saturday and must concentrate on that :(

However ...

KISS Responce sounds good ... I propose to add the techs we will be trading to KISS in the letter, ie. no Poly and no HBR ... as Poly was part of the end deal and HBR was not wanted.

This of course will force KISS to turn to Nuts (as if they have not intended this already) ... therefore D-Nut Letter is giving too much info ... I'd prefer to send them an invitation to trade and see what knowledge they want from us ... also send no enemy intel to them as yet.

TNT ... we are waiting for a responce from them ... I believe Chamnix sent a letter asking if they will trade Construction for Poly and Lit ... assisting them on the Monachy path.

All further discussion will occur in the respective Term 5 team folders ... good start ... I have also started a new Term 5 thead here

you will have my full attention in 3 days time :D
 
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