Full civilization of the Khasar Empire

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Civilization: Khazars
Bonuses: Religious and Expansionist
Title and leader: Khangan Ziebel
Best/shunned government: Monarchy and Feudalism (Despotism)
Agression: 04 (high)
Cultural group: Asiatic
Noun: Khazars
Adjective: Khazar
Colors: red (Romans) and Dark Red (Catharge)
UU: Arsiyah
Civilopedia entry: RACE_KHAZAR

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Cities:
Balanjar
Samandar
Itil
Khasaran
Saksin
Tamantarka
Kerch
Kazarki
Sambalut
Samiran
Feodosia
Gusliyev
Samkarsh
Sudak
Sambat
Chernigov
Sarir
Maghas
Sukhumi
Mangup
Sarkel

Military leaders:
Karidach
Barjik
Hazer
Ras
Irbis

Scientific ones:
Busir
Tzitzak
Bihar
Baghatur

Civilopedia:


Arsiyah, the UU:
This unit was done by Bebro and its original name is Ottomon Knight
Link for the unit: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=95492
Arsiyah replaces Knight, has 2 extra deffensive points and cost 10 shilds more.
 
Sarkel wasn't their capital. I don't consider it to have been that much an important city either. I'd move it down to after Khazaran. Also, after a quick glance, you listed the same city twice under similar names (Tamantarka and Tamatarkha). Religious would be the best trait for the Khazars.
 
Mongoloid Cow said:
Sarkel wasn't their capital. I don't consider it to have been that much an important city either. I'd move it down to after Khazaran. Also, after a quick glance, you listed the same city twice under similar names (Tamantarka and Tamatarkha). Religious would be the best trait for the Khazars.
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I think this civ should be Relgious, Military and Commercial, the three threads were important, but I think Military and Commercial were more important then the religious one :)
BTW, I posted the first view of the leaderheads and did changes in the city list.
 
What set the Khazars apart from everyone is their religion. By converting to Judaism en masse, they escaped both the Christian Byzantines and the Muslim Caliphate.

As for the capital, it should be Itil (modern Astrakhan). Khazaran was the city on the eastern side of the river, on the Caspian coast, but it was not a capital. The other to capitals they had were Balanjar and Samandar.
 
Here is a city list what I've found. I don't know if it's a good one but it contains some cities what aren't on your list. Hopefully it's useful :)

Samandar
Balanjar
Itil
Kerch
Feodosia
Tamatarkha
Chufut-Kale
Sudak
Sarkel
Samkarsh
Khazaran
Sambalut
Samiran
Sarir
Maghas
Sukhumi
Mangup
Sarkel
Kiev
 
Mongoloid Cow said:
What set the Khazars apart from everyone is their religion. By converting to Judaism en masse, they escaped both the Christian Byzantines and the Muslim Caliphate.

As for the capital, it should be Itil (modern Astrakhan). Khazaran was the city on the eastern side of the river, on the Caspian coast, but it was not a capital. The other to capitals they had were Balanjar and Samandar.
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I will change the city list and the bonuses, I think commercial and religious r better than commercial and militaristic ;)


Grohan said:
Here is a city list what I've found. I don't know if it's a good one but it contains some cities what aren't on your list. Hopefully it's useful

Samandar
Balanjar
Itil
Kerch
Feodosia
Tamatarkha
Chufut-Kale
Sudak
Sarkel
Samkarsh
Khazaran
Sambalut
Samiran
Sarir
Maghas
Sukhumi
Mangup
Sarkel
Kiev
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:thanx: I'll add the cities present here in my list. Kiev is already present in my city list with other name that I can't remember.
 
Good idea to create a Khazar Civ ! I post what I know about them, perhaps it may help.
Khazars were tribal horsemen, and the few we know about them don't really show them as a commercial civ. They were expansionist for sure : they started from a small kingdom between Caucasus and Volga, and they expanded North and West, taking the whole rivers of Volga, Don and Dniepr. But they didn't subjugate the other tribes (Bulgars, Magyars, Viatitches, Iasses, Petcheneg, Kassoges, Alans). So their empire was more like a "federative" or "feudal" one, the conquered people accepting the Khazars because they were able to protect them and that they were culturally linked to them.
Khazars' elite actually choosed Judaism as official religion, certainly to remain independent from the Califate and the Byzantine Empire. But some of them were christian or muslim (Gothia [part of Crimea] had churches) and archaeiology prooves that paganism hadn't totaly disappeared even during the jewish Khagans.
The Khazar Empire was on commercial ways, so they put tolls at strategical points, I'm not sure the commercial trait fits them.
I would say religious and expansionist bonuses are the two best : religious (which helps culture) saved the Khazars from being influenced by the two neighboor empires, expansionnist for their mobility and spreading. (militaristic would be my third choice)

Title : Khagan or Bek (the Khagan is the ancient king, with religious traits, after the conversion to judaism, he's merely a symbol, the true power is owned by the Bek [a bit like Mikado/Shogun in Shogunat Japan or Calife/Emir in al-Andalus]
Leaders' name: Khagans: Koubrat/Kubrat. Beks: Bulan (first jewish bek), Obadiah, Hanukkah, Joseph (late one).

About the capital, Mongoloid Cow is right : Itil (which was in fact 3 cities: Itil/Khazaran/Khamlykh) was the greatest of their cities, but it's only the third capital they chose. The more ancient capitals they had were : first Balanjar and then Samandar. The arab general Jarrach is the cause this changes : he took Balanjar in 724, and Samandar in 729. Itil is kept as capital even after Jarrach's defeat and Samandar recovered because the city is richer than the 2 others, and far away from Califate threat.
 
ArneoKerdarun said:
Good idea to create a Khazar Civ ! I post what I know about them, perhaps it may help.
Khazars were tribal horsemen, and the few we know about them don't really show them as a commercial civ. They were expansionist for sure : they started from a small kingdom between Caucasus and Volga, and they expanded North and West, taking the whole rivers of Volga, Don and Dniepr. But they didn't subjugate the other tribes (Bulgars, Magyars, Viatitches, Iasses, Petcheneg, Kassoges, Alans). So their empire was more like a "federative" or "feudal" one, the conquered people accepting the Khazars because they were able to protect them and that they were culturally linked to them.
Khazars' elite actually choosed Judaism as official religion, certainly to remain independent from the Califate and the Byzantine Empire. But some of them were christian or muslim (Gothia [part of Crimea] had churches) and archaeiology prooves that paganism hadn't totaly disappeared even during the jewish Khagans.
The Khazar Empire was on commercial ways, so they put tolls at strategical points, I'm not sure the commercial trait fits them.
I would say religious and expansionist bonuses are the two best : religious (which helps culture) saved the Khazars from being influenced by the two neighboor empires, expansionnist for their mobility and spreading. (militaristic would be my third choice)

Title : Khagan or Bek (the Khagan is the ancient king, with religious traits, after the conversion to judaism, he's merely a symbol, the true power is owned by the Bek [a bit like Mikado/Shogun in Shogunat Japan or Calife/Emir in al-Andalus]
Leaders' name: Khagans: Koubrat/Kubrat. Beks: Bulan (first jewish bek), Obadiah, Hanukkah, Joseph (late one).

About the capital, Mongoloid Cow is right : Itil (which was in fact 3 cities: Itil/Khazaran/Khamlykh) was the greatest of their cities, but it's only the third capital they chose. The more ancient capitals they had were : first Balanjar and then Samandar. The arab general Jarrach is the cause this changes : he took Balanjar in 724, and Samandar in 729. Itil is kept as capital even after Jarrach's defeat and Samandar recovered because the city is richer than the 2 others, and far away from Califate threat.
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Thanks for the new infos!
I'll change the bonuses again and change the city list order ;) :)


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BTW, anyone has suggestions for the civ color???
Oh, I'll start work in the other eras right now, soon I can post the previews for feedback.
 
If I could make some suggestions on the art:

1st and 4th era - good as is ;)

2nd era - I would change the texture on the helmet to match the armour down below, its too flat and grey - either make it match the gold/silver on the shoulders OR texture it like you have the collar, maybe making it a brighter silver. It just looks REALLY flat and grey to me as it is.

For the gems or bolts on the front of the helmet I'd make them a different color - either more clearly gems or silver or gold if metal. I don't know if the skirt on the back of the helmet is necessary at all or a distraction from the whole effect, I'd also consider just doing without it depending on the final version of the helmet you decide on.

3rd era - perhaps change the coloring on the top of the head to match or complement the turban better.

The face is really excellent by the way, I'm looking forward to this leaderhead - each one you do seems to get better and better!
 
I did little changes in his eyebrown position.
Well, I've exported all the artworks of the leaders of Bulgaria, Serbia and there is one era left for Lithuanian one. I'll export soon the artworks of this Kushan leader too next monday and tuesday, so, untill next week I'll put these four new leaders for download.
Next creations: Ireland, Phillipines, Benin and Harappans.
 
Your LH looks good. Though I have to commit I didn't know very much about the Khazars before. So they were Jews :eek:!? That's amazing, I always thought Judaism was a non-missionary religion. Well, always glad to learn something new, that's why I like this forum.
Looking forward to your next LHs, I'm especially glad you chose to do the Harappans.
 
Aion said:
Your LH looks good. Though I have to commit I didn't know very much about the Khazars before. So they were Jews :eek:!? That's amazing, I always thought Judaism was a non-missionary religion. Well, always glad to learn something new, that's why I like this forum.
Looking forward to your next LHs, I'm especially glad you chose to do the Harappans.
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I'm glad that u have enjoyed more one LH! :)
The Khazar is a Turkish Tribe that turned a Jewish State to "scape" from Christian and Muslin expansion. I don't know the dates, but part of the Khazar history they were Jew and many Jews of Eastern Europe have relation with the Khazars.
I think there is more on Jew Missionary example in the history of Portugal in the beggining of Medieval Era, but I don't know too many about this and believe, this episodie is a bit polemic.
 
Yes, the Khazar empire was, I think, the only Jewish state in the Middle Ages. I understand that it's thought that most, if not all, Russian and eastern European Jews are descended from them rather than from Middle Eastern Jews.
 
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