G-Major LIX

@Cromagnus:

Nice job finishing up a tremendous effort. Perhaps your high score will deter would be competitors from trying to go after my silver medal on this table ;)

Seriously, fantastic job!!!

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:
 
@Cromagnus:

Nice job finishing up a tremendous effort. Perhaps your high score will deter would be competitors from trying to go after my silver medal on this table ;)

Seriously, fantastic job!!!

:bowdown::bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

If anything will deter people it's this:

"Genghis Khan has won a Time Victory!!!
Time spent: 179 hours, 22 minutes"

To be fair, I was physically at my computer for probably a third of that. But still. I think/hope/fear that 179 hours is a HOF record that will stand a lot longer than my Attila game did. ;)

Edit: Ok, technically I still hold the record for Deity Pangaea.

Looking at the Standard Deity Domination tables now, my first thought is that it raises an interesting point. Ok actually my first thought is that it makes the competitive part of me want to go back and reclaim the throne on Lakes from vadalaz, or at least try, because whew, t69 man, I don't know!

Anyway though, it makes me think back to all the various Deity Tier threads and all the arguments about how civs like Attila shouldn't be a top-tier civ because "Pangaea doesn't count."

And why is it that people say that? Mostly because everyone has *always* proclaimed that Pangaea makes Domination easier. Everyone is connected via landmass, therefore Domination is faster.

So, yeah, I look back on those arguments in the context of Manpanzee's t109 archipelago "Arborea" victory, and I think, so much for that theory. ;)

If archipelago victories can come in around t110, then Pangaea isn't the exception to the rule. Really, now we're only talking about continents style maps requiring more time. And sure, it's very unlikely we'll see t110 victories on a *real* Continents map with anyone but Polynesia. But the point remains. The "holy trinity" of map types is Continents, Archipelago and Pangaea. Continents is really the exception, not the rule. Although, interestingly, most people seem to think it's the only one that should matter. And perhaps they're right. After all, Earth is a Continents map in real life. And, to be fair, until I started playing HOF/GOTM, I only played one Pangaea map ever. The vast majority of my games were on Continents. In fact, until I was trying to complete all the Steam achievements, I ONLY played on Continents.

But the point remains. Continents Domination on Deity has *always* been easy. Like, since ever. Archipelago Domination is also easy, "because Galleas". Domination (to wipe out all but one or two opponents) makes every other VC easier. Therefore Attila, because he is good at Domination on Pangaea and the other 2 types are easy with any civ, is the best civ in terms of "ease of winning on Deity".

There, I said it. ;)
 
Hear, hear! Although my argument is slightly different. Fast domination really depnds on how fast you can get the conquest ball rolling and there is nothing like Attila for that. First 2 caps down by t50, you KNOW you are going to win and win fast.
 
I'm not sure about Deity, but on most difficulties Polynesia should be able to win Continents domination before anyone else. Theoretically, that makes Polynesia both the #1 Archipelago domination civ AND the #1 Continents domination civ.

If those are 2/3 of the relevant map types, does this mean that Polynesia is the #1 domination civ in the game? :eek:
 
I think I would take an early sailing UU (like the Byzantines) over Polynesia on an Archipelago map.
 
On lower difficulties I think Polynesia should still win faster on average. Polynesian archers will move from capital to capital about as quickly as Dromons, thanks to their ocean-crossing ability. Byzantium's melee units would have to wait until Optics and then take a pretty long time to swim to AI capitals.

Tier lists ignore lower difficulties though.
 
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