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Discussion in 'Civ5 - Hall of Fame Discussion' started by Peets, Jun 17, 2015.

  1. Bleidraner

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    Welcome to the group mycivs! I have never had Alex not liberate. In at least 15 games he always liberated. A patch?
     
  2. zenmaster

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    Great to hear from you mycivs! I enjoy looking at your games sometimes to see how you do things. Glad to see you are still having fun as we are. Hope you can chime in from time to time!

    Someone else once found that Alex didn't liberate either. (Memoryjar? Croccovfanatic?) Must be a rare concurrence of factors. Or maybe he goes temporarily insane once in awhile to emulate Attila, as vadalaz has found :). Perhaps there is a random die roll for it and it comes up snake eyes on rare occasions?
     
  3. mycivs

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    thanks, for a warm welcome. before enter gauntlet, all my games were played to finish whenever it won, no turn constrained. i'd love to play hugh map, sit back, looking at beautiful graphics and intelligent ai running around the map, sometime i can see barb tank and gdr which would not be seen in gauntlet.

    however, lots of new skills are found in gaunlet and i will submit whenever time permits.
     
  4. zenmaster

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    @Bram - Nice game! Way to leverage those wonders well. Congrats on a well earned gold medal.

    My T109 win had those two wonders and they are nice.

    The tough part about raging barbs is that it is hard to scout effectively. A scout unit can easily run into an impassable wall of mountains/water/barbs which makes some parts of the map very hard to get to. Archers and warriors are slower and not really any better at wading through thick barbarians. Boreal maps are notoriously stingy with horses-- I think the fastest Culture and Domination victories will often go to those who can get horse units going early on this map.

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  5. zenmaster

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    I am partial to huge maps and cool looking vistas of the world as well. It is very majestic to look at a large landscape in this game. I took to the gauntlets mainly because I learn so many new ways to play and explore through them.

    You have seen barbarian Giant Death Robots???? That would be the coolest unit ever to see in a game. Maybe not so fun if several appeared on your borders though [emoji4] .

    Look forward to hearing from you when your time permits.

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  6. zenmaster

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    Accidentally posted in the wrong forum-- Cannot delete post-- disregard :blush:
     
  7. JoeSham

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    Gave this gauntlet a try. First try was a T112 win, so I thought I could beat T104 with a bit more practice, but then tried a few more times and realised how good the T104 win is. Being a civfanatic I kept going though, and finally got this map where I found Cerro de Potosi T1 and Mt. Kilimanjaro T10. Not the absolute best Wonder combo (first game I had the 2 Great Barrier Reefs, those were ridiculous, if I had a Faith wonder or Mt. Kili with it, that would be insane), as neither had Faith, but still absolutely great. Also had quite a few Wine yards around the starting location and some Salt not that far away too, so really awesome starting location. Only thing was there wasn't a single Faith CS on the map.

    Long story short, I managed to replicate @Bram's time with my own T104 win and fairly happy about it, I don't think I would have changed anything in the game if I was replaying it. Most likely not going to try to beat this anymore as I think only way to beat it is to hit a better Wonder combo (Reef/Kailash, Reef/Kili, Kailash/Kili maybe Kailash/Solomon), or the same and hope (or help it) top AI has a bit less Culture (Germany had 1314 in this game, which is quite high, I had another game previously that I won on T115, so 11 turns later, and top AI had only like 1250 - don't remember how much they had on T104, but I would guess around 1100).

    T17 3 cities
    T24 Pantheon
    T35 Religion
    T41 1st Monastery
    T50 Stonehenge
    T53 Enhanced Religion (Faith +40)
    T58 Philosophy
    T60 Sacred Sites (+4 Tourism, all civs already found)
    T95 12 cities
    T104 win

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    Btw I noticed an interesting thing, not sure if bug or intended: when I had both Pantheon (2 followers) and Religion (1 followers) in Seville pop 4, I was getting +16 Faith from Mt. Kili, seems like One with Nature was calculated twice. Then a bit later when Religion got to 3 followers and city converted to my religion, it went down to the normal +8 (and it still had 1 Pantheon follower there). Anyone noticed this as well? See screenshot:

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  8. JoeSham

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    Tried again with an improved strategy (and luck) and got a T97 win :bounce:

    Gameplan and gameplay writeup
    I know, I said I would not try again, but I just really liked this gauntlet and wanted to get a sub T100 win soooo much. Also I checked @Manpanzee's game log and it inspired me to go with a very warlike approach - basically I DoWed everyone everytime I saw they had any money or anything else valuable to give. And I went almost only units except the mandatory Shrine/Monument/Temple, so I had way stronger army than anyone else very soon and was able to get very good peace deals repeatedly. Also I had a very lucky start of course. First I found Barringer Crater T0 (6 tiles from my cap) and insta bough a Scout and a Worker. Then also found Lake Victoria on T7, 9 tiles from my capital. Then I also found Mt. Kilimanjaro on T16, but I was still first to find it, even though it was just 7 tiles from Copenhagen and 26 tiles from me. Quite far, but I still sent a Settler there and founded Cordoba on T42 (the journey of the pilgrims was tough, had to accompany it with 2 units). Also I delayed my Religion for several turns so that Cordoba would receive the One with Nature pantheon. Then later in the game I also found the Grand Messa on T52, I wasn't first to it obviously, but I still immediately bought a Settler and founded a city there, as it wasn't super far from my capital either, 17 tiles. Also as I was keeping almost everyone in check by demanding everything they had and not letting anyone complete any CS quests etc., they weren't able to get much culture - it actually resulted in the best AI Carthage (they were far from me) to pile up only 680 culture till the T97, while before in my mostly peaceful games the best AI would usually have around 1000 by that turn. The only problem was that I wasn't able to find Maria I of Portugal at all. It was turn 82 and I had like 90% of the map scouted, but still no sign of Maria. I already knew she must be in the top right corner, but I only had 1 Spearman there with 30% health going through very ugly terrain seeing barbarians left and right. And to get to this part of the world one had to go all the way to the bottom half of the map because in the top there was a huge mountain range and a lake. So yeah, I was getting fairly desperate. Luckily my heroic Spearman somehow avoided the near certain death and prevailed to find Maria hidden behind the huge mountain range in the very top right with just her capital. It was turn T86 and she had not met any other civ yet. The only one somewhat close to her was Carthage, but that only made things worse as Dido expanded a lot and was blocking my path making the journey even longer. Of course I took every last penny she had for that insolence! Well anyway, the gods stayed on my side and I was happy to find that Maria certainly isn't a very cultural person, actually she was the biggest barbarian of the lot with just 337 final culture. Guess being alone in the woods and mountains cut off from the rest of the world doesn't inspire people culturally too much. Other than that everything went smooth, I was raking in over +100 Faith per turn since like T80, so my Tourism kept rising steadily. There was only one minor obstacle - Dido of Carthage, the cultural leader of the rest of the world (still pretty much cavemen level) wouldn't accept any of my gifted cities. Or more specifically, she would accept them and then burn them to the ground immediately. I tried twice, first one I admit was a sh*thole of a city built specifically for her in a north-Canada-like area (just snow tiles around), so I tried again with a much nicer riverside city close to a wine yard. She burned it to the ground the second she got it anyway. So I decided I have to give her something she can't burn to the ground and sent Gandi to his next live (he probably became some insect though as he wasn't very nice this game at all). Dido paid me all she had for Delhi, but instead of keeping it she immediately brought Gandi back to live with some dark magic of hers. So no, there wouldn't be a trade route between our civilizations this game. If there was, the Carthaginians would probably have accepted the Spanish cultural domination some 2 turns sooner, but oh well, I guess Spain can't complain about a 450 BC cultural domination.

    Notable events
    T00 found Barringer Crater 7 tiles from my capital (ehm, Settler, there was no capital yet)
    T07 found Lake Victoria 9 tiles from my capital
    T16 found Mt. Kilimanjaro 26 tiles from my capital, and only 7 from Copenhagen; still 1st to it; also Barcelona was founded near Lake Victoria
    T19 started worshipping the Nature gods and all Natural Wonders became holy places that inspired a lot of faith
    T37 the long expected Great Prophet was finally born; he decided to enjoy life for a while before starting his religious agenda though
    T38 Seville was founded next to the Barringer crater - just a small village in the wilderness for only the most devoted
    T42 finally the pilgrims arrived to the mythical Mount Kilimanjaro, and established a settlement called Cordoba there
    T43 the Great Prophet finally started his Religion, a turn later than he should have, the lazy bastard
    T48 Philosophy was discovered and people learned how to build temples
    T52 the Spanish archery batallions randomly stumbled upon a mythical mountain called the Grand Messa. Apparently some local pagans found it first, but still the brave soldiers found a bit of gold there, and gave it to their mighty Queen; she immediately sent a group of pilgrims to establish a spanish settlement there
    T59 and a bit later they did, and called it Toledo; they started mining gold there
    T61 another Great Prophet was born, and this one was way more devoted and immediately enhanced our religion by teaching people how to build Mosques and also how to train missionaries cheaper
    T64 Spanish Sacred Sites started attracting tourists
    T70 Gandi realised that Mumbai would be better off belonging to the Spanish empire; it is possible those 6 legions of Spanish crossbowmen helped him with his decision
    T85 Queen Isabella decided to help teach the pagans from the Carthaginian empire the true ways of God, and established a nice little village called Pamplona for them; pagans sticked to their pagan ways though, and burned the village to the ground
    T86 the brave Spanish explorers went beyond the edge of the known world and found a remote and very uncivilized nation who called themselves Portugese. These indigenous people had not met anyone from the outside world before, so they were a little hesitant at first, but quickly they realised the Spanish culture is good for them, and started buying our blue jeans and listening to our pop music
    T94 seeing how the Indians struggle without a proper leader, Queen Isabella took over the city of Delhi and after seeing it, she decided this might be where the Carthaginian pagans could learn to live civilized lives before they were ready for the real Spanish culture. The pagans used their dark magic though and brought Gandi back to life
    T97 the Spanish culture became dominant in every corner of the known world, even at the Carthaginian pagans. It took a bit of persuasion and a razed city here or a few dead pagans there, but the world finally became a better place

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  9. zenmaster

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    Awesome writeups, Joe Sham, and way to go subT100 !!!

    Great strategy, and 3 near 1st find wonders didn't hurt :).

    That Boreal map is so huge, and with raging barbarians, scouting is tough. Glad your spearman got through for the great finish!

    Yes, the pantheon/religion split cities are weird. I mostly notice it when my size 2 or 4 cities have equal pantheon and religion sway and I get neither benefit :undecide:

    Also, I gave up on the "gift a city to the culture leader so I can run a caravan to it" strategy a long time ago.
    Somewhere in the dim recesses of my memory, it seems like it may have worked once for me, but it has failed in every other attempt for as long as I can remember. I think all my Sacred Sites cities are too small to be wanted, even with good resources in their radius.

    Anyway, fantastic writeups! Enjoyed reading them.
     
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  10. zenmaster

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    Oh, and don't underestimate Maria I of Portugal.
    Often she is a subpar ruler, but there are games every once in awhile when she is a buzzsaw, obliterating any goal you are trying to achieve. Have had great games ruined by her sniping a wonder amazingly out of nowhere, creating a wonder juggernaut, or showing up with an improbable army at the worst times. I tend not to include her so often in high level games, because she can get that juggernaut started sometimes. Respect :thumbsup:
     
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