GOTM 153 Spoiler

[Major Advantage]

It seems I am behind a few turns/techs...

20 San.->Math; more hides(u)82; get Math from Rome
40 Research Astro
60 horse from south american hut
100 Astro->Seafaring
(Romans capture Persepolis)
140 domestic copper(d)>Karakorum 136g;
160 Seafaring->University; Copernicus built; gold(d) Karakorum > Tokyo 312g
180 Uni->chem.; embassy with Egypt, nothing interesting
220 chem->Gravity; embassy with Zulu; 174 for delivery to Karakorum
240 Grav.->Banking; deliv. 120, 194; Karakorum size 21 and growing, generating 108 arrows; Papua founded
260 Banking->Econ.;
280 Deliveries 170, 124
300 Econ.->Monotheism; 180; Atlanta, Los Angeles founded
340 Mono->Feudalism(759); Newton College, 1st pollution near Karakorum
380 Feud.->Inv.; Decide to assimilate Persia, they haven't replaced their capital so far
420 Inv.->Nav.; Michelangelo built, Vivekananda founded, Susa subverted (2*128), get 64, HBR and settler
(Will we need Leonardo? just 2 boats, 10 settlers (2 none), so probably not)
440 Broome founded, 25g from hut; delivrey 37
460 Nav.->Gunpowd.; deliv. 48; subvert rioting Arbela 2*120 (59 in return), re-name to Visakhapatnam, bribe barb horse in Australia for 41g
(lose dip to another barb horse in Australia)
500 Gunp.->Expl(874).; kill barb horse in Australia

stats at 500 AD
pop.: 6.69M; Cities: 26; techs: 38; gold: 1171; Gov.: Rep; wonders: Pyr, HG, Colossus, Shakespeare, Copernicus, Newton, Michelangelo; TR: 11D/3F
units: 11 settler, 13 army, 2 boat, 1 dip, 9 van

520 coal(d) Kara->Vancouver 240; Yellowknife founded; bribe Pasargadae (Calcutta) 285, get 81 + Marco Polo, Persia declares war but drops out of existence
540 Explosives->physics(897); deliveries 68, 318
560 phys.->Magnetism; deliveries ??
580 Magn.->Democracy(943); deliveries 48
600 Panama, Sapporo founded, delivery 82, zero science, just 2 scientist in Kara
620 Demo(revolt& est.)->Theology(966); deliv. 129; Karachi founded
640 Theo->Metall(989); 156, 84, 96
(Barbs in S-America)
660 Metall->Steam; Aktay founded; 247, 262
680 Steam->Electr. (1035) (Delaying RR for two turns, since there are still some commodities to deliver); 116, 77, 118; Jerusalem founded
(Barbs north of Chanty Mansisk)
700 Electr.->Conscr.(1058); rush dip in Chanty Mansisk; 420, 126
(Defender in Chanty killed; Romans develop chivalry)
720 Conscription->Railroad(1081); Barb crusader bribed for 61g; gift gunpowder to Rome hoping they do leadership; 212, 126, 118
740 RR->Industr.(1104); 226; calculate and rush 3 libraries
760 Ind.->Atomic Th.(1127); Rush some more libraries and science to 90% and... realize I forgot the scientists in Kara...
780 Darwin, Atomic->Corporation->Steel->Refining(1196); Bribe barb ele in N.America 82g
800 Ref.->Refrig.(1219); Perth founded; deliveries 42, 267
820 Refr.->Combust.(1242); Romans are working on Leadership, Polarpolis founded, 36, 46
840 Comb.->Automob.(1265); 189
(Barbarians take over unprotected Vivekananda)
860 Auto->Mass Prod.(1288); 110, 38, 340
880 M.P.->Nucl. Fission(1311); Bribe back Vivekananda for 130; Melbourne founded, 738
900 Fiss.->Electron.(1334); 236, 74, 85
920 Electr.->Genetic eng.; Bach Cathedral, Wellington founded; 228, 364, 822; tech-bomb England hoping this will speed up Rome's leadership
940 Genetic->Nucl. Power->Laser(1403); 276, 442, 236
960 Laser->Communism; 74, 162, 824, 54; start celebrations
980 Commy->Recycling (still hoping for roman Leadership); 402, 234, 966
1000 Recycl.->Espionage; Cure for Cancer; Borneo founded; 427, 892

stats at 1000 AD
pop.: 14.89M; Cities: 39; techs: 64; gold: 2294; Gov.: Dem; wonders: Pyr, HG, Colossus, Shakespeare, Copernicus, Newton, Michelangelo, Marco Polo, Bach, Darwin, CfC; TR: 56D/5F
units: 1 settler, 23 engin., 16 army, 6 boat, 4 dip, 18 van

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Thanks Inkerman and Major.

Major,
Looks like your +1000 status is not right; too many similarities to your +500 status.

 

[Major Advantage]

Thanks Inkerman and Major.

Major,
Looks like your +1000 status is not right; too many similarities to your +500 status.

You are right, i had missed some edits ind my copy, paste & edit the stats. It should be correct now.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

It seems I am behind a few turns/techs...

In no small part due to early hut luck. For a change, mine was excellent in this game. By -3000 I tipped 5 hurts. I got 2 none units before founding Karakorum; 50g that allowed a size 1 settler I was not planing on; and 2 harmless empty huts. Between -3000 and -2000 I got an advanced tribe founding my third city, and 2 nomads (among other not so remarkable outcomes).

 

[Ali Ardavan]

+0520 Tactics -> Fundamentalism. Domestic deliveries for 174.
+0540 Egyptians lose another chariot attacking my rifleman. 2 Egyptian units killed.
+0560 Fundamentalism -> Navigation. Lost Cavalry in attack on Thebes. Domestic deliveries for 273. T1L3S6
+0580 Barbarian dragoon lands near Alaska. Navigation -> Physics -> Amphibious Warfare. Caravel sinks barbarian trireme. Domestic deliveries for 235. Silk to Washington for 468. T3L3S4
+0600 Amphibious Warfare -> Magnetism.
+0620 Barbarian Dragoon kills alpine defender of Alaska. Newton built. Magnetism -> Atomic Theory. Senate hands peace to Egyptians. Domestic deliveries for 165, 291, 188. German Leipzig subverted for 2x228g. Got 71g, Phalanx, and Barracks. German civilization destroyed. No respawn.
+0640 Barbarian dragoon dies in attack on rifleman shipped into Alaska. Atomic Theory -> Electricity. Xotan founded.
+0660 Electricity -> Refrigeration. Barbarian leader for 100g. T2L3S5
+0680 Refrigeration -> Steam Engine. Domestic deliveries for 186, 98. Deliveries to Americans for 208, 280. Yemen refounded.
+0700 Magellan built. Steam Engine -> Railroad. Sardestan founded.
+0720 Antium disbanded. Railroad -> Industrialization. Domestic deliveries for 98, 218. T2L2S6
+0740 Industrialization -> Corporation -> Steel. Domestic deliveries for 40, 180, 302. Copper to Zulu for 240.
+0760 Steel -> Genetic Engineering -> Refining. Deliveries to Boston for 240, 126. Gems to Egyptian Memphis for 162. Coal to NY for 255.
+0760 (760 again, do not have a save to go back) Refining -> Combustion. Only freshly produced units get a chance to move.
+0780 Combustion -> Automobile. Domestic deliveries for 106. Silk to Washington for 618.
+0800 Automobile -> Electronics -> Machine Tools. First pollution appears near Karakorum. Domestic deliveries for 42. Dye to Rome for 114. Oslo founded.
+0820 Machine Tools -> Mass production. Cure built. Gold to London for 330. Deliveries to Boston for 252, 222.
+0840 Americans build Pyramids. Mass Production -> Mini -> Computers. Farghaneh founded. Domestic deliveries for 175, 310.
+0860 Barbarian Frigate appears on the scene and takes undefended Basra. An Engineer, a boat, and a food caravan are lost. Computers -> Mobile Warfare. Basra bribed back for 416g. Got a dragoon and a frigate; lost temple, marketplace, aqueduct, and sewer. Gibraltar founded. Domestic deliveries for 130, 42. Egyptian Memphis bribed for 785g. Got 118g, 2 Archers, and a barracks. T3L2S5
+0880 Senate hands cease fire to Egyptians. Mobile Warfare -> Robotics. Domestic deliveries for 70, 188. Silk to Egyptians for 24.
+0900 Robotics -> Nuclear Fission. Xojand founded. Cloth to Zulu for 112. Toronto founded as the second city on island 2. T4L2S4
+0920 Nuclear Fission -> Nuclear Power. Adam Smith and SETI built.
+0940 Nuclear Power -> Communism -> Recycling. Copenhagen founded.
+0960 Americans land a crusader on my mainland and it roams around without taking any undefended cities. Recycling -> Espionage. Domestic deliveries for 318, 62.
+0980 Espionage -> Guerrilla warfare. Domestic deliveries for 112, 46, 308.
+1000 Guerrilla warfare -> Labor Union -> Laser. Hoover built. Beads to Egyptians for 176. Domestic deliveries for 110, 40, 304, 329.

Status at +1000
Population: 40M; Cities: 42; Techs: 76; Government: Democracy
Gold: 1215; Cost: 173; Trade routes: 15 short of full;
Ancient Wonders: Hanging Gardens, Colossus
Medieval Wonders: Marco, Michelangelo, Shakespeare, Copernicus, King Richard's, Magellan
Industrial Wonders: Bach, Leo, Newton, Adam Smith
Modern Wonders: Cure, SETI, Hoover
Units: 31 engineers (3 None), 11 defenders (2 None), 3 attackers, 1 Frigate, 7 transports, 2 diplomats, 10 vans
Goals: Apollo, Space race
Footprint: 25 cities in Asia, 3 in Europe, 2 in Africa; 1 in each of Philippines and New Zealand; 2 in each of Japan and north America; 4 in Australia; 2 in eastern part of island 2 (north of Canada).
Roman: 2 cities, no embassy
Zulu: 1 cities, no embassy; Allied with me
German: Destroyed by me
Egyptian: 1 cities, no embassy
Persian: Destroyed by me
American: 3 cities, no embassy
English: 1 cities, no embassy

 

[Ali Ardavan]

+1010 Laser -> Flight. Domestic deliveries for 44, 155.
+1020 Flight -> Radio -> Advanced Flight. Domestic deliveries for 271, 178. Silver to Washington for 240.
+1030 Egyptians break cease fire and lose a legion attacking Gibraltar. Advanced Flight -> Rocketry. Tank attacks and kills a defender of Thebes turning vet. Domestic deliveries for 371. Gold to London for 80. Roman embassy established. Revolting Veii subverted for 2x660g. Spy turned vet. Got 331g, 4 structures, 3 musketeers, and a settler. Cloth to Zulu for 285.
+1040 Egyptians lose a chariot attacking my tank. Rocketry -> Space Flight -> Environmentalism. Romans declare war rather than move their settler. Tank kills Phalanx defending Thebes and takes the city for 161g, barracks, and city walls. Egyptian civilization destroyed. Berlin founded. Silk to NY for 172. Domestic deliveries for 90.
+1050 Environmentalism -> Combined Arms. Domestic deliveries for 48, 184. Vet Tank kills 2 musketeers defending Rome which has city walls. Lost cavalry and frigate on the last remaining musketeer defending Rome.
+1060 Combined Arms -> Plastics. Domestic deliveries for 30. Vet tank kills remaining defender of Rome. The city is taken for 278g and marketplace. Roman civilization destroyed.
+1070 Plastics -> Superconductor. Domestic deliveries for 208, 150. Copper to Zulu for 58. Wool to Boston for 182. English embassy established.
+1080 Superconductor -> Fusion Power -> Stealth. Domestic deliveries for 96, 25, 455. Salt to NY for 131.
+1090 Americans steal Fusion Power; I declare war. Apollo built. Stealth -> Future Tech 1. American diplomat killed. Domestic deliveries for 190. Zulu embassy established.
+1100 Future Tech 1 -> 2. Space race starts with 1 component. Senate hands cease fire to Americans. Domestic deliveries for 28. Silver to Americans for 144. Cuba founded.
+1110 Future Tech 2 -> 3 -> 4. Domestic deliveries for 382, 118, 318. Murmansk founded. American embassy established.
+1120 Future Tech 4 -> 5. Domestic deliveries for 72.
+1130 Future Tech 5 -> 6. Domestic deliveries for 336.
+1140 Barbarian fanatics in Greenland near Toronto. English steal Plastics. I declare war. Future Tech 6 -> 7 -> 8. Vet tank kills 2 defenders of London. Salt to NY for 155. Silver to Zulu for 47.
+1150 Future Tech 8 -> 9. Defenseless London taken for 220g. English civilization destroyed. Domestic deliveries for 428, 257. Peace -> American -> maps
+1160 Future Tech 9 -> 10. Domestic deliveries for 54, 30, 150.
+1170 Future Tech 10 -> 11. Wool to NY for 163. Domestic deliveries for 307. Americans declare war rather than move troops.
+1180 Future Tech 11 -> 12 -> 13. American diplomat killed. Domestic deliveries for 55, 36.
+1190 American crusader dies attacking my rifleman. Future Tech 13 -> 14. Silk to NY for 164.
+1200 Future Tech 14 -> 15. American catapult killed.
+1210 Large native unrest in Greenland. Previous one was small and they disappeared before reaching Toronto. Future Tech 15 -> 16 -> 17. American explorer killed. T3L2S5
+1220 Future Tech 17 -> 18. Full space ship launched. There is a Carthaginian settler on ice in Greenland. Spy bribes it for 164g.
+1221 Future Tech 18 -> 19. Domestic deliveries for 166.
+1222 Future Tech 19 -> 20 -> 21. Domestic deliveries for 110. American cannon killed.
+1223 Future Tech 21 -> 22. American crusader killed. S.Greenland founded. Barbarian fanatic bribed for 41g. Domestic deliveries for 102.
+1224 Future Tech 22 -> 23. Barbarian fanatic bribed for 41g. Congo founded.
+1225 Future Tech 23 -> 24 -> 25. Eiffel and UN built. 2 barbarian artillery bribed for 102g each. They each kill a barbarian fanatic. There are still 5 barbarian units left. Domestic deliveries for 164.
+1226 Future Tech 25 -> 26. Gold to Washington for 384. American diplomat killed. 2 more barbarian units killed.
+1227 Future Tech 26 -> 27 -> 28. Barbarian artillery killed. Domestic deliveries for 46.
+1228 Future Tech 28 -> 29 -> 30. Lighthouse, Oracle, and Liberty built. Domestic deliveries for 206. T1L2S7
+1229 Future Tech 30 -> 31 -> 32. Suffrage built. American crusader killed. Domestic deliveries for 215. Gems to NY for 236.
+1230 Future Tech 32 -> 33 -> 34 -> 35. Darwin, Great Wall, Great Library, Sun Tzu, Manhattan built. American Cannon killed. Domestic deliveries for 77. Khazar and SanFrancisco founded. T0L10S0

 

[Major Advantage]

And we fell further behind. At some point I had decided not to bother with the inconveniences of spaceship-building and chose another path instead.

1010 Esp.->Fundy; spy on Rome, they are running 60% science; 56, 422, 285, 90, 602, 32
1020 Fundy->Chivalry(nothing else to choose, 1518); 115, 386, 892; get chivalry from Rome
1030 Leadership->Tactics->Guerilla; 100g from polar hut, Lhasa Uranium van, Halifax founded; 188, 570, 306, 480, 197
1040 Guerilla->Mach. Tools->Mini(1633); Kourou founded; 138, 230, 440, 1088
(Romans develop Leadership)
1050 Mini->Computers->Flight(it hurts, but there is no point in avoiding it any longer); 266, 46, 848, 380, 102, 1108; Karakorum generating 170 arrows
1060 Flight->Radio; Kara down to only 129 arrows; 310, 128, 146, 198, 300; Reduce science for mor tax
1070 No tech this turn, lots of platforms under construction; All gold spent, maybe HTC (with stealth fighter/paratroops) instead of landing?; 176
1080 Radio->Adv. Flight(1725); 154, 177, 387, 236, 153, still terribly low on cash
1090 Adv. fl.->Mob war; 285, 118, 498, 276, 195; Stop celebrations now that Karakorum reached size 37
1100 MobWar->Rocket; 896 (Uranium, a little disappointing), 506, 178; Sao Paulo founded
1110 Rocket->Space; 53, 31, 192, 285, 104, 116, 308, 256, 342; Casablanca founded
1120 Space->Plastics; 74, 476, 200, 240, 430
1130 Plastics->Robotics; Adam Smith built; 114, 138, 240, 412, 398, 290; enough gold for another 2 t/a
1140 Robot.->Supercond.->Stealth; UN built; 78, 144, 300, 224, 342, 396, 344, 176
1150 Stealth->Comb. weapons->Environment; Eiffel-Tower and Hoover Dam; 332, 138, 266, 491, 56, 534, 324
1160 Enviroment->Fusion; 152, 130, 260, 18, 348, 379, 100
1170 Fusion->Labor U.; Montevideo founded; 340, 222, 582; hail England, they offer alliance, accepted, they want us to join their war with Germany, we sure do since our troops are ready, attack Berlin, kill all defenders and it is size 1... leace it at that for now
1180 Labor->FT1; Nairobi founded; 248, 238, 288, 298, leave a spy in roman territory as bait
(Romans do nothing, Egyptians steal Fusion, we choose not to care)
1190 FT1->FT22; 100g from polar hut; 588, 172, 343; send stealth fighters against Rome (senate agrees): Rome 321g, Veii 195g, Leipzig 180g+GL, Roman civilization destroyed
1200 FT2->Amph; SETI & Apollo built; Destroy Berlin and whole german civ; 256, 254, 644, 128, 156, 312
1210 Amph->FT3->FT4(2093); Sun Tzu; 97, 120, 72, 480, 294, 426, 438
1220 FT4->FT5->FT6; Oracle, GW built; Demand egyptian retreat, they declare war right away! Nice! Take Thebes 507, Memphis 126, Egypt assimilated; 475, 172, 560, 100, 252, 130
1230 FT6->FT7 (just missed); 74, 365
1240 FT7->FT8->FT9; SoL built; 220, 338, 98, 66, 280, 400, 386, 502; Demand zulu retreat, war, raze Zimbabwe 126g
1250 FT9->FT10->FT11; Leonardo; 75, 235, 72, 444, 226, 180, 571, 250
1260 FT11->FT12->FT13; WS built; 325g gift from England; 286, 372, 40, 218, 164, 402, 156, 266, 627; Narvik, Brisbane, Tunguska, Greenland founded
1270 FT13->FT14-FT15; LH, KRC (in Jerusalem) and Manhattan built; Cancel alliance, try to attack but senate interferes; Murmansk, Oslo, Point Hope founded; 194, 224, 124, 492, 422, 149, 360, 550, 185; rush lots of courthouses
1280 FT15->FT16->FT17; Demand english retreat, they declare war. That was easy! Petropavlowsk founded, settle last engineers, final delivery for 194, clear London with stealth fighter, paratrooper lands inside (300g)

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Interesting. You went for landing from the start. Even built Apollo in 1200. But then lost patience and conquered instead. Did you build any space ship parts? Why didn't you just keep one rival city around while finishing up the space ship?

In my case the rivals became belligerent as they always do near the end. With my later expansions in west Asia and Europe, the rivals were too close for comfort and no longer a worthwhile trading partner (same landmass and not very big cities). I was eager to eliminate them and they handed me the opportunity. Egyptians, Romans, and English thus fell. Zulu became allies in mid game and despite becoming uncooperative in their attitude they never made any demands so the alliance lasted till the end. Americans became a democracy, otherwise I would have bribed away their cities in North America and add some of my own.

 

[Major Advantage]

Interesting. You went for landing from the start. Even built Apollo in 1200. But then lost patience and conquered instead.

Something like that. But it was earlier that I realized I wouldn't have the gold and the pre-built vans necessary for a quick and efficient spaceship-building-period, so I went for an easy conquest with all wonders. At that point there is not much benefit in the wonders and Apollo gets rid of black tiles.