GOTM 154 Spoiler

[Major Advantage]

It's about time somebody opens the spoiler-thread.
I went for the river first and it was way more tempting to found two cities there than to wait for the s1-settler. After that, it was expand & explore.

-3900 Washington (78,24) and New York (80,28) founded
-3850 Research Burial
-3750 CB->Monarchy, in six turns, so it should be discovered in -3450
-3500 Mon.(hm, too early)->Writing; 100g from hut, revolution
-3450 become monarchy, chariot from hut
-3200 Nomads from hut
-3150 Boston founded
-3100 Writ.->Bronze

Stats at -3000
pop.: 30k; Cities: 3; techs: 6; gold: 113; Gov.: Mon; wonders: -; TR: 0D/0F
units: 2 settler, 2 warrior, 1 chariot

-2850 Philadelphia founded
-2750 Bronze->Currency; 50g from hut
-2700 Atlanta founded
-2600 Discover Bombay, deny peace hoping they would offer money, but they don't
-2500 Sign peace with india, get currency from them but no tribute
-2450 Research mapmaking
-2350 MM->Trade; MM to india, exchange maps
-2100 Chicago, San Francisco founded
-2050 Buffalo founded
-2000 Trade -> Literacy; St. Louis founded

Stats at -2000
pop.: 150k; Cities: 9; techs: 10; gold: 34; Gov.: Mon; wonders: -; TR: 0D/0F
units: 3 settler, 2 warrior, 1 chariot
Goals: Expand and turn Washington SSC, Bombay should be in range for TR-road/railroad-bonus

-1950 Detroit founded
-1800 New orleans founded
-1700 Lit.->Myst.; reduce science in favor of gold
-1650 Barb trireme appears next to Chicago, which was about to build a trireme...
(Barb Archer embarks, Indian Capitol to Bombay)
-1600 short of gold to bribe barbs, hail india, sign alliance for literacy, ask for gift, get 100g, bribe Archer for 61, trireme for 82g
-1450 hides(d)>Bombay 52g
-1400 Discover the dateline and Bombay is on the other side! So no bonus for the TR again
-1350 Myst.->Philo
-1200 Baltimore founded on island 6
-1050 Marco Polo completed; hail England, peace, get pottery, maps, ask for tribute, they declare war;
hail Spain, peace, maps, get polytheism; 25g gift from India
-1000 Nomads on Island 16; sign peace with england

Stats at -1000
pop.: 410k; Cities: 13; techs: 14; gold: 29; Gov.: Mon; wonders: Marco Polo; TR: 0D/1F
units: 6 settler, 6 warrior, 1 Archer, 1 phalanx, 1 chariot, 2 dip, 2 boat, 2 vans
Goals: Forget about SSC, build HG and Michelangelo, aim for medium conquest, maybe with Fundy via SoL

 

[Ali Ardavan]

I decided to play OCC becuase the setup is great for OCC, it has been a while since I played one, and a quick game is needed when getting started nearly 6 weeks after the game is posted.

Date / Produced / Tech achieved / Other notables

-4000 Both settlers move east towards the river.
-3950 Spanish are in. Resource seed is 23.
-3900 English and Indian are also in.
2 of the 4 specials are hidden.
Washington founded at 78,24.
-3850 Writing not a choice. Chose Burial instead.
50g from hut.
-3650 Warrior Ceremonial Burial
-3450 Bronze Working from hut
-3400 First Silk mined.
-3350 Washington is size 2, No Blue rival yet.
-3050 Monarchy Monarchy established. T3L0S7

Status at -3000
City Size: 2 Government: Monarchy Gold: 76 Techs: 6 Trade routes: 0
Structures:
Wonders:
Units: 1 None settler, 1 warriors,
Goals: Marco
blue: No cities yet, this is really odd
Spanish: No contact
English: No contact
Indian: No contact

-2950 Empty hut
-2600 T1L2S7
-2550 Currency Washington is size 3. T0L3S7
-2100 T0L4S6
-2050 Washington is size 4

Status at -2000
City Size: 4 Government: Monarchy Gold: 93 Techs: 7 Trade routes: 0
Structures:
Wonders:
Units: 1 None settler, 1 warriors,
Goals: Marco
blue: No contact, no cities in top 5 yet
Spanish: No contact
English: No contact
Indian: No contact

-1850 Trade Second Silk is mined. T0L3S7
-1600 Marco No blue rival. I wonder why. I am Strong
Ceremonial Burial, Trade -> Indian (6) -> Writing, Mapmaking, peace, maps
Mapmaking -> Spanish -> Mysticism, peace, maps
Mapmaking, Ceremonial Burial -> English -> peace, maps
-1450 2 barbarian horsemen from hut
-1400 Warrior killed by barbarians. T3L0S7
-1350 Temple
-1250 I am moderate & none wants to ally with me
-1100 Literacy
-1050 Library alliance -> Spanish -> 25g

Status at -1000
City Size: 4 Government: Monarchy Gold: 76 Techs: 12 Trade routes: 0
Structures: Temple, Library
Wonders: Marco
Units: 1 None settler
Goals: Republic
Spanish: 3 cities, 9 techs; allied with me
English: 3 cities, 7 techs;
Indian: 4 cities, 8 techs

 

[Ali Ardavan]

There were supposed to be 5 civs in this game. But I had no blue rival, and from the log it seems that neither did Major. Major could you please confirm? Anyone else seeing a blue rival?

 

[Major Advantage]

Major could you please confirm?

Yep, only three rivals, English, Spanish and Indians are in.

Anyone else seeing a blue rival?

Anyone else playing at all? It's been a long time since the game was posted.

 

[Inkerman]

I played to 500BC several weeks ago and have since been away from the game. I think "played" is the right word - too much just trying things and not enough proper planning.

4000- Found Washington. Other settler E. Start CB.
3950- Settler E. Seed is 23 as no hut found. Spanish in.
3900- Found New York at the 4-special (78,24). English, Indians are in.
3850-
3800- Discover CB -> Monarchy.
3750-
3700-
3650-
3600-
3550-
3500-

3450- OEDO year. Discover Monarchy -> MM. Become Monarchy.
3400-
3350- Both cities become size 2. Have built no units so far - but rushed a couple of shields.
3300-
3250- Washington builds settlers - go E. Still don't know 5th civ.
3200- New York builds settlers - uncover fish.
3150- Choose not to settle this turn.
3100- Found Boston (79,29). New York settler pops hut - nomads (although grassland.)
Nomads move to (81,25) to plant trees.
3050-
3000- Discover MM -> BW. Found Philadelphia (84,22). Washington makes warrior.
Still no sign of 5th AI civ - I'm suspecting it's not there.

2950-
2900-
2850-
2800- Hut(78,32): 50g.
2750-
2700-
2650- Discover BW -> Currency. Foresting completes.
2600- Hut (89,25): Currency.
2550- Start on Writing, Trade is not available.
2500- Settlers in Washington. Trireme in New York. Aim to settle abroad.

2450-
2400- Land #6 to north is looking very swampy - keep sailing. Philly makes settlers.
2350-
2300- Discover Writing -> Trade. Boston makes settlers. Found Atlanta (88,22).
Northern part of land #6 is forest - settlers land and will start to chop.
2250-
2200-
2150- Second foresting of silk completes.
2100-
2050-
2000- Found Chicago (79,9) on land #6.

1950- Discover Trade -> Literacy. Found San Francisco (88,34).
There is a 4-special beyond (1 under grass), but this is 2-special, and also will act as a canal city.
1900- Warrior meets Indians(4) - should have seen the "nr Bombay" but didn't. Give CB.
1850- Bombay is at (1,43).
1800- More units - (second) ship rather than settler or van is chosen for Atlanta.
Land #17 seems all grass, as settler looks for city spot. Indians no interest in swap.
1750- Give writing to Indians. Found Buffalo (74,36) on land #17.
Hut (94,42): Construction.
1700- Give Trade to Indians(4)
1650- Discover Literacy -> Mysticism
1600-
1550- Peace with Indians(4), give Construction, swap maps.
1500-

1450-
1400-
1350- Discover Mysticism -> Philosophy
Van, New York - Bombay (Indian), Hides, for 80g.
Indians(5) brag about WC.
1300-
1250-
1200- Golden Age of Philosophy in Washington -> HBR -> WC
Swap Philosophy to get WC with Indians(5). Update maps.
Found StLouis (83,29).
Indians start Colossus.
1150- Start on Polytheism.
1100-
Warning from Indians about Bangalore radius - their 4th city.
1050-
1000-

Stats
Cities: 9. Pop: 23. 2 are overseas. 28g. Monarchy. 1 foreign route.
Techs: 16.
4 settler, 8 warriors, 1 phalanx, 2 trireme, 5 vans.

 

[haleewud]

I played the game in early April. I guess I have just been to busy to comment.

I also decided to play OCC. In the long run, I didn't think the game went very well. It seemed like it took a long time.

Here are the early highlights.

-3900 Washington found on sweet spot.
-3200 Size 1 Settler
-3100 Monarchy discovered (mis-timed), REVOLUTION, Hut -> Horseman
-3050 Monarchy established.
-2700 Hut -> Map Making
-2550 Settler #2 built
-2400 both supported settlers rejoin city
-2350 size 4
-1800 Library built
-1400 Hut -> 25
-1250 Republic discovered and established, Meet Indian Settler at 4,44, Give MM, Peace, Give CB and Republic, exchange map
-800 Colossus built
-750 Barbs land north of Washingtion
-700 Temple built
-675 Barb attacks Washington and dies (OCC), Kill Barb Leader -> 50g
-650 Native uprising near Washington, Philosophy and Trade
-550 Barb horse moves onto a Silk square
-525 Barb horse moves onto plains (pillages irrigation)
-500 Barb horse dies attacking Washington, Kill Barb Leader -> 50g
-475 Size 8
-325 London builds Pyramids, Washington build MPE, Contact Spanish (4), give Republic, Peace, exchange maps, Indians (6) exchange maps
-300 Contact English (5), Give Map Making, Peace, Give Republic, exchange maps
-50 2 vans set sail towards the English

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Date / Produced / Tech achieved / Other notables
-0925 Diplomat Barbarian trireme unloads on island 12
-0900 Barbarian boat leaves before I could bribe it
-0875 Washington is size 5
-0850 Trireme
-0825 Warrior
-0800 Horseback riding from hut. Spanish -> 50g
-0775 Caravan
-0725 Republic Republic established. T4L2S4.
Legion from hut
Alphabet, Republic-> Spanish (4) -> Iron Working, Wheel, 25g
-0700 Warrior disbanded
-0675 Caravan Spanish -> 25g
-0575 Legion reaches Washington. T3L4S3
-0550 English develop Philosophy & Construction
Washington celebrates.
Iron Working, Wheel -> English (6) -> Construction, Philosophy
Construction -> Spanish -> 50g
-0525 Marketplace Washington is size 6
-0500 Washington is size 7
-0475 Caravan Washington is size 8
Barbarian trireme stops but does not unload
-0450 Construction -> Indian -> Seafaring
Spanish -> 50g
-0400 Aqueduct Washington is size 9.
Hides to Banglore for 220 (first route)
Seafaring -> Spanish -> Bridge, Poly
-0375 Caravan Math Hides to Bombay for 184 (second route)
-0350 Caravan
-0325 Caravan Spanish -> 50g
-0300 Caravan
-0175 Colossus Barbarian legion lands near Washington
Spanish -> 50g
Barbarian legion bribed for 82g & disbanded
-0125 Caravan Engineering Indians build Pyramids.
Washington is size 10.
-0075 Caravan Spanish -> 50g
Wine to Canterbury for 378 (third route)
-0050 Caravan
-0025 Caravan Medicine
+0001 Caravan Temple sold

Status at +0001
City Size: 10 Government: Republic Gold: 184 Techs: 24 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Library, Marketplace, Aqueduct
Wonders: Marco, Colossus
Units: 1 None settler, 1 legion, 1 Trireme, 1 diplomat, 6 vans
Goals: Shakespeare (in 4 turns), Sewer, celebration to size 20, Astronomy, Copernicus
Spanish: 4 cities, 20 techs; allied with me
English: 5 cities, 20 techs;
Indian: 5 cities, 16 techs; Pyramids

+0040 Hides to London for 396. Spanish -> 50g
+0060 Sanitation Sanitation -> English -> Banking
+0080 Shakespeare Washington celebrates
+0100 Washington is size 11
+0120 Washington is size 12
+0140 Sewer Washington is size 13
+0160 Washington is size 14
+0180 Washington is size 15
+0200 Washington is size 16
+0220 Harbor Washington is size 17
+0240 University Washington is size 18
+0260 Washington is size 19
+0280 Washington is size 20
+0300 University Washington is size 21 and out of food
Warrior code from hut!
+0340 Astronomy
+0400 English build Great Library
Iron Working -> Indian (6) -> Economics
+0420 Theory of Gravity
+0500 Copernicus Chemistry

Status at +0500
City Size: 21 Government: Republic Gold: 315 Techs: 32 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Library, Marketplace, Aqueduct, Sewer, University, Harbor
Wonders: Marco, Colossus, Shakespeare, Copernicus
Units: 1 None settler, 1 legion, 1 Trireme, 1 diplomat
Goals: Newton, an Engineer to help with terrain improvement, Refrigeration
Spanish: 5 cities, 23 techs; allied with me
English: 5 cities, 26 techs; Great Library
Indian: 6 cities, 26 techs; Pyramids

 

[Inkerman]

So 2 of us OCC, and 2 of us doing other things - in this case it would be good to decide what.

975- Give HBR to Indians.
950- Van, Chicago-Bombay(Indian), Hides, for 120g. More than expected - this is very unusual for me.
925- Discover Polytheism -> Monotheism. Found Detroit (91,25).
900- Van, New York - Delhi(Indian), Hides, for 112g.
Trireme backs away from pirate ship.

875-
850-
825-
800- Discover Monotheism -> Republic. New York builds temple.
775- Boston completes MPE. Yes only Spanish, English and Indians.

Spanish: (4) Cordial 5 cities, 8 techs.
Americans: () Us
English: (3) Receptive.4 cities, 7 techs.
Indians: (5) Enthusiastic, Peace. 4 cities, 12 techs.

MM and Con to English, get Pottery. Peace. Swap maps.
MM, Con and Phil to Spanish, get Wheel. Peace. Swap maps.

750-
725- Ask for tribute - get war from English.
700- New York builds Colossus. Indians change to Lighthouse.
Van, San Francisco - New York, Silver, for 54g.

675-
650-
625- Found Orleans (66,28) on land #20.
English start Pyramids.
600- Van, New York - Delhi (Indian), Hides, for 168g. Give Wheel to Indians.

575- Discover Republic -> Seafaring. New York builds marketplace.
Van, New York - Delhi (Indian), Hides (again), for 168g.
Hut island(69,27): archers.
Oops forget Mike's needs 8 x vans - started adding vans before remembered.
Indians nearly done Lighthouse.
550-
Delhi builds Lighthouse. With no warning, pirates land by defenceless Orleans.
525- Found Baltimore (74,16).
Pay 140g (half our gold - we spent it down last turn) to keep Orleans.
500- New York builds Michaelangelo Chapel. Give Republic and Pottery to Indians.

Stats.
Cities: 12. Pop: 32. 4 are overseas. 152g. Monarchy. 3 foreign, 1 domestic route.
Techs: 21.
Colossus, MPE, Mike's.
10 settler, 13 warriors, 1 phalanx, 1 archer, 4 trireme, 1 van.

Spanish: () Cordial, Peace. 5 cities, 11 techs.
Americans: () Us
English: () Hostile, War. 5 cities, 11 techs.
Indians: () Enthusiastic, Peace. 4 cities, 15 techs.

Comment:
There has been insufficient growth, but the Chapel and ships mean we can go ahead. Have I time for a spaceship, or is conquest a more realistic way to continue now, after a long break from the game and with the deadline approaching?

 

[Ali Ardavan]

I also decided to play OCC...

-3200 Size 1 Settler
-2550 Settler #2 built
-2400 both supported settlers rejoin city
-2350 size 4

I have seen this tactic every once in a while but never done it myself: producing size 1 settler(s) and joining them to your one city.

It seems to me that unless there are special circumstances limiting the choice of where to have your first citizen put to work or being in a position with nothing useful to build this tactic creates negative instead of positive value.

One way to evaluate the situation is that in a typical case where you have access to both shielded grassland and forest, the tradeoff between the two is one food for one shield. Going with this equivalence the settler is worth 40 foods and when you use it to go from size 2 (right after producing the size 1 setter) to size 3 you only gain 30 foods.

Another way to look at it is that for the cost of 40 shields, with this tactic you get to size 2 later and size 3 (and subsequent sizes as long as you are not growing via celebration) faster. You lose some production for being size 1 vs. size 2 but once you get to 3 the extra production helps you catch up but it will take a while and meanwhile you lose on the opportunity cost of things you could have made with those 40 shields.

 

[Major Advantage]

Stats.
Cities: 12. Pop: 32. 4 are overseas. 152g. Monarchy. 3 foreign, 1 domestic route.
Techs: 21.
Colossus, MPE, Mike's.
10 settler, 13 warriors, 1 phalanx, 1 archer, 4 trireme, 1 van.

Spanish: () Cordial, Peace. 5 cities, 11 techs.
Americans: () Us
English: () Hostile, War. 5 cities, 11 techs.
Indians: () Enthusiastic, Peace. 4 cities, 15 techs.

Comment:
There has been insufficient growth, but the Chapel and ships mean we can go ahead. Have I time for a spaceship, or is conquest a more realistic way to continue now, after a long break from the game and with the deadline approaching?

Well, your numbers do not look bad to me. If it helps your choice of how to go on, I was aiming for gold.

As for my own game, I have just finished and submitted.
Next part untill 1 AD:

-875 HG completed
-850 philo->Seafaring->Monotheism;
-825 Cincinnati, Dallas (11) founded
-775 Los Angeles founded
-675 Monoth.->Republic; nomads north of Spain
-625 Michelangelo completed, Kansas City founded from nomads
-600 San Diego (17) founded; 25g from hut
-550 Richmond (2) founded; 100g from hut
-525 silk(d) 120g
-500 Republic->Construct.; Las Vegas (2) founded; hides (d) 152g

Stats at -500
pop.: 840k; Cities: 20; techs: 18; gold: 419; Gov.: Mon; wonders: Marco Polo, HG, Michelangelo; TR: 0D/3F
units: 6 settler, 9 warrior, 1 Archer, 4 phalanx, 1 chariot, 4 dip, 5 boat, 3 vans
Goals: Pyramids in two turns (or rather LH?), continue expansion (there are some nice empty rivers north of London), two english cities are far north (by AT or nomads), should be easy to bribe

-450 Pyramids built
-425 Not set for republic now, maybe in 4 turns
-400 Constr.->HBR;
-375 Subvert Hastings 2*189(42 +60 for granary back), get IW from Spain
-350 Get HBR from India, revolution
-325 Become republic; get math from India to make bridge-build available next
-300 Research Bridge build.;
-275 Decide not to bribe York yet, might still serve as trading partner; set lux to 20% for some celebrations
-250 found Phoenix close to London; 150g gift from India
-225 Seattle (south of Spain), Albuquerque, Portland (both on 14) founded
-175 Minneapolis (6) founded
-150 BB->Astro; Get warrior Code from spain and gift it to the others
-100 1st delivery to spain for 200
-50 Astro->Wheel; San Jose, Roswell founded; deliveries 288
-25 Cunaxa (10) founded; 310
+1 Wheel->Engin.; 260, 124

Stats at 1 AD
pop.: 2.13M; Cities: 29; techs: 26; gold: 1344; Gov.: Rep; wonders: Marco Polo, HG, Michelangelo, Pyr; TR: 2D/8F
units: 14 settler, 6 warrior, 1 Archer, 7 phalanx, 1 chariot, 3 dip, 10 boat, 11 vans
Goals: Continue expansion, tech plan is feudalism (Sun Tzu), invention and demo (SoL), then switch to fundy and go to war

 

[Inkerman]

Well, your numbers do not look bad to me. If it helps your choice of how to go on, I was aiming for gold.

...

Stats at -500
pop.: 840k; Cities: 20; techs: 18; gold: 419; Gov.: Mon; wonders: Marco Polo, HG, Michelangelo; TR: 0D/3F
units: 6 settler, 9 warrior, 1 Archer, 4 phalanx, 1 chariot, 4 dip, 5 boat, 3 vans

20 cities to my 12 at this point: I guess mine are bigger. I was choosing between continuing to develop peacefully with a Republic establishing an SSC at New York, and switching to conquest with my monarchy's crusaders going in all directions so as take less real time to complete. I like the variation of delaying a while longer and using SoL to be fundamentalist, but I had not thought of that and I won't use it (in this game) because I read it here before thinking of it myself.

I may run short of real time, but I think it will be the peaceful path. Let's play a few more turns...

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Date / Produced / Tech achieved / Other notables

+0540 Washington is size 22 and out of food
+0560 Caravan Invention
+0620 Caravan Gunpowder
+0680 Caravan Explosives Gunpowder -> Indian -> Navigation
+0720 Engineer
+0740 Feudalism
+0780 Caravan Legion disbanded
+0800 Physics Physics -> Spanish -> Monotheism
+0820 Spanish -> 50g. Washington is size 22 again
+0840 Washington is size 23 and out of food
+0860 Newton Democracy Indians build Adam Smith.
Democracy established.
Wine to Banglore for 387
+0880 Magnetism
+0900 Galleon
+0920 Atomic Theory
+0960 Metallurgy
+1000 Steam Engine

Status at +1000
City Size: 23 Government: Democracy Gold: 871 Techs: 44 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Library, Marketplace, Aqueduct, Sewer, University, Harbor
Wonders: Marco, Colossus, Shakespeare, Copernicus, Newton
Units: 1 None settler, 1 engineer, 1 Trireme, 1 Galleon, 1 diplomat, 2 vans
Goals: Refrigeration, Railroad (in 2 turns)
Spanish: 5 cities, 29 techs; allied with me
English: 6 cities, 36 techs; Great Library
Indian: 6 cities, 34 techs; Pyramids, Adam Smith

+1020 Bank
+1040 Railroad
+1060 Barbarian legion lands next to Washington
Barbarian legion bribed for 82g.
+1080 Caravan Electricity No longer demanded dye to Toledo for 224
+1120 Refrigeration Spice to Banglore for 310
+1140 Caravan
+1160 Industrialization
+1200 Caravan Conscription
+1220 English build Leo
+1240 Corporation
+1260 Caravan Indians build Michelangelo
Trireme and Legion disbanded
+1280 Supermarket Steel Gold to Calcutta for 192.
+1300 Washington is size 24
+1320 Refining Washington is size 25
+1340 Stock Exchange Washington is size 26
English demand 50g and declare war
+1360 Freight Electronics Washington is size 27
+1380 Freight
+1400 Freight Combustion Washington is size 28
+1420 Indians deliver to Washington
+1440 Automobile First pollution appears
+1460 English build SunTzu
+1480 Superhighways Mass Production

Status at +1500
City Size: 28 Government: Democracy Gold: 1525 Techs: 56 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Library, Marketplace, Aqueduct, Sewer, University, Harbor, Bank, Supermarket, Stock Exchange, Superhighways
Wonders: Marco, Colossus, Shakespeare, Copernicus, Newton
Units: 1 None settler, 1 engineer, 1 Galleon, 1 diplomat, 6 vans
Goals: Computers, Apollo, Space race
Spanish: 6 cities, 33 techs; allied with me
English: 9 cities, 37 techs; Great Library, Leo, SunTzu; nominal war with me
Indian: 7 cities, 37 techs; Pyramids, Adam Smith, Michelangelo

+1510 Mass Transit Recycling
+1530 Chivalry Indians build Magellan
+1540 Barbarian knight lands near Washington
Barbarian knight bribed for 82
+1550 Recycling Center Nuclear Fission Knight disbanded
+1560 Freight Spanish build Oracle
+1570 Nuclear Power Washington is size 29
+1580 Freight Washington is size 30
+1590 Leadership
+1600 Factory
+1610 Tactics
+1630 Nuclear Plant Machine Tools Dye to Seville for 932
+1640 Laser
+1660 Mini
+1670 Offshore Platform
+1680 Power jumped to Mighty from Strong
+1690 Computers 50g and some techs to English -> peace
+1700 Research Lab Mobile Warfare power back to Strong
+1710 Freight Robotics Tactics -> Indian -> Pottery
Nuclear Fission -> Spanish -> Communism
+1720 Engineer disbanded
+1730 Flight Washington is size 31
+1740 Manufacturing Pl. Washington is size 32 and maxed out.
Sewer sold. T3L0S7
+1750 Amphibious Warfare Aqueduct sold

Status at +1750
City Size: 32 Government: Democracy Gold: 4207 Techs: 72 Trade routes: 3
Structures: Library, Marketplace, University, Harbor, Bank, Supermarket, Stock Exchange, Superhighways, Mass Transit, Factory, Manufacturing Plant, Nuclear Plant, Recycling Center, Research Lab, Offshore Platform
Wonders: Marco, Colossus, Shakespeare, Copernicus, Newton
Units: 1 None settler, 1 Galleon, 1 diplomat, 8 vans
Goals: Apollo, Space race
Spanish: 6 visible cities, ? techs; Oracle; allied with me
English: 12 visible cities, ? techs; Great Library, Leo, SunTzu; nominal war with me
Indian: 7 visible cities, ? techs; Pyramids, Adam Smith, Michelangelo, Magellan

 

[Inkerman]

Let's play a few more turns...

Spanish develop Iron Working and start HG.
475-
450- Found Denver (73,7) #6.
425- Found Cincinatti (83,41), Dallas (60,40) #18.
Indians develop Polytheism.
400- Discover Seafaring -> Engineering.
Van, Buffalo-NewYork, Salt, for 92g.
Land a settler on continent #2 - bang next to English chariot. We give 50g, humbly.

375-
350-
325- Hut (nr Dallas): Crusaders. Found Angeles (58,46) #2 (the English continent.)
300- Update maps with Indians.
English develop Maths, and change from Pyramids to HG.

275- Hut (nr Orleans): Crusaders.
250-
225- Found Kansas (9,33) #14.
Indians develop Banking, and start HG.
200-

175- New York Library opens. Found Diego (11,25) #13.
150- New York builds Hanging Gardens. English and Indians abandon. Spanish change to Pyramids. Found Richmond (75,41) #17. Revolution.
English start Great Wall.
125- Become Republic.
Van, New York- York(English), Hides(und), for 168g.
Spanish develop Alphabet.
100- Discover Engineering -> Invention. Many We Love the Speaker days.
New York Aqueduct opens.
Give Republic to English to get Maths, give Trade, swap maps.
Give Seafaring to Indians to get Banking, swap maps.
English change to Pyramids.
75- Cities get more population.
Van, Washington-London(English), Silver, for 340g.
Van, New York-Coventry(English), Hides. for 414g.
50- Discover Invention -> Astronomy (in retrospect, Medicine is better as Sanitation wanted.)
New York Colosseum opens.
Van, San Francisco- York (English), Silk, for 174g.
Van, Chicago-New York, Salt, for 82g.
Give Invention to Indians.
Spanish start Great Wall.
25- Give Monarchy to Indians, Invention to English. Lux down to 30% - only New York will grow.
Spanish nearly done Pyramids.
0- Discover Astronomy -> Democracy.
Give Invention to Spanish, swap maps.
Give Maths to Indians.
Van, Orleans-NewYork, Silk, for 159g. English request Writing - we say no.
Van, NewYork-Canterbury(English), Copper, for 324g.
Found Vegas (57,33) #15.

Stats compared to Major_Advantage
Cities: 20 (vs 29). Pop: 88. 1040g. Republic. 6F4D (vs 8F2D.)
Techs: 27 (vs 26).
HG, Colossus, MPE, Mike's. (vs same except Pyramids for Colossus).
5 settler, 8 warriors, 3 phalanx, 1 archer, 5 crusaders, 9 triremes, 10 vans.
(vs 14 settler, 6 warrior, 1 Archer, 7 phalanx, 1 chariot, 3 dip, 10 boat, 11 vans.)

Spanish: (3) Enthusiastic, Peace, 6 cities, 14 techs.
Americans: () Us
English: (4) Enthusiastic, Peace, 6 cities, 15 techs.
Indians: (5) Enthusiastic, Peace, 5 cities, 21 techs.

English develop Engineering.
Toledo builds Pyramids, English change to Leonardo.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

Unlike the peaceful beginning and middle of the game, the end was very eventful. Up until then my only real battle was with barbarians. Indians got very belligerent near the end and started attacking me big time. First they were trying to sneak in and steal a tech. I blocked them every which I could and succeeded for a number of turns. Eventually they managed to sneak in and steal. I decided to keep the peace as I was building my space ship...

+1752 Battleship English build Suffrage
+1754 Marine Radio
+1758 Advanced Flight Dye to Valencia for 696
+1760 Rocketry English build Darwin; Spanish Eiffel
+1764 Espionage Undemanded cloth to Nottingham for 360. Undemanded Oil to Valencia for 348
+1766 Space Flight Indians build UN
+1768 Apollo
+1770 SS Structural Environmentalism
+1772 SS Structural Indian diplomat expelled
+1774 SS Structural Plastics
+1776 SS Structural
+1778 SS Structural Genetic Engineering
+1780 SS Structural 100g from polar hut
+1782 SS Structural Superconductor Indians deliver to Washington. Indian diplomat expelled
+1784 SS Structural 2 Indian diplomats expelled
+1786 SS Structural Fusion Power
+1788 SS Structural Indian diplomat expelled. 50g from polar hut
+1790 SS Structural Combined Arms
+1792 SS Structural 2 Indian diplomats expelled
+1794 SS Structural Future Tech 1 Indian diplomat expelled. None Rifleman from hut. Indians have a lot of troops on my border
+1796 SS Structural Indian diplomat expelled
+1798 SS Structural Future Tech 2 Indians bring stacked diplomats; I block. Advanced Flight -> Spanish ->Fundamentalism
+1800 SS Component Indians sneak in from another angle. Indians steal Space Flight; I keep the peace. 200g from polar hut

 

[Major Advantage]

I like the variation of delaying a while longer and using SoL to be fundamentalist, but I had not thought of that and I won't use it (in this game) because I read it here before thinking of it myself.

I had used that technique before (I think it was #139, being Carth on the mediterranean map), and I liked it. The icing on the cake is to revolt once you discover demo (regardless of oedo), then build SoL the same turn by using zoom-home.

Btw, I think my hut-luck was pretty, pretty good on this one and the AI were not causing any trouble, which definitely helped.

 

[Ali Ardavan]

As said before, unlike the peaceful beginning and middle of the game, the end was very eventful. Indians got very belligerent near the end and started attacking me big time. First they managed to steal a tech despite my efforts blocking them. I decided to keep the peace as I was building my space ship. Their diplomats kept coming though and eventually they got in and started sabotaging. This time I declared war, halted space ship production, and attended to defense. Up to this point my only defensive units were a marine and a battleship. I made the battleship in case barbarians or the English showed up near my city. (I was nominally at war with the English but in actuality never fought till the very end.) While I used the battleship to kill units in the closest Indian coastal city, the battle was a land battle and the battleship was not very useful. I immediately made more marines and stealth fighters but before they could stabilize the situation I lost several city improvements including my nuclear power plant. I put my marines up front and pulled back my vans which were acting as shields against their diplomats before. My superior technology eventually prevailed but I had quite a few casualties and went back to the space ship with insufficient vans and a drained treasury.


+1802 SS Component Stealth Indians build Statue of Liberty
+1804 Indians sabotage SS Component and Marketplace; I declare war. Marine kills 2 Indian units
+1806 Stealth Fighter Indians join the space race with 2 structural. Indians kill a van and sneak in. Indians destroy Bank and University. 5 Indian units killed
+1808 Marine Library destroyed. Stealth fighter razes size 1 Jaipur. Stealth fighter lost in attack on Kolhapur
+1810 Stealth Fighter Future Tech 3
+1812 SS Component
+1814 SS Component Stupid Indians attack my battleship with a Frigate and make it vet. 1 Indian unit killed
+1816 SS Component 4 Indian units killed
+1818 Theology Nuclear Plant destroyed. Indian Frigate sunk
+1820 SS Component Indians lose a cavalry on my None rifleman
+1822 Nuclear Plant
+1824 SS Module
+1826 SS Module Galleon disbanded
+1828 Howitzer Indians lose another cavalry on my rifleman. Battleship kills all 3 defenders of Karachi. Stealth fighter loses to Alpine in Kolhapur
+1830 Stealth Fighter Indians lose a cruiser on my vet battleship. Indian diplomat killed. Diplomat disbanded

Spoiler :

+1832 Howitzer kills 2 Kolhapur alpine & turns vet. Stealth fighter kills artillery and turns vet
+1834 SS Module 15s3c1m space ship launched. 3 Indian units killed
+1835 Library UN forces peace with Indians
+1837 University Future Tech 4
+1838 Marketplace
+1839 Bank
+1840 Spy Indian embassy; diplomat expelled
+1841 Future Tech 5 English Frigate attacks Washington and loses. Spanish declare war on English
+1842 Hanging Gardens Indians sneak attack and kill 2 units. Indian space ship has 39 structurals. Battlehship kills the only unit in Karachi. Vet Stealth fighter lost on alpine in Kolhapur
+1844 Stealth Fighter 3 Indian units killed. They now have tanks. Lost stealth fighter again on wounded alpine
+1845 Tank Lost a tank on the damn alpine. Poisoned water supply in rage and lost spy
+1846 Helicopter Indians develop Plastics. Helicopter kills artillery and turns vet
+1847 Lighthouse
+1848 Great Wall Indian diplomat killed. T0L10S0
+1849 space ship arrives

 

[Inkerman]

20- New York Bank opens.
Give Engineering to Indians.
40- New York reaches size 12, and pauses, lux down to 20%.
Found Phoenix (49,23) 2 - see English chariot nearby: give Writing to English.
60- Discover Democracy -> University. Revolution. Some civil disorder. Become Democracy. English withdraw when asked.
Van, Baltimore-Delhi(Indian), Silver, for 275g.
Indians start Leonardo.
80- Van, Philadelphia-Delhi(Indian), Hides, for 76g.
Van, Washington-Delhi(Indian), Hides, for 102g.
100- Discover University -> Medicine.
New York builds Copernicus.
Give University, Astronomy and Masonry to Indians, and update maps.

120- New York builds University.
Give Literacy to Indians.
Van, Denver-NewYork, Silk, for 201g.
140- Discover Medicine -> Sanitation.
Give Maths to Spanish.
English develop Banking.
160- Discover Sanitation -> Navigation
Van, Angeles-Salamanca(Spanish), Beads, for 56g.
180- Van, Dallas-Cordoba(Spanish), Silver, for 130g.
Spanish change to Leonardo.
200- Discover Navigation > Theory of Gravity.
New York sewers open.
Spanish develop Bridge Building.

220- Van, Denver-NewYork, Salt, for 146g.
Van, Orleans-Madrid(Spanish), Dye, for 168g.
Indians develop Iron Working.
Indians deliver Coal to Washington.
240- Discover ToG -> Chemistry.
Give Navigation to English.
Give Navigation and Republic to Spanish to get Bridge Building.
Give Navigation to Indians to get Iron Working.
260- New York harbour opens. Barb leader - 50g.
Van, Cincinatti-Canterbury(English), Silk, for 270g.
280- Discover Chemistry -> Economics.
Van, Atlanta-Nottingham(English), Beads, for 216g.
Van, Chicago-Dallas, Silk, for 180g.
300- Discover Economics -> Physics.
Give Bridge Building to Indians.

320- Van, New York - York(English), Dye, for 400g.
340- St Louis completes Magellan Expedition.
Discover Physics -> Gunpowder.
Found Seattle (80,36) #17.
Van, Angeles-Washington, Dye, for 98g.
Van, StLouis-Angeles, Gold, for 126g.
Van, NewYork-Toledo(Spanish), Wine(und), for 288g.
English are nearly done on Leonardo - that's going to need us to spend some serious money.
360- Spend 756g to complete wonder.
Spanish develop Astronomy.
380- Boston completes Leonardo's Workshop. Triremes -> Caravels. All change with AI.
New York reaches size 22 and stops growing.
English develop Democracy.
London completes KRC, other city changes to SoL.
Delhi builds Great Library.
400- New York Stock Exchange opens.

420- Discover Gunpowder > Metallurgy. Warriors, Phalanxes, Archers -> Musketeers.
Van, Chicago-Valencia(Spanish), Beads, for 200g.
Found Albuquerque (66,20) #11.
440- Have a bit of general pop growth...
460- Discover Metallurgy -> Explosives.
New York builds Isaac Newton College.
Give Physics, Metallurgy, Sanitation to Indians.
Give Iron Working to English.
Spanish develop Gunpowder, Indians get it from GL.
480- Give Democracy to Indians.
Madrid builds Oracle.
500- Discover Explosives -> Feudalism. Settlers -> Engineers.
Van, Vegas-New York, Copper, for 212g.
Van, Atlanta-NewYork, Silk, for 156g.
Give Chemistry and Economics to Indians.

Stats
Cities: 23. Pop: 161. 1549g. Democracy.
Techs: 41.
HG, Colossus, MPE, Mike's, Copernicus, Magellan, Leonardo, Newton.
14 engineer, 13 musketeer, 6 crusaders, 9 caravels, 17 vans.

Spanish: (3) Enthusiastic, Peace, 8 cities, 20 techs.
Americans: () Us
English: (4) Enthusiastic, Peace, 6 cities, 21 techs.
Indians: (5) Enthusiastic, Peace, 5 cities, 36 techs.

Indians start SoL.

 

[Inkerman]

I have continued to a spaceship ending. Still a few turns to go and I expect to finish (with a spotless reputation) and submit on deadline day.

 

[Inkerman]

Just in before the deadline, with a spotless reputation, as planned.

I went for a medium spaceship.

1000AD Stats.
Cities: 30. Pop: 1x23; 1x18; 12x12/11; 9x8/7/6; 7x2/1.
294g. Democracy.
Techs: 61.
HG, Colossus, MPE, Mike's, Copernicus, Magellan, Shakespeare, Leonardo, Bach, Newton, Smith, Darwin.
14 engineer, 13 musketeer, 6 crusaders, 9 caravels, 17 vans.

By 1500 the spaceship construction was underway and the 29m population was in 41 cities.