Has anyone beat this on sid?

jonny41177

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What victory and how long did it take? Which civ is best to use on this difficulty? I never have a chance because i am bombarded from both sides with SoD plus the AI gets so far ahead in techs it's not very fun. Is it possible to win any other way but domination? I wouldn't imagine you could survive being the weakest with all teaming up on you but i wouldn't say it's impossible.
 
Never. I wouldn't know. Youre right it's no fun. I've been playing 9 years and I'm on Emporer level and and I still lose too often to move up to the next level. The most annoying thing with the AI tech is their trading it among themselves. If you're determined to play on Sid, try standard map with continents and only one other AI first. If and after you win that one, then play the same style map with two AI. When you win that one, then move up to three AI, and so on.
 
My mistake use a small or tiny map not standard the idea is the AI civ gets its continent and you get yours. They won't have other AI to trade tech with and they won't be breathing down your neck either. So it'll be just you against barbarians for a while to start. If you play this on tiny then chage to small when you add the second AI.
 
Yes, and yes to the first and last questions. See the Hall of Fame, as well as the map gallery in the game of the month sub-tab of the Civ3 tab above on the screen you view right now for example saves. 80% archipelago can make things easier. You might find this, and that, there, and my current game thread interesting also.
 
What victory and how long did it take? Which civ is best to use on this difficulty? I never have a chance because i am bombarded from both sides with SoD plus the AI gets so far ahead in techs it's not very fun. Is it possible to win any other way but domination? I wouldn't imagine you could survive being the weakest with all teaming up on you but i wouldn't say it's impossible.

I am not sure it is what I would call fun, but you I do get some satisfaction being way behind and then killing them all. Of course you do not have to get way behind, but I prefer being beligerent.

I imagine you could win any VC you want, I like conquest or domination.

Lots of ways to deal with their numbers. You can provide them a place to send lots of units to die on your defense. You can corral them with armies and let them go poof, when you take their last town. You can use nukes to thin them out, but I only done that once or twice.

I use to prefer Iroq, but of late I prefer the French. Have used many others, like China, Mayan, Byz and others.

Easiest IMO is to play an island map as Byz.

The thing is you have to be ready for a lot of effort as they have more of everything.
 
What victory and how long did it take? Which civ is best to use on this difficulty? I never have a chance because i am bombarded from both sides with SoD plus the AI gets so far ahead in techs it's not very fun. Is it possible to win any other way but domination? I wouldn't imagine you could survive being the weakest with all teaming up on you but i wouldn't say it's impossible.

I've won once against the sid ai, civ of choice should be entirely dependent of which type of map you are playing and what strategy you intend to pursue.
My game was a archipelago 60% warm, wet 5billion I believe and I was playing netherlands (mostly to secure the ai not playing as them and glb rush, which i achieved)
My victory was quite reliant on rng, I had a pre 2500 bc war with lincoln, the only ai on my island, in which i captured his two settlers (guarded by a warrior each) while evading his sod of warriorz. Because I captured so much, I was "winning" so a peace treaty could easily be signed.

Managed to then block him off so that I got a fair chunk of land to develop.
The inevitable redeclaration came shortly before I got swiss, so had a tough war which I eventually turned by blocking him off all contact with the rest of world by continuously making each of them my war allies instead of his.

I got ahold of the entire island and were started to get a grip of the world situation.
The germans were starting to cascade away, knocking the japans out of the game and the mongols of the continent. After glb went obsolete I kept in tech parity by stealing every tech, enduring war declarations by defending, even the sid ai sucks at naval warfare, researching nothing, except for another TOE gambit, which gave me hoovers dam.

Left without oil, i had to invade the backward arabians living on a tundra island, which was still problematic because of their ~300 ansars and longbows.
Then I turned to face germany, after getting espionage, denying them any allies like i did with lincoln. After many, many turns of besieging Karakorum the city fell and I had a landpoint on his continent. After taking another couple cities I signed peace treaty, took open borders and fortified a mech army on his only source of oil (the aztecs managed to take his other source on a remote island).
Now I could fight him with superior troops and total air superiority, slowly but safely taking away germany from the map.
Bismarck was the only ai to reach the modern ages, so the rest was a race against time, conquering all other civs with like 18 turns left.

Honestly, after winning that I have a hard time sitting down and starting up another sid game, takes so much time to get going and so many units to vanquish. Maybe I should start playing with other victory options.

So in short, my tips are
Block off and grab as much land as possible
Try to 10% research a expensive tech available (typically writing) and try to monopolize it, gaining many needed techs for survival and infrastructure
Keep up in tech by trading til one ai races away (usually happens by IA)
Artillery units, lots of them
If you can, fight the strongest ai, by allying everybody against him
A modern army cant run without oil, deny them that at all costs.

Oh I just remembered, I've won another game on sid, but that was elimination, playing as the vikings on continents, staying in aa the entire game, also playing occ. Sending a single sod of archers to each neighboring civs, exploring the entire continent, then waiting out till the surviving ai on the other continent settles a city, and pray you can destroy it against rifles.
Still, that was with elimination.

Good luck!
 
As posted above, its very possible. Bamspeedy actually used the editor to make the game even more difficult than Sid, and beat it. Read up on some of the epic games. "Cancel operation Big Granary" still my favorite quote!

In my experience, the biggest difference between lower level games and higher level is artillery. If I build artillery at lower levels, it is mostly for fun. At higher levels, artillery is a must - players have likely won without it, but I haven't.

Another major difference is trade. At lower levels, I only trade if I really want something, usually maps. At higher levels, making deals is very, very important.

I don't usually play on islands because its too annoying, but it can make Sid much easier. I will restart often if I don't get two or three resources near my starting city. And if I don't start near hills, on grass.

A Sid win is very satisfying, but after a series, the games start to become too similar. On Sid, you can't make choices. You MUST be completely efficient each turn. I like taking actions that are fun, such as sending an army off on a crusade, or granting land to a weaker ally. So now I play emperor or lower.

Of course, now that I've read this post, I have to play a Sid game. Dmn it.
 
How do you supress the cities the keep staying in civil disorder? That is my main problem even with luxuries they still do it even at size 6 with colliseum, cathedral, and i don't even try to get wonders because i know i won't get them and i could use those sheilds for military units. I prefer to use china for domination or conquest or germany, rome, aztecs. My last game was on deity which i was like 7 or 8 techs behind on the 1 big land mass 80%, 5 billion, warm and i actually just destroyed everyone soon as i got tanks/bombers/artillery i was at war all game and had allied with netherlands who i turned against after i knocked off all the other civs to just 1 little city then once i got modern armor i just upgraded my 300 or so tanks and just destroyed all the other cities that were over 6 because the 1 thing i really hate is a size 9 city quelled with 20 MA to depose over it is soo annoying and dumb. On sid i can't really set up a good empire due to the disorder and i can't play my regular map the 1 big land on it. I don't like continents or archipelo because i don't like wasting my gold on navy units when i could use on defenders or offense.
 
Oh and with nukes i never build them or use them unless i need to because of the retalliation from all other civs which goes without saying would doom my game because integrated defense is the last tech i ever research if the game ever last that long it's usually over before mid- modern era.
 
Oh and with nukes i never build them or use them unless i need to because of the retalliation from all other civs which goes without saying would doom my game because integrated defense is the last tech i ever research if the game ever last that long it's usually over before mid- modern era.

It is rare to use them in my Sid games. When I have used them, it was down to one or two civs left and I just used them to speed the game. No concerns about retalliation at the point.
 
How do you supress the cities the keep staying in civil disorder? That is my main problem even with luxuries they still do it even at size 6 with colliseum, cathedral, and i don't even try to get wonders because i know i won't get them and i could use those sheilds for military units. I prefer to use china for domination or conquest or germany, rome, aztecs. My last game was on deity which i was like 7 or 8 techs behind on the 1 big land mass 80%, 5 billion, warm and i actually just destroyed everyone soon as i got tanks/bombers/artillery i was at war all game and had allied with netherlands who i turned against after i knocked off all the other civs to just 1 little city then once i got modern armor i just upgraded my 300 or so tanks and just destroyed all the other cities that were over 6 because the 1 thing i really hate is a size 9 city quelled with 20 MA to depose over it is soo annoying and dumb. On sid i can't really set up a good empire due to the disorder and i can't play my regular map the 1 big land on it. I don't like continents or archipelo because i don't like wasting my gold on navy units when i could use on defenders or offense.

Pan maps are very hard to play on Sid. Peaceful is the way I think pan Sid maps are best played, at least for most of the game.

I do not build colo/cath in my games, very very rare to putup either. That goes for all levels for me. The best thing is not to capture that many town, until that civ is gettign close to being eliminated.

Std fare for those captured and held is to put all to jokers, mybe a few scientist, and starve down to size 1 or only 1 native. I do not try to hold towns, till they have been gassed.

That way I do not have to worry so much about flips as their towns will start falling quickly.
 
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