Help For "Red Dawn" Style Scenario

[BrianL03]

I'm gonna make a 1961 invasion of the United States scenario in Civ2. Cubans land in Miami, Soviets land in NYC, Wash, Seattle. I'm considering giving a cruddy explanation on how the Sovs get into NYC and Wash by that the tanks and stuff are in "refugee ships" fleeing from Eastern Europe and the USSR. Changing all the Wonders into N. America style ones. Human player will get to use the US, Canada, and Mexico, as all are being invaded (Sovs move north from New England to hit the remaining Atlantic escape route for America, Mex cuz of the Cubans). There'll be no nukes available, either, just because I don't want to deal with nuclear combat and whatnot, especially over American soil (Gov't doesn't want to use it against its own people, Soviets want to capture all that they can?) Whatever. It's not exactly going to be too realistic, but kind of close.

Basic units I'm gonna give the North Americans:

Militia (civilians wit guns. Cheap to build)
National Guard (Upgraded Milita. More exspensive.)
GIs (Ultimate ground infantry whoop-arsers.)

Regardless, it's just a "fantasy" scenario. Oh, and as to the government being wiped out, I have a few special wonders that have to deal directly with that issue (namely the happy wonders... Cure for Cancer becomes Relocated Government).

Anyone got any good ideas for the following wonders in Civ2? I may make some not have any benefits, they'll only be there for show, but I need help. Especially for some Canadian monuments that would have existed in 1961. I don't have any Wonders yet that exist in Canada. Or Mexico, either.

Sun Tzu's War Academy
Eiffel Tower
Magellan's Expedition
The Lighthouse
Women's Suffrage
Oracle
Leonardo's Workshop
Great Library
Marco Polo's
United Nations


Other help I need is what kinds of tanks and vehicles were in use then? And where, perhaps, were US troops deployed in North America (Can, USA, Mex)? Any help would be really cool. Maybe even maps of the road systems then. Various tips for me. Anything that could make this an ultimate scenario.

 

[BrianL03]

Would someone please assist me in this scenario?

 

[duke o' york]

Sun Tzu - West Point maybe?
Eiffel Tower - Golden Gate Bridge (give to Mexicans though)
Magellan's - Maritime Shipyards (St John, New Brunswick)
Lighthouse - Curacao Drydock (Havana shipyard)
Women's Suffrage - Same name - women granted vote in Canada in 1918, before any of the other countries.
Oracle - Hollywood? (If you change temples to cinemas). Otherwise the Liberty Bell.
Leo's - Not sure that this is a good option for Leo's but you should have the Alaska pipeline as a wonder. You'd need oil to upgrade, so maybe this...
Great Library - Library of Congress (Washington)
Marco's - just get rid of it.
UN - erm, UN in New York.

I'd want wonders in Texas and Chicago though, just to make the spread even. As it is, the wonders will be clustered in the north-east corner around DC & NYC.

 

[Case]

Originally posted by duke o' york
Women's Suffrage - Same name - women granted vote in Canada in 1918, before any of the other countries.

Except for New Zealand (late 1800's) and Australia (1901)

(yet another area where Australasia leads North America )

 

[duke o' york]

I meant playable civs, rather than worldwide. Apparently, women were allowed to stand for election from 1788 in the US, but were not allowed to vote for themselves. Weird.

 

[BrianL03]

Okay, about the wonder ideas, I'll probably take the Golden Gate Bridge idea, but here's the catch.

I want the human player to suffer some sudden unhappiness following the invasion and capture of the East Coast (which'll include eastern Canada), but I want them to be able to create things that'll recover quickly, or have the wonders located in the West, which'll basically be where the North Americans are fighting the defense from.

I like the idea of Hollywood being the Oracle, but that'd then mean I'd need something else for Michaelangelo's.

Great Library'd definitely be an empty wonder, that is, one without any benefits (it'd be obsolete already).

Maybe Marco's could be United Nations instead, and the UN wonder being something else, located in the West.

 

[gerryandersson]

The UN could be Area 51.

 

[Richard III]

It would be alot easier if you made it later, say, when Red Dawn actually was set, in the mid-to-late 1980s. Be sure to include lots of Sovcom paratroopers and airlift capacity to get that cool "Afghan Autumn" feel! And I would also allow five or so nukes to the sovs for their initial attack, but don't let them build more. Red Dawn did feature a few nuke strikes "at key communication centres;" "like where?" "Like Omaha, Washington..."

I would make Leo's the Texas oilfields for the reason stated: it puts one in Texas. But also note that there was no serious Alaska oil exploitation in 1961.

 

[BrianL03]

Ok, here was my list of wonders I was definitely going to do:

Pyramids- American Heartland (Lincoln, NE)
Hanging Gardens- The Liberty Bell (Philly)
The Collosus- New York Stock Exchange (duh, NYC)
Great Wall- Operation Hedgehog (a wonder to be built)
King Rich's- Texan Oil Fields (Dallas/Ft. Worth)
Copernicus- Harvard and MIT (Boston)
JS Bach- Mount Rushmore (Pierre, SD ish)
Adam Smith's- Civilian War Bonds (another to be built)
Newton's- Stanford and Berkely (San Fran)
Shakespeare's- The Strip (Las Vegas)
Darwin's- International Aid (to be built)
SETI- National War Sciences Board (to be built)
Cure For Cancer- Relocated Government (to be built)
Manhattan- Same (Santa Fe) OBSOLETE
Apollo- Sputnik (Moscow)
Statue of Liberty- Same (NYC) OBSOLETE
Hoover Dam- Same (Las Vegas)

 

[BrianL03]

Also, I just don't want to deal with nuclear weapons that much. Maybe giving only a limited number to either side would be okay, that way the US could do a "it's our only hope" scenario (like Houston in Independence Day)

 

[Simon Darkshade]

In terms of where the US military units were placed/based, www.military.com has got a section which shows the location of US military bases, and who is based there.

There is the "boneyard": storage for old aircraft in Nevada(?) desert, and there are a lot of tanks and Bradleys at Fort Hood, Texas.

 

[The Art of War]

There is also the National Training Center in that desert in Nevada, although I don't know if that had been built until the late 80's.

 

[Serutan]

The boneyard (the Air Force doesn't really like that
designation) is in Tucson, AZ.

Wilkey

 

[nico65]

You migth want to think the story through again. Moving an invasionforce isn´t really all that easy (D-Day required 5000 seagoing transports) Maybe some terrorist attacks or something could spice things up a bit. You properbly also want to include a lot of soviet nukes. Oppose to what we think of the bomb the ruskies mearly considered it as heavy artillery (they planed to use roughly 800 in an invasion of western europe).

Also you should be aware that the russians back in the sixties were having major problems with the chinese, and several border insidents brougth them to the brink of war, and there was a strong revacism in Germany. In that situation it wouldn´t have been very smart if Moscow had send the army away on some far fetched operation. In the ligth of this you migth want to choose a nother time for the invasion.

 

[BrianL03]

Well... it's not supposed to be entirely realistic. I want it realistic in terms of technology. I.E, no development of superlasers or stuff like that. Think Red Alert 2, only not so fantastic in terms of the units they were using (There are definitely not going to be mutant squids attacking US vessels )

 

[Tracid00]

Why not just MAKE it realistic?
I mean, creating an alternate history form, say, second world war to 1961 isn´t all that much.
If you want me to, I´ll give it a shot.

Sincerly,

 

[DarthVeda]

agggghhhhh Red Dawn is the worst movie ever!

 

[SunTzu]

red dawn is a good movie but too unrealistic.
The cubans making a successful invasion of the US?
The russians being able to invade the US? we'd pick them up over the Pacific/Atlantic....
but other than that good movie indeed!

 

[BrianL03]

Yeah, I know it's unrealistic... but after playing the Aussie WW2 scenario, I want to make a US invasion scenario as well. If someone else wants to do it, instead, then that's cool, too.

 

[duke o' york]

The impression I had was that the playable map was only going to be the North American continent and the Caribbean Sea. How on earth are you planning to have the Apollo wonder in Moscow then? This would ruin the scale of the map completely and make a conquest of the US a formality, being only a few squares wide as it would be. Well, by few I don't mean it'd be an isthmus or anything, but you'd lose the fun of trying to get troops across the great plains where they could be picked off by enemy aircraft. I hope that you're going to have the Panama canal included - that could be a very important point for all sides. Maybe make it a wonder for the Mexicans....