Help with Minor Civ list

[Gyra Solune]

So basically, I've been amassing a list of Minor Civs, which would pretty much be expanded City-States. I've gone on about expanding them before, and so forth, but let's not get into this now. The point is, I intend for there to be a lot, 90 in total, and right now have...well, half that. Each one should have 8 cities, as I deem that a reasonable span end-game for them to be possible to found independently.

In this prospective list, I have 9 CS types- the first five that exist now; Cultured, Maritime, Mercantile, Militaristic, and Religious, alongside four new types; Diplomatic, Financial, Industrial, and Scientific. Currently I do not have types assigned for any, as I want to redo them from scratch, and would like community insight as to what would fit for each.

Without further ado, the list:

Spoiler :

1. Afghanistan – Kabul, Kandahar, Herat, Mazar-i-Sharif, Kunduz, Taloqan, Jalalabad, Puli Khumri
2. Arab Emirates – Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Sharjah, Ajman, Ras al-Khaimah, Fujairah, Umm al-Quwain, Al Ain
3. Armenia – Yerevan, Gyumri, Vanadzor, Vagharshapat, Hrazdan, Abovyan, Kapan, Armavir
4. Azerbaijan – Baku, Ganja, Sumqayit, Mingachevir, Khirdalan, Shirvan, Shaki, Yevlakh
5. Bangladesh – Dhaka, Chittagong, Khulna, Barisal, Sylhet, Comilla, Rangpur, Rajshahi
6. Belarus – Minsk, Barysaw, Salihorsk, Maladzyechna, Zhodzina, Slutsk, Vilyeyka, Dzyarzhynsk
7. Belgium – Brussels, Antwerp, Liege, Ghent, Charleroi, Bruges, Namur, Leuven
8. Bohemia – Prague, Brno, Ostrava, Plzen, Liberec, Olomouc, Usti nad Labem, Pardubice
9. Bulgaria – Sofia, Plovdiv, Varna, Burgas, Ruse, Stara Zagora, Pleven, Silven
10. Burma – Yangon, Mandalay, Naypyidaw, Mawlamyaing, Bago, Pathein, Pyay, Monywa
11. Colombia – Bogota, Medellin, Cali, Barranquilla, Cucuta, Bucaramanga, Ibague, Pereira
12. Croatia – Zagreb, Ragusa, Split, Rijeka, Osijek, Zadar, Slavonski Brod, Karlovac
13. Cuba – Havana, Santiago de Cuba, Camaguey, Holguin, Santa Clara, Guantanamo, Bayamo, Las Tunas
14. Estonia – Tallinn, Tartu, Narva, Parnu, Kohtla-Jarve, Viljandi, Rakvere, Maardu
15. Finland – Helsinki, Tampere, Oulu, Turku, Jyvaskyla, Kuopio, Lahti, Pori
16. Iran – Tehran, Mashhad, Esfahan, Tabriz, Karaj, Shiraz, Ahvaz, Qom
17. Israel – Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Haifa, Petah Tikva, Ashdod, Beersheba, Netanya, Rehovot
18. Ivory Coast – Abidjan, Abobo, Bouake, Daloa, San-Pedro, Yamoussoukro, Korhogo, Man
19. Jordan – Amman, Az Zarqa, Irbid, Al Karak, ar-Ramtha, Jerash, Sakib, Aqaba
20. Kazakhstan – Almaty, Astana, Shymkent, Karagandy, Taraz, Pavlodar, Oskemen, Semey
21. Kenya – Nairobi, Mombasa, Kisumu, Nakuru, Eldoret, Machakos, Nyeri, Vihiga
22. Latvia – Riga, Daugavplis, Liepaja, Jelgava, Jurmala, Ventsplis, Rezekne, Valmiera
23. Lithuania – Vilnius, Kaunas, Klaipeda, Siauliai, Panevezys, Alytus, Marijampole, Mazeikiai
24. Luxembourg – Luxembourg City, Esch-zur-Alzette, Diekirch, Wiltz, Echternach, Grevenmacher, Remich, Vianden
25. Madagascar – Antananarivo, Toamasina, Antsirabe, Fianarantsoa, Mahajanga, Toliara, Antsiranana, Antanifotsy
26. Nepal – Kathmandu, Pokhara, Lalitpur, Biratnagar, Bharatpur, Birganj, Butwal, Dharan
27. New Zealand – Wellington, Auckland, Christchurch, Hamilton City, Napier-Hastings, Tauranga, Dunedin, Palmerston North
28. Nigeria – Lagos, Abuja, Kano, Ibadan, Port Harcourt, Kaduna, Benin City, Zaria
29. Pakistan – Karachi, Lahore, Islamabad, Peshawar, Quetta, Faisalabad, Rawalpindi, Multan
30. Panama – Panama City, David, Colon, Santiago de Veraguas, Chitre, Changuinola, Penonome, Las Tablas
31. Philippines – Manila, Davao, Cebu, Zamboanga, Cagayan de Oro, Angeles, Iloilo, Naga
32. Phoenicia – Tyre, Byblos, Sidon, Cyrene, Simyra, Arwad, Berytus, Acre
33. Romania – Bucharest, Cluj-Napoca, Timisoara, Iasi, Constanta, Craiova, Brasov, Galati
34. Serbia – Belgrade, Novi Sad, Nis, Kragujevac, Subotica, Zrenjanin, Pancevo, Cacak
35. Slovakia – Bratislava, Kosice, Presov, Zilina, Nitra, Banska Bystrica, Trnava, Martin
36. Somalia – Mogadishu, Hargeisa, Bosaso, Galkacyo, Berbera, Merca, Jamame, Kismayo
37. South Africa – Pretoria, Cape Town, Bloemfontein, Johannesburg, Port Elizabeth, Durban, Nelspruit, Rustenburg
38. Sri Lanka – Colombo, Negombo, Kandy, Kalmunai, Vavuniya, Galle, Trincomalee, Batticaloa
39. Sudan – Khartoum, Omdurman, Port Sudan, Kassala, El Obeid, Gedaref, Kosti, Wad Medani
40. Switzerland – Bern, Geneva, Zurich, Basel, Lausanne, Lucerne, Winterthur, St. Gallen
41. Tanzania – Dar es Salaam, Zanzibar, Dodoma, Mwanza, Arusha, Mbeya, Morogoro, Tanga
42. Tibet – Lhasa, Xining, Xigaze, Zetang, Bayi, Chamdo, Nagqu, Gyangze
43. Ukraine – Kiev, Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, Odesa, Donetsk, Zaporizhia, Lviv, Kryvyi Rih
44. Uzbekistan - Tashkent, Samarkand, Namanqan, Andijan, Bukhara, Nukus, Qarshi, Kokand
45. Yoruba – Ife, Oyo, Illa, Ado Ekiti, Owo, Ijebu, Abeokuta, Ketou

As you can see, the majority of these are modern nations in the world today, and I would greatly appreciate suggestions leaning towards...not those. Notable medieval kingdoms or ancient empires or whatnot would be much nicer. I would also emphasize trying to reduce overlap with existing civilizations or minor civs, so they can be pretty cleanly distinct from those, and indeed, I intend to rewrite the existing civilization city list to tidy it up some.

In addition to these, I do have a subset of these that would remain City-States and not expand beyond their territory:

Spoiler :

Florence – Florence – Cultured
Monaco – Monaco – Cultured
Milan – Milan – Cultured

Ormus – Ormus – Maritime
Djibouti – Djibouti – Maritime
Puerto Rico - San Juan – Maritime

Genoa – Genoa – Mercantile
Singapore – Singapore – Mercantile

Andorra – Andorra la Vella – Militaristic
Malta – Valletta – Militaristic

Olmecs – La Venta – Religious
Wittenberg – Wittenberg – Religious
Vatican City – Vatican City - Religious

Hong Kong – Hong Kong – Financial
Jamaica – Kingston – Financial
San Marino – San Marino – Financial

Mississippi – Cahokia – Scientific
Bologna – Bologna – Scientific

Kuwait – Kuwait City – Diplomatic
Tuva – Kyzyl – Diplomatic
Liechtenstein – Vaduz - Diplomatic

These are very open to change, and I have considered making some into full Minor Civs, most notably possibly merging all the Italian ones into an Italy MC, but I don't know how to deal with the capital - make it independently named Roma? That just seems a bit silly, but we do have Istanbul/Constantinople as a precedent for that. But things like Hong Kong and Singapore that really are city-states, and the likes of Djibouti and Kyzyl that don't have much to expand upon (Kyzyl is still a really odd choice for a city-state). I don't have an idea for how many these should be, but I do definitely want them to exist, especially with the proposed mechanics where these would pop up with greater frequency as the game progressed and uninhabited space is tightest to where expansion is least possible.

And on a last note, do not suggest these: the Hittites, Holy Roman Empire, Khmer, Mali, Sioux, Sumer, Argentina, Australia, Canada, Mexico, Chile, Georgia, the Gokturks, Hungary, Kongo, the Mughals, Norway, or Vietnam. This is kind of a "proposed expansion" kind of idea and what I have in mind accounts for all of those being civs (the first 10 being DLC packs, latter 9 coming with expansion itself).

Thank you for your contribution in advance!

 

[mitsho]

Florence or Milan would fit as the capital for Italy if you want to go there.

As for suggestions, Palmyra as a single or multiple city Minor Civ. It's a shame it isn't one yet. What you do seem to lack which you can easily get another few are Native American Nations in general, stuff like Haida, Inuit, Cree, Cherokee, Sioux down to Hopi, Mapuche and Muisca. Then there are civs from the Indian subcontinent like Chola, Maurya or the Moghuls. You can also do Germanic tribes like the Goths, the Vandals or split away Scotland. I guess it's the best if you just take a look at the proposed civ thread and knock yourself out

 

[Viregel]

Haiti?

You could have: Port-au-Prince, Gonaives, Les Cayes, Jacmel, Jeremie, Port-de-Paix, Cap-Haitien, and Hinche. And no, I don't know what the French means.

 

[DudewiththeFood]

Haiti would be a good one.

Hungary (surprised it's not already there) - Budapest, Debrecen, Miskolc, Szeged, Gyor
Akkad - Akkad, Mari, Nuzi, Sippar, Azupiranu, Tell Brak, Tell Leilan
Sumeria - Ur, Uruk, Kish, Kuara, Lagash, Eridu, Zabala, Harbidum
Aksum - Aksum, Adulis, Matara, Mendefera, Qohaito, Zula

"Source"

 

[Viregel]

Haiti would be a good one.

Hungary (surprised it's not already there) - Budapest, Debrecen, Miskolc, Szeged, Gyor
Akkad - Akkad, Mari, Nuzi, Sippar, Azupiranu, Tell Brak, Tell Leilan
Sumeria - Ur, Uruk, Kish, Kuara, Lagash, Eridu, Zabala, Harbidum
Aksum - Aksum, Adulis, Matara, Mendefera, Qohaito, Zula

"Source"

Hungary wasn't meant to be included, for reasons above. The other cities look good, though.

I've managed to get some more as well:

Uganda: Kampala, Entebbe, Jinja, Arua, Mbale, Masindi, Lira, Gulu.
Normandy: Rouen, Caen, Le Havre, Cherbourg, Bayeux, Evreux, Dieppe, Fecamp.
Armenia: Vagharshapat, Armavir, Artashat, Dvin, Tigranakert, Yervandashat, Yerevan, Gyumri.

I was going to do Dál Riata, but I couldn't find sufficient information. Hopefully these are good enough.

Edit: Never realized that Armenia was there. So much for that.

 

[Xandinho]

It would be interesting to add:


Venezuela - Caracas, Maracaibo, Maracay, Valencia, Barquisimeto, Ciudad Guayana, Barcelona Venezuela, Maturín

Angola - Luanda, Huambo, Lobito, Benguela, Lucapa, Kuito, Lubango, Malanje

Peru - Lima, Arequipa, Trujillo Peru, Chiclayo, Piura, Iquitos, Cusco, Huancayo

Guatemala - Guatemala City, Mixco, Villa Nueva, Petapa, San Juan Sacatepéquez, Quetzaltenango, Villa Canales, Escuintla

I think it would be better to exclude Mali, Chile, Georgia, Mughals and Norway, and add Belgium, Olmecs, Goths, Benin Empire and Guaraní (as natives of South America).
To the capital of Italy, in my opinion the name would be: Roma Italian (can not see another city as capital of Italy), but for the inclusion of Italy, Venice civilization would have to be excluded.

 

[Guandao]

It would be interesting to add:


Venezuela - Caracas, Maracaibo, Maracay, Valencia, Barquisimeto, Ciudad Guayana, Barcelona Venezuela, Maturín

Angola - Luanda, Huambo, Lobito, Benguela, Lucapa, Kuito, Lubango, Malanje

Peru - Lima, Arequipa, Trujillo Peru, Chiclayo, Piura, Iquitos, Cusco, Huancayo

Guatemala - Guatemala City, Mixco, Villa Nueva, Petapa, San Juan Sacatepéquez, Quetzaltenango, Villa Canales, Escuintla

I think it would be better to exclude Mali, Chile, Georgia, Mughals and Norway, and add Belgium, Olmecs, Goths, Benin Empire and Guaraní (as natives of South America).
To the capital of Italy, in my opinion the name would be: Roma Italian (can not see another city as capital of Italy), but for the inclusion of Italy, Venice civilization would have to be excluded.

Why exclude Chile or Georgia? There isn't much overlap with existing civs, except for the "Tiflis" (meant to be Tbilisi) in Mongolia's list.

 

[Xandinho]

Why exclude Chile or Georgia? There isn't much overlap with existing civs, except for the "Tiflis" (meant to be Tbilisi) in Mongolia's list.

Well, on Georgia, I don't know much about the Georgia, but about the Chile, I would like to see the Chile included in civilization, but I think that it is still too early, being that Santiago de Chile is still not a city-state.

 

[phaethon16]

This probably isn't that helpful, but I think 40 or so minor civilizations is enough. Ninety separate minor civilizations seems like too much to me. I think you have a great list as it is.

 

[limluigi]

You could probably change the Philippine cities to at least the 900 AD and later ones. Although this is probably a loose definition of a "civ" for the Philippines. Philippines: Tundun-Maynila(Manila)-Jolo(Sulu)-Zubu(Sugbo or Cebu or Singhapala)-Kuta Wato-Sapa-Pailah-Puliran-Binwagan-Butuan-Davao-Vigan. But if you're okay with 17th century cities and onwards your list works too.

 

[Camikaze]

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