Hollywood??? As a Great Wonder???

I agree with MRM that Rock & Roll and Broadway is going too far, but Hollywood makes perfect sense as a great wonder.

Right now, even as America is detested in so many corners of the world those same people clamor for our entertainment products. Hollywood as a wonder is one of the few things that Call to Power got right, so I say Civ has every right to steal it.
 
troytheface said:
Hollywood is a great Wonder to have. Lighting the night- illuminating a bare screen with glowing colors ,movement and characters and story-
Old Wonders like the Pyramids- built with slave labor- just sit there in a big stupid bulk-
serving the vanity of a "pharoah" so dillusional they thought themselves "divine" and actually had people believe it. Glad i am an american. We never had that idea of royality that other nations seem to still like. :scan:

Plenty of stars in the Hollywood system think themselves divine. :)

I think Hollywood has a place in the game without doubt, but I'll be reducing its power. I kind of agree that a cultural penalty ought to be considered.

Give me the development of rock n' roll over Hollywood any time.
 
BlueStar said:
How do I know? Well, if you put it that way-I'm going to make them do it-that's what families are for.

You can raise children - but you can not deside what music they will listen to when they are teenagers ;) and you can even less decide what music your grandchildren will like .... ;)

BlueStar said:
Besides Niel Young said rock and roll would never die. Niel don't lie. :cool:

And he is owner of a crystallball ... ? :lol:

BlueStar said:
Actually there's quite abit of music and art etc. from the 1500's thats still around and older stuff too.

yes of course - but the influence is declining. Rock 'n Roll is not the invention of music, it's just another style and styles are changing when time is passing ...- and an other point is this - have you ever seen the docu " the dark age" ? . Its about what will be left from our age in the future. Many ( or most ) information ( and music too ) is stored on cd and dvds and harddisk and so on but who can read them in hundreds of years from now ?

And the other ting ( back to Civ ) that are simply to much wonders of the same type + the modern age is overrated with "wonders" Im miss for example a wonder which marks the end of the Medieval Era which is much more importen for history than broadway musicals for example ...

BlueStar said:
As for no slaves on the e pyramid job somehow

Redding's faunal evidence dealt a serious blow to the Hollywood version of pyramid building, with Charlton Heston as Moses intoning, "Pharaoh, let my people go!" There were slaves in Egypt, says Lehner, but the discovery that pyramid workers were fed like royalty buttresses other evidence that they were not slaves at all, at least in the modern sense of the word. Harvard's George Reisner found workers' graffiti early in the twentieth century that revealed that the pyramid builders were organized into labor units with names like "Friends of Khufu" or "Drunkards of Menkaure." Within these units were five divisions (their roles still unknown)—the same groupings, according to papyrus scrolls of a later period, that served in the pyramid temples. We do know, Lehner says, that service in these temples was rendered by a special class of people on a rotating basis determined by those five divisions. Many Egyptologists therefore subscribe to the hypothesis that the pyramids were also built by a rotating labor force in a modular, team-based kind of organization.

If not slaves, then who were these workers? Lehner's friend Zahi Hawass, secretary general of the Supreme Council of Antiquities, who has been excavating a "workers' cemetery" just above Lehner's city on the plateau, sees forensic evidence in the remains of those buried there that pyramid building was hazardous business. Why would anyone choose to perform such hard labor? The answer, says Lehner, lies in understanding obligatory labor in the premodern world. "People were not atomized, separate, individuals with the political and economic freedom that we take for granted. Obligatory labor ranges from slavery all the way to, say, the Amish, where you have elders and a strong sense of community obligations, and a barn raising is a religious event and a feasting event. If you are a young man in a traditional setting like that, you may not have a choice." Plug that into the pyramid context, says Lehner, "and you have to say, 'This is a hell of a barn!'"

Lehner currently thinks Egyptian society was organized somewhat like a feudal system, in which almost everyone owed service to a lord. The Egyptians called this "bak." Everybody owed bak of some kind to people above them in the social hierarchy. "But it doesn't really work as a word for slavery," he says. "Even the highest officials owed bak."

http://www.harvard-magazine.com/on-line/070391.html

In an other source a also read that where maybe volunteers. The religon made them believe they will save their life after death this way ...
 
the three are perfectly good. they will result in a few modern luxuries, not only a single one.
But what I'd like to have additionally is an ancient counterpart producing 'plays' or/and another one producing 'epics'.

But we cannot have everything... ;)

mitsho
 
troytheface said:
Hollywood is a great Wonder to have. Lighting the night- illuminating a bare screen with glowing colors ,movement and characters and story-
Old Wonders like the Pyramids- built with slave labor- just sit there in a big stupid bulk-
serving the vanity of a "pharoah" so dillusional they thought themselves "divine" and actually had people believe it. Glad i am an american. We never had that idea of royality that other nations seem to still like. :scan:


lol some of the founding fathers wanted a king and ofered it to good ol' GW.
 
MRM-of course your right-but in my case my son wound up liking my music-he came to it on his own -I just played it-but for sure his children will be exposed to it-so theres a chance-and if its a family tradition-who knows- :confused: thanks for the info on the pyramid building-of course eventually the past is as unknown as the future-it's all speculation- :cool:
 
Oh and as for Niel Young-no it isn't a crystal ball he has-it"s something else-
 
Hollywood was a wonder in CtP too... I don't remember there being the same (any?) emphasis in that game, but I think Hollywood had a big economic impact like it looks like it will in Civ IV. There was a city improvement called Television that you could build that would help make your citizens happy. But the nation that built Hollywood got to siphon off cash from each foreign city that had TV. The Civ IV implementation is actually not too far off from this, since movies are now a resource to be sold...

I agree that Broadway is a pretty lame wonder though. I like Rock and Roll. I wonder what the wonder movie for that will be! I have my fingers crossed for a KISS video ;), although I'd almost bet that they might throw in the Beatles on Ed Sullivan.
 
I think that's awsome, Hollywood is an incredible cultural force that could certainly be considered to have upped America's theoretical "culture rating." People all over the world watch exported American movies.

I also love the Rock n Roll great wonder. I also like how Al Gore is the icon for the internet great wonder, but they may change that...
 
Because Sid Meier is an american, and he is part of a giant plot to destroy national identities in the whole world and make everyone worship the same idiot american movies and culture, bwhahhaha :satan:.

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Meh. Since the game stretches into the modern age, it needs "wonders" from that age. We have yet to see whether these "wonders" will actually be remembered in 500 years, but what can you do?

Would have been nice to get a bit more variety of cultures though. I think it's arguable that all the modern wonders are American (possible exception of the Eiffel Tower? Not sure when it was built). To mitigate against this one could have included the West End (English, instead of Broadway), Bletchley Park (English, instead of the Pentagon) - sorry to be English-centric but I'm afraid I am *that* uneducated. I'm sure other countries also have wonders to offer the modern age!
 
Well, there is Scotland Yard and Kremlin, so can't say the wonders are only American.

The fact is, America dominates the modern day culturally and economically, and the modern great wonders should reflect it, the same way ancient wonders reflect dominance of Egypt or Greece, rather than, say, Sudanese or Teutonic tribes.

Hollywood is undoubtedly a great wonder - it is one of the greatest forces of cultural dominance of America (along with McDonald's and Coca Cola) in the world - ordinary people watch movies made in Hollywood across the globe, want to live like Americans in Hollywood movies, and have their vision of history and reality shaped by these movies. The fact that this vision is not really true for a large part only shows how powerful medium it is. Plus everybody has heard about Mickey Mouse and Walt Disney.
 
Sorry, I should have said "great wonders" - Scotland Yard is a small wonder. As for the Kremlin, is it a modern wonder? <googles>

...

The currently standing bits of the Kremlin appear to have been built between the 15th and 19th centuries (not entirely straightforward, being one of those buildings built and rebuilt and extended over time). So not modern.

(NB, I did in fact get this stuff from Wikipedia - so prepared to be contradicted by superior sources)

But anyway, point taken about the dominance of America. It's not so much that this is inaccurate as that variety makes the game more enjoyable.
 
I guess they juz needed a Modern day wonder, besides if i recall correctly, Holiwood or some sort sounds familiar. Wasnt it already used in Civ1 or 2 as a wonder?

I think it improved hapiness.

As for Civ4, they needed a wonder to fill the modern or industrial era and rather then going with the cure for cancer and that kinda stuff they went for one of the most culturaly dominant complexes in the last century.

Altough modern day it still produces movies and such, its not as "glorious" as it once was.

But i guess thats juz like the Chinese wall, its like...long. But now a days we got larger buildings then that. But looking at its own days it was a truely awesome structure. Just as a sort of example.
 
Looking at what Hollywood churns out, I'd say that it should DECREASE your culture, rather than increase it.

- Yeah. I totally agree.

- Broadway musicals - My GOD, that is the most stupid "wonder" one can come up with.

- Why they dont add McDonalds - a Wonder that improves your citizens health.
 
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