MyopicCat
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Today I watched a multiplayer game that took place about two months ago starring NQ-Furo, Twinsen, Yoruus and a few others. The game was very well played for about 180 turns but then ended disgracefully (in my opinion). The match was recorded by both NQ-Furo and Yoruus. In this particular game I recommend Furo's version, but here are both perspectives:
http://www.twitch.tv/furo_flo/c/3496130 [jump to 25:50 (!) for the start of the game]
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgYopQWwsyjFbPmyQXHxgPE3u8t8T-BOD
For the record, let me say that I greatly admire all three players above. I have learned a *lot* from their gameplay and have been much entertained by the many videos posted by NQ-Furo and Yoruus.
Here's what went down in this game:
MILDER SPOILERS CONTINUE BELOW (and probably throughout the rest of this thread)!
Based on what happened in this game, I'd like to propose the following Civ MP analogy to Godwin's law (automatic loss of a debate if you bring up the Nazis), which I call the Godless Win:
http://www.twitch.tv/furo_flo/c/3496130 [jump to 25:50 (!) for the start of the game]
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLgYopQWwsyjFbPmyQXHxgPE3u8t8T-BOD
For the record, let me say that I greatly admire all three players above. I have learned a *lot* from their gameplay and have been much entertained by the many videos posted by NQ-Furo and Yoruus.
Here's what went down in this game:
Spoiler :
Early in the game, Furo and Twinsen found their capitals just 7 tiles apart. They soon made a non-aggression pact for 130 turns that was later extended to turn 160. By that time, Twinsen had a slight lead, closely followed by NQ-Schumi16 and Furo. At this point I really enjoyed the mutual trust and respect between Furo and Twinsen. This was made quite clear by their early diplomacy as well as Furo's commentary (which is sparse as always, but nevertheless very instructive). Both players honorably proceeded to build peacefully until the pact expired, while wars were fought elsewhere. Right on schedule, Twinsen attacked. Furo defended well but soon lost a city. Both players were stuck in the trenches as Schumi bypassed them and took a clear lead.
Suddenly, on an initiative from Furo, they made peace and agreed to attack Schumi instead. Surprisingly, Furo then gave away most of his army (and some aluminum) to Twinsen, who could then easily make short work of poor Schumi with his double army. Remaining players agree the game is over and Furo claims GERMANY WINS in the chat (both Furo and Twinsen are German). This was perhaps tongue-in-cheek, but his commentary also suggested that he felt that he had part of the win.
Personally I am appalled by this ending. In my opinion, Furo and Twinsen could have dealt with the situation with decency by making the following exchange:
"OK, this is a stalemate. All we're doing is killing each other and giving Schumi the win. How about we make a temporary peace, go after Schumi together, and then start killing each other again once we've crippled him?"
"Fine, let's go!"
Then both players could have proceeded to use their own armies to attack Schumi, before going after each other. This would have been clever diplomacy and excellent MP gameplay. The ending as it actually happened has left me disillusioned and very disappointed in my idols Furo and Twinsen.
Suddenly, on an initiative from Furo, they made peace and agreed to attack Schumi instead. Surprisingly, Furo then gave away most of his army (and some aluminum) to Twinsen, who could then easily make short work of poor Schumi with his double army. Remaining players agree the game is over and Furo claims GERMANY WINS in the chat (both Furo and Twinsen are German). This was perhaps tongue-in-cheek, but his commentary also suggested that he felt that he had part of the win.
Personally I am appalled by this ending. In my opinion, Furo and Twinsen could have dealt with the situation with decency by making the following exchange:
"OK, this is a stalemate. All we're doing is killing each other and giving Schumi the win. How about we make a temporary peace, go after Schumi together, and then start killing each other again once we've crippled him?"
"Fine, let's go!"
Then both players could have proceeded to use their own armies to attack Schumi, before going after each other. This would have been clever diplomacy and excellent MP gameplay. The ending as it actually happened has left me disillusioned and very disappointed in my idols Furo and Twinsen.
MILDER SPOILERS CONTINUE BELOW (and probably throughout the rest of this thread)!
Based on what happened in this game, I'd like to propose the following Civ MP analogy to Godwin's law (automatic loss of a debate if you bring up the Nazis), which I call the Godless Win:
- Anyone who deliberately rolls over and gives away most of his units and/or cities just to deny someone else the win morally loses the game, as does the player who accepts these gifts.
- Players who make unbreakable 2 vs 1 pacts for no in-game reason whatsoever (because they happen to come from the same country or because they are friends IRL) morally lose the game.
- Any joint win is a joint loss. Free-for-all games should follow the Highlander rule: "There can be only one."