How does the city starve when working a lake tile and an amber tile? It should still have +1 growth, doesn't it?
How far are you willing to move your Initial Settler?
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I just scout
JamesNinelives
Emperor
At the moment I don't, but I have done that in the past.
It seems to change both civilians to both of the Hill tiles, resulting in starvation. Really really weird.
Melchizedek
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I've also seen cases where the governor chooses indisputably bad tiles. Like, with an atoll available it will work a forest.
Known bug and its being worked on.
On the original point, I'm a big believer in moving to improve your 0th-2nd tile or so. You end up losing turns of science especially (because that is mostly just palace), but you'll very quickly catch up a few turns in other yields if your city + first tile is even something like (3f1p + 3f) vs. (2f1p1g + 2f1p).
I guess I should probably be more reluctant to move in situations where you're science hungry, like if the local lux is 2nd tier or away from your civ's preferred early techs.
I guess I should probably be more reluctant to move in situations where you're science hungry, like if the local lux is 2nd tier or away from your civ's preferred early techs.
I would've maybe settled on the coastal plains East and NE. Four decent adjacent tiles and about as protected a harbor as you're gonna get, still in reach of the three visible luxes. (Elephants in 2nd ring also is much more manageable than 3rd)
Of course, what I actually do is move East to the Forest. Then next turn I continue scouting warrior SW and E and Scout E and probably E again. If I see a natural wonder or something similarly outrageous I probably change my settling plan.
Of course, what I actually do is move East to the Forest. Then next turn I continue scouting warrior SW and E and Scout E and probably E again. If I see a natural wonder or something similarly outrageous I probably change my settling plan.
I've been looking for like 10 minutes and I'm still not sure what to do. Props for finding this start, its a great one to discuss. As Portugal, coast is appealing, so is desert because of Petra. You probably want to research trade quickly, thus not connecting amber immediately.
I would take a greedy settle on the plains river tile two tiles away. I'm thinking progress, not tradition. Either skip religion or try to make god of Commerce work.
The safe one is to settle the flat coastal amber. Your city starts with 2 food, 2 production, 2 gold, research pottery and hope to find fish. Settling on the ivory is pretty good too. Free luxury connection, two forests in immediate radius.
I think your choice only makes sense if you really, really want tradition.
I think there is actually a river there hard to see, it would be 3f2p1g. It's probably my second choice of settle, but the river plains tempting Petra is hard to overcome, and the harbor isn't as well defended by the amber either.
Pretty strong production start if you do the Amber though, probably you go Pyramids. (With Portugal on Deity with this dirt I think Stonehenge might be too risky a found. On Immortal Stonehenge starts to become more of an option.)
My guess would be that trapping or fishing would reveal deer/fish and food would no longer be a problem, and until you reveal them you can work the 2f1p forest. So I'd probably settle in place, or settle the flat Amber (though if that really is a river between the starting location and flat Amber then I'd favor settling in place so as not to lose a turn).
Melchizedek
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I think either settle in place and expect fish to show up or the plains river tile next to desert are viable. That tile only costs 1 turn to reach and keeps most of the workable tiles where resources might appear, and gives you a shot at Petra if you want to go that way.
JamesNinelives
Emperor
I'd settle where you are tbh, and go tradition and Stonehenge. Depends on your settings though of course!
It's not strictly worse, it does have some disadvantages.
- You do lose a turn crossing the river
- You lose immediate access to the 2 food 1 hammer forest
- You have fewer river farms in range of your capital
- You are farther from the ivory luxury
- You lose a quarry if you want that pantheon.
IMO it is overall worse than settling on the amber though.
